Male student gang raped by muslim youth

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Originally Posted by tragicomedy

Are you asking about the series of gangrape/child trafficking crimes in Britain? You can read the links and any police reports on the subject I can provide if you are really interested. If you don't want to wait, you can scan through the articles and blog excerpt I posted before.


Law enforcement and child services have already acknowledged that the large groups of men were targeting the White population. It's no secret.

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Of course I know about those cases and they are appalling. What's also the fact, but less reported by the right-wing tabloids, is that there are plenty of white gangs and individuals who carry out the same dreadful crimes. They choose not to report them because it doesn't sell papers. Nothing sells papers better than hate and fear.

One thing I do accept though, which is that in the Rochdale case the police were uncertain how hard to pursue the investigations in part because of the ethnicity of the men involved. That was an unforgiveable misjudgement.

However, the much bigger fault of the police was that they chose not to believe the evidence of the girls who had been trafficked and abused and returned them to their life of hell.

And I also acknowledge that we are a long way from dealing successfully with forced marriages and honour killings in the Pakistani and other muslim communities.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Of course I know about those cases and they are appalling. What's also the fact, but less reported by the right-wing tabloids, is that there are plenty of white gangs and individuals who carry out the same dreadful crimes. They choose not to report them because it doesn't sell papers. Nothing sells papers better than hate and fear.

One thing I do accept though, which is that in the Rochdale case the police were uncertain how hard to pursue the investigations in part because of the ethnicity of the men involved. That was an unforgiveable misjudgement.

However, the much bigger fault of the police was that they chose not to believe the evidence of the girls who had been trafficked and abused and returned them to their life of hell.

And I also acknowledge that we are a long way from dealing successfully with forced marriages and honour killings in the Pakistani and other muslim communities.

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Actually, there are not plenty of White gangs doing that, in fact it's not all that common among non-Muslim "Asian" men either.


Sikh and Hindu men have long complained that their vulnerable children are also being targeted by these gangs, though not as much as White children are.


Here's an excerpt that I'll add. Even adding in the end comment where he discounts the ethno-religious nature of victim selection in favor of a profit motive.

In 18 child sexual exploitation trials since 1997 – in Derby, Leeds, Blackpool, Blackburn, Rotherham, Sheffield, Rochdale, Oldham and Birmingham – relating to the on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16 by two or more men, most of those convicted were of Pakistani heritage.

Sentencing the Rochdale gang yesterday, Judge Gerald Clifton appeared to give credence to the idea that cultural issues were involved. "All of you treated [the victims] as though they were worthless and beyond respect," he told the men. "One of the factors leading to that was the fact that they were not part of your community or religion."

But the judge also made it clear that such an interpretation should not have too much weight placed upon it.


"Some of you, when arrested, said it was triggered by race. That is nonsense. What triggered this prosecution was your lust and greed."


It's important that I emphasize this is something that the "Asian" Muslim community can change itself. In fact, there have been several people from that community who have spoken out and criticized multiculturalists for trying to hide or quiet open discussion of the phenomenon.

They deserve a lot of credit for their courage and honesty.

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I'm not part of the Groups that pushed to keep that documentary off the air.
--Neither am I

I'm not one of the people that made a climate of multiculturalism and political correctness SO dangerous for people who don't tow the line that POLICE OFFICERS and CPS officials would rather keep quiet rather than speak out about a terrible series of crimes with a long and wide-ranging history.
--Neither am I

As for Immigration.... I am an immigrant. What else can you be wrong about Stavros?
--And how many people with an immigrant heritage over the years supported Oswald Mosley's Fascists, the National Front, the British Movement, the BNP, UKIP and the English Defence League? Do you really think if the solutions you refuse to discuss were to be put into practice, your being of say Polish or Greek Cyrpriot heritage would let you off the hook? If you are in the UK -or mroe precisely, England- and not related to Boudicaa or Hereward the Wake, I think you are in line for the banana boat.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

One thing I do accept though, which is that in the Rochdale case the police were uncertain how hard to pursue the investigations in part because of the ethnicity of the men involved. That was an unforgiveable misjudgement.

However, the much bigger fault of the police was that they chose not to believe the evidence of the girls who had been trafficked and abused and returned them to their life of hell.

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Robert the initial decision not to prosecute in 2008 was taken by the Crown Prosecution Service not the police, who wanted it. The simple fact is that for too long it was the victims who were not taken seriously. The girls were let down by social services but also by the need that the criminal justice system has for 'credible witnesses' and evidence that will lead to convictions. Sometimes it is the technical demands of the law that denies victims their right to justice, rather than policemen being 'terrified' of the Guardianistas...

Tragicomedy displays a long established truth. That the best form of defence is attack.

So in the interests of discussing this properly I'd like to ask him to tell us all what his answers are to the issue at hand - if we accept for the sake of his argument his assertion that Western values are under attack by Muslim immigrants? Come on Tragicomedy. I would seriously like to see you set out an agenda that would solve the problem as you see it.

co existence...

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Originally Posted by Stavros

Robert the initial decision not to prosecute in 2008 was taken by the Crown Prosecution Service not the police, who wanted it. The simple fact is that for too long it was the victims who were not taken seriously. The girls were let down by social services but also by the need that the criminal justice system has for 'credible witnesses' and evidence that will lead to convictions. Sometimes it is the technical demands of the law that denies victims their right to justice, rather than policemen being 'terrified' of the Guardianistas...

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2008? What about the incidents prior to that in other citied or the decision by police to back a call to removea documentary that highlighted street grooming, among other social ills? Thst was well before 2008.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Tragicomedy displays a long established truth. That the best form of defence is attack.

So in the interests of discussing this properly I'd like to ask him to tell us all what his answers are to the issue at hand - if we accept for the sake of his argument his assertion that Western values are under attack by Muslim immigrants? Come on Tragicomedy. I would seriously like to see you set out an agenda that would solve the problem as you see it.

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The solution, for brevity's sake is a broad acknowledgement by community and faithleaders that the phenomenon exists in Muslim majority nations and the West. Followed by a teaching programme in schools and mosquesthat denounces Muslim supremacist behavior in both now and in the past.

Have you seen the documentary Tragicmedy? I have watched the link you posted - or rather listened - and it sounds like a very badly made piece of work. Very sensationalist.

Have you ever been to a Muslim majority nation?

And where to you immigrate to the US from?

Just this year I spent a wonderful fortnight touring Morocco. I hit many (but alas not all) of the major cities: Casablanca (over 3 million people), Rabat, Fes and Marrakesh; also smaller but beautiful Meknes, Ouarzazat and Essaouira. I visited casbahs and villages on the coast, the agricultural valleys, the Atlas mountains and bordering dunes of the Sahara. The people are fascinating, friendly and engaging. I was an American woman, touring the country with friends. So of course entrepreneurs everywhere wanted to sell us their wares, but also people with no profit motive would attempt to engage us in conversation and invite us to share a cup of mint tea. I never felt afraid to go out, night or day, alone or accompanied, in the city or in the country.

The government is a parliamentarian monarchy (led by King Mohammed VI and the parliament led by Abdelilah Benkirane). Driving through the countryside one can easy see the vast irrigation projects and wells that are greening the valleys. In the rural areas public housing is available, free for any citizen who wishes to settle, work in the village, or farm the surrounding country. Many of the Berber people are finding the non-nomadic life tempting, whereas those who remain nomadic shepherds make free use the many public wells. It is not unusual to see their tents pitched by a well, and goats, sheep and donkeys grazing nearby. Each village has a public school where children (girls and boys from ages six to thirteen by law) learn the usual academic subjects: reading, writing and arithmetic.

The largest and tallest Mosque in Morocco (Grand Mosque Hassan II) is the 7th tallest in the world. It is a modern architectural feat with a roof that slides open (in suitable weather) to the sky. A convertible mosque! Though tourists (male and female) are allowed to visit and enter the mosque (neither I nor many other women tourists wore headscarves) worshipers are segregated by gender: woman in a large wooden balcony and men on the marble floor below. Islam, like Christianity, is a cultural reef of living coral built on ancient calcified remains. It’s beautiful, and it’s dangerous. Christians in the U.S. have been known to murder obstetricians for making legal abortions available to women who made the difficult choice to have them. Christian priests, frustrated by their ancient vows of celibacy, have been known to rape children. Muslim men and women too, are subject the ills of religious ignorance. But none of this was evident in my trip to Morocco. Its cities, towns and people (except for their exquisite and unique beauty) were just like cities, towns and people everywhere.