Was the landing on the moon a fake?

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Re multiple explosions at WTC: COULD have been caused by severed elevator cables sending the car plunging to the bottom of the shaft with tremendous impact along with burning jet fuel. I shudder to think of the unfortunates aboard if this were the case.

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No.

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On what evidence, pray?

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Originally Posted by thx1138

Re multiple explosions at WTC: COULD have been caused by severed elevator cables sending the car plunging to the bottom of the shaft with tremendous impact along with burning jet fuel. I shudder to think of the unfortunates aboard if this were the case.

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Yes, it could, but that's not necessarily the cause. A lot of things can cause explosions in the heart of an extreme fire, including:

Dust explosions-- airborne dust in a space, if at the right ratio to the present oxygen, and suddenly heated, can explode violently. This is a major hazard in mining operations.

Flash explosions-- a combustible material-- office desks, even-- is heated in an absence of oxygen, say in a closed room. As soon as oxygen is allowed in, by a window breaking or a door burning through, the combustible ignites explosively. This is a major hazard for firemen.

Pressure explosions-- gas within a container increases pressure with heat according to Boyle's law; eventually the container can rupture. If the contents are compressed to liquid and the temp raised above their atmospheric boiling point, you get a boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion or BLEVE. This is bad enough, but if the contents are fuel, it's MUCH worse. The fuel does not necessarily have to be a specific fuel like propane, as anyone who has ignored the warning and thrown a can of car paint on a bonfire "just to see" will assure you. BLEVEs have been responsible for many catastrophic explosions, and in a situation such as we are discussing, even cans of spray-glue can explode, quite literally, like hand-grenades.

If you spend time talking to firemen, you will quickly learn that explosions are commonplace in fires.

The GIF shows what happens when you blow just 2 litres of propane at atmospheric pressure; the same from a pressure container would be a catastrophic explosion.

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Originally Posted by MacShreach

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Re multiple explosions at WTC: COULD have been caused by severed elevator cables sending the car plunging to the bottom of the shaft with tremendous impact along with burning jet fuel. I shudder to think of the unfortunates aboard if this were the case.

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Quote numerous refutations of hack conspiratorial rubbish...

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Dear MacShreach:

Thank you for science.


In a very serious tone, a kid I grew up with died in the WTC. Bollocks if he was murdered by the gub'ment. No government anywhere on earth is coordinated enough to exact this kind of Diabolical Master Plan. Governments are huge clunky things that can't even hammer out the tax code properly, for fuck's sake.

You know, some years back, a gas station exploded a few blocks from where I was living. There wasn't one explosion, there were half a dozen. Nobody was up in arms about the conspiracy to explode the fucking Marathon station.

What is the element, psychologically, that makes individuals look for bogey men that aren't there? Is there a subconscious need to have an (nameless) enemy in one's life, or is it rather since Watergate or the Warren Commission or what have you, that conspiracies are the only things that reconcile the fact that reality, while mostly too boring for conspiracies, is an horrific thing in its own nature? Is the real world too messed up to live in reality? Is manufacturing "evil" the only thing that guides a moral compass?

Whatever the answer, one thing's for sure: some fucking people just need to switch to decaf.

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Dear MacShreach:

Thank you for science.


In a very serious tone, a kid I grew up with died in the WTC. Bollocks if he was murdered by the gub'ment. No government anywhere on earth is coordinated enough to exact this kind of Diabolical Master Plan. Governments are huge clunky things that can't even hammer out the tax code properly, for fuck's sake.

You know, some years back, a gas station exploded a few blocks from where I was living. There wasn't one explosion, there were half a dozen. Nobody was up in arms about the conspiracy to explode the fucking Marathon station.

What is the element, psychologically, that makes individuals look for bogey men that aren't there? Is there a subconscious need to have an (nameless) enemy in one's life, or is it rather since Watergate or the Warren Commission or what have you, that conspiracies are the only things that reconcile the fact that reality, while mostly too boring for conspiracies, is an horrific thing in its own nature? Is the real world too messed up to live in reality? Is manufacturing "evil" the only thing that guides a moral compass?

Whatever the answer, one thing's for sure: some fucking people just need to switch to decaf.

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Thank you for the support.

As to why people are predisposed to believe in conspiracy theories, I think Phobun had it a while back-- maybe some people just need that "something else." Maybe they need some force outside themselves either to have faith in or believe is out to get them. Maybe thinking through and understanding the rational explanation is too tough, or too dull, or too much hard work, and they'd rather somebody just said "It was god/the gummint/wee green men/fairies at the bottom of the garden," and saved them the trouble of thinking.

To paraphrase some ancient saying I can only half-remember, let science be your rod and guiding light. Knowledge is all we have--not faith, whether in wee green men, government plots or old guys with beards on clouds.

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NO? You mean the explosions were NOT caused by falling elevators? I'd like to hear your reasoning.

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Anything you say. What a joke.

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Originally Posted by thx1138

Re multiple explosions at WTC: COULD have been caused by severed elevator cables sending the car plunging to the bottom of the shaft with tremendous impact along with burning jet fuel. I shudder to think of the unfortunates aboard if this were the case.

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Quote numerous refutations of hack conspiratorial rubbish...

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Dear MacShreach:

Thank you for science.


In a very serious tone, a kid I grew up with died in the WTC. Bollocks if he was murdered by the gub'ment. No government anywhere on earth is coordinated enough to exact this kind of Diabolical Master Plan. Governments are huge clunky things that can't even hammer out the tax code properly, for fuck's sake.

You know, some years back, a gas station exploded a few blocks from where I was living. There wasn't one explosion, there were half a dozen. Nobody was up in arms about the conspiracy to explode the fucking Marathon station.

What is the element, psychologically, that makes individuals look for bogey men that aren't there? Is there a subconscious need to have an (nameless) enemy in one's life, or is it rather since Watergate or the Warren Commission or what have you, that conspiracies are the only things that reconcile the fact that reality, while mostly too boring for conspiracies, is an horrific thing in its own nature? Is the real world too messed up to live in reality? Is manufacturing "evil" the only thing that guides a moral compass?

Whatever the answer, one thing's for sure: some fucking people just need to switch to decaf.

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Maybe it just comes from all those conspiracy movies and such?

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Originally Posted by thx1138

Re multiple explosions at WTC: COULD have been caused by severed elevator cables sending the car plunging to the bottom of the shaft with tremendous impact along with burning jet fuel. I shudder to think of the unfortunates aboard if this were the case.

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Quote numerous refutations of hack conspiratorial rubbish...

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Dear MacShreach:

Thank you for science.


In a very serious tone, a kid I grew up with died in the WTC. Bollocks if he was murdered by the gub'ment. No government anywhere on earth is coordinated enough to exact this kind of Diabolical Master Plan. Governments are huge clunky things that can't even hammer out the tax code properly, for fuck's sake.

You know, some years back, a gas station exploded a few blocks from where I was living. There wasn't one explosion, there were half a dozen. Nobody was up in arms about the conspiracy to explode the fucking Marathon station.

What is the element, psychologically, that makes individuals look for bogey men that aren't there? Is there a subconscious need to have an (nameless) enemy in one's life, or is it rather since Watergate or the Warren Commission or what have you, that conspiracies are the only things that reconcile the fact that reality, while mostly too boring for conspiracies, is an horrific thing in its own nature? Is the real world too messed up to live in reality? Is manufacturing "evil" the only thing that guides a moral compass?

Whatever the answer, one thing's for sure: some fucking people just need to switch to decaf.

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Maybe it just comes from all those conspiracy movies and such?

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Again, more opinion but no substance. Ha Ha Ha! What a joke......fucking retards.

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Originally Posted by Helvis2012

Again, more opinion but no substance. Ha Ha Ha! What a joke......fucking retards.

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Every bit as substantive as name-calling, I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Helvis2012

Again, more opinion but no substance.

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So enlighten us, nitwit. Make your case.

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Dear MacShreach:

Thank you for science.


In a very serious tone, a kid I grew up with died in the WTC. Bollocks if he was murdered by the gub'ment. No government anywhere on earth is coordinated enough to exact this kind of Diabolical Master Plan. Governments are huge clunky things that can't even hammer out the tax code properly, for fuck's sake.

You know, some years back, a gas station exploded a few blocks from where I was living. There wasn't one explosion, there were half a dozen. Nobody was up in arms about the conspiracy to explode the fucking Marathon station.

What is the element, psychologically, that makes individuals look for bogey men that aren't there? Is there a subconscious need to have an (nameless) enemy in one's life, or is it rather since Watergate or the Warren Commission or what have you, that conspiracies are the only things that reconcile the fact that reality, while mostly too boring for conspiracies, is an horrific thing in its own nature? Is the real world too messed up to live in reality? Is manufacturing "evil" the only thing that guides a moral compass?

Whatever the answer, one thing's for sure: some fucking people just need to switch to decaf.

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Thank you for the support.

As to why people are predisposed to believe in conspiracy theories, I think Phobun had it a while back-- maybe some people just need that "something else." Maybe they need some force outside themselves either to have faith in or believe is out to get them. Maybe thinking through and understanding the rational explanation is too tough, or too dull, or too much hard work, and they'd rather somebody just said "It was god/the gummint/wee green men/fairies at the bottom of the garden," and saved them the trouble of thinking.

To paraphrase some ancient saying I can only half-remember, let science be your rod and guiding light. Knowledge is all we have--not faith, whether in wee green men, government plots or old guys with beards on clouds.

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Take a look at pages 12-15 of the following book, Mac.
http://aphrohead.com/Product.aspx?pid=13844077

If you Google the keywords, Paranoid + Insight, you'll get more examples. There is a well recognised problem with mental processing in people with paranoia. Take our little friend, thx1138. On the "swine flu" thread he drop hints about it being bio-engineered in some Fort which I can't remember the name of. He then posts a link(s) saying that the outbreak has been greatly exaggerated so far. So which is it, the doom of mankind or a damp firework? He just can't seem to connect the dots for some reason. There's no need to invoke spirituality when simple flawed thinking explains things. Of course, some may say that spirituality is a cognitive problem. ;)

Paranoia is much more common than most people think. This may explain why so many get carried along with the conspiracy theorists.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5126208.stm
http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/apps/parano...s/default.aspx