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kelly don't call me mr s anymore please. those statistics have nothing to do with what i'm talking about. i never told anyone to change their peculiar beliefs. i'm just saying its your point of view not fact.

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Originally Posted by SmashysmashY

kelly don't call me mr s anymore please. those statistics have nothing to do with what i'm talking about. i never told anyone to change their peculiar beliefs. i'm just saying its your point of view not fact.

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It is facts. You just see it as a girl/guy getting on hormones and getting surgeries BECAUSE THEY DECIDE to do it. YOU SEE IT AS A DECISION.

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kelly don't call me mr s anymore please. those statistics have nothing to do with what i'm talking about. i never told anyone to change their peculiar beliefs. i'm just saying its your point of view not fact.

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its also fact that not every fag in drag is a woman or wants to be a woman... and it shouldnt be assumed so either

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Originally Posted by lust4ts

Every human emotion is subjective, that is weak argument. It's like saying that standing in the middle of a busy motorway is not really a bad idea because it is subjective, most people see it as a bad idea but because someone views it differently it can't actually be a bad idea, well the fact is, it is a bad idea! Anyone with sense can see that, just as anyone with sense can see that being attracted to a cross dresser is gay, and being attracted to Transwomen is not!

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Dude, I'm not trying to fight with you, but I think you are seriously on thin ice with this one.

You come up with all these definitions and notions based only on how YOU think they SHOULD be. That does not make it a fact, no matter how much you wish it to be. The FACT is, most people would catagorize you as a homosexual (gay) if you are attracted to a penis, or fantasize about having a penis in your mouth or up your ass. I'm not going to call you a faggot, but please allow others the same respect for THEIR self identity.


Here is something I found that I found interesting:



The sexual spectrum. Sexuality is not confined to just three little categories of homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual. The "Kinsey Scale," developed by Alfred Kinsey, has been used by sex researchers since the 1950s. The scale ranges from 0 to 6, with a person who is 100% heterosexual being 0 to a person who is 100% homosexual being 6. The original scale took into account only actual physical contact with partners — but updated versions include fantasy, love, and self-identification. This scale is necessary for scientific research, but even a 7-point scale seems a bit too rigid and defined to apply to an individual's complex personal life. (Reinisch, Kinsey Institute New Report on Sex, 1990.)

Even the professionals realize that not everything is Black & White, like you want it to be.

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I just had a conversation with a beautiful, smart, young and bright TS, and she agrees with me too.

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Oh well.... then I guess that CERTAINLY proves you right.


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I'm not trying to fight with you either, I have no problem with society viewing me as gay, they can think what they like, I know that I am attracted to real people and not an image that is falsified by a wig and makeup.

Even you can define the difference, right? Can you not see what is staring you in the face. The blond girl with the nice hair and pretty lips does not exist, it is simply a guy who is pretending to be that, and only for a certain amount of time in the day. So that is why I see it as being gay.

A transwomen who lives and commits to being a female is a real person, and as much as the outside world wants to look at me as being gay for being attracted to them I do not feel it in the slightest.

Look it comes down to this, I believe and base all my respect in this, that a transwomen can truly become a women. I don't believe that a part time crossdresser can ever truly become a women if that is the way he chooses to live his life.

Take Peggy Gee for example, a true lady and women, how is having sex with her in any way the same as having sex with that cross dresser in the video, despite what the dictionary says, anyone can see they are a world apart :roll:

Okay going back to my original opinion maybe I should of worded it better!

If you do not have the need to be the oppisite sex than what you were born, than you are to ME a CROSSDRESSER

Thus making the guy sleeping with someone that does not identify as a woman, and does it for the feel of panties, sexual purposes, fun, and/or for the glamour of it. MAKES THAT GUY GAY

I have no issue or making fun of it...JUST STATING A FACT!!

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kelly don't call me mr s anymore please. those statistics have nothing to do with what i'm talking about. i never told anyone to change their peculiar beliefs. i'm just saying its your point of view not fact.

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It is facts. You just see it as a girl/guy getting on hormones and getting surgeries BECAUSE THEY DECIDE to do it. YOU SEE IT AS A DECISION.

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how do you know what i see it as? i never said any of that. i said that somebody being transgendered is based on their feelings and feelings aren't facts. and if you want to say who's gay or not based on that then it becomes subjective. only the individual knows what they feel. and you don't what cross dressers feel and if you did you couldn't compare it to what somebody else feels.

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kelly don't call me mr s anymore please. those statistics have nothing to do with what i'm talking about. i never told anyone to change their peculiar beliefs. i'm just saying its your point of view not fact.

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It is facts. You just see it as a girl/guy getting on hormones and getting surgeries BECAUSE THEY DECIDE to do it. YOU SEE IT AS A DECISION.

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how do you know what i see it as? i never said any of that. i said that somebody being transgendered is based on their feelings and feelings aren't facts. and if you want to say who's gay or not based on that then it becomes subjective. only the individual knows what they feel. and you don't what cross dressers feel and if you did you couldn't compare it to what somebody else feels.

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just go put on a pair of panties already, and stop arguing we aren't judging you. Do what you got to do hon.

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kelly don't call me mr s anymore please. those statistics have nothing to do with what i'm talking about. i never told anyone to change their peculiar beliefs. i'm just saying its your point of view not fact.

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its also fact that not every fag in drag is a woman or wants to be a woman... and it shouldnt be assumed so either

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i never said that everyone that puts on ladies clothes wants to be a woman. i said that their wanting to be a woman is not my basis for saying who's gay.

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kelly don't call me mr s anymore please. those statistics have nothing to do with what i'm talking about. i never told anyone to change their peculiar beliefs. i'm just saying its your point of view not fact.

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It is facts. You just see it as a girl/guy getting on hormones and getting surgeries BECAUSE THEY DECIDE to do it. YOU SEE IT AS A DECISION.

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how do you know what i see it as? i never said any of that. i said that somebody being transgendered is based on their feelings and feelings aren't facts. and if you want to say who's gay or not based on that then it becomes subjective. only the individual knows what they feel. and you don't what cross dressers feel and if you did you couldn't compare it to what somebody else feels.

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just go put on a pair of panties already, and stop arguing we aren't judging you. Do what you got to do hon.

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this place is like a cult. if you don't accept everyone else's beliefs you are insulted and shunned.

no just when ure wrong :D