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09-01-2008
Felicia Katt

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

maybe you should study U.S. politics before you speak on it...Obama is one of the most far left Democrats in the country, and his wife might be even worse...He makes Nancy Pelosi look like Ronald Reagan!

Did you get a purple mustache drinking that Kool Aid on how liberal Obama is? :)
Its true that the conservative magazine, the National Journal ranked Obama in 2007 as the most liberal senator. They did the same for Kerry in 2004. But their methodology is highly suspect and deeply flawed. Previously Obama ranked 16th and 10th on National Journal's "most liberal" list. A separate and more elaborate ranking system, developed by highly regarded political scientists Jeff Lewis and Keith Poole, found him to be the 11th most liberal senator in 2007 and 21st most liberal in the previous Congress.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.ht...5-45114f3fff28
And according to the VoteView system, a more comprehensive and objective mathematical model that analyzes all roll call votes , Obama was tied for 10th most-progressive senator, while Clinton was tied for 19th.

As a Chicago Tribune columnist recently pointed out, the National Journal’s ranking system doesn’t make much sense to people who follow politics. “It’s hard to believe [Obama]’s really more liberal than Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Russ Feingold or Bernie Sanders,”

Obama is a liberal leaning centrist, but he is far from the most liberal senator. The National Journal rankings are skewed by the number of votes made vs missed. To give you an idea of how badly, since McCain missed so many votes, he is not even ranked at all by the same study. But if the study was accurate, it wouldn't be as useful to the Republicans—and therefore wouldn’t give National Journal as much free publicity and you wouldn't be citing to it indirectly but wrongly here.

FK
09-01-2008
Felicia Katt

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Originally Posted by vietboy

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Originally Posted by marissaazts

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Well, no thank you. I think I'll stay here and fight for more just laws and government sponsored health-care.

how about we all just take personal responsibility when it comes to our own care and not force others to pay for it

Some Americans want to be permanent wards of the state, get coddled and suck the government teat from cradle to grave. Some Americans have no ambition other than to stick their faces in the community trough and eat on someone else's dime.

Don't be so hard on McCain, its not his fault he has never ever been in the private sector, or left his disabled wife to dine very well on her billions of dimes LOL

FK
09-01-2008
Felicia Katt

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

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Originally Posted by Felicia Katt

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

maybe you should study U.S. politics before you speak on it...Obama is one of the most far left Democrats in the country, and his wife might be even worse...He makes Nancy Pelosi look like Ronald Reagan!

Did you get a purple mustache drinking that Kool Aid on how liberal Obama is? :)

did you miss Statistics 101 in college? you can make the stats say anything you want them to...so just because you claim those other studies are "more accurate" doesn't make them so...

how about instead of speaking of Obama's leanings, name some of the actual change he has been responsible for, other than the blanket statements and rhetoric that he and all of his supporters espouse...

can we get a man elected to the most important position in the world without knowing anything about him? YES, WE CAN!!!!

I took Statistics 101, but apparently the National Review didn't. They were the ones who did the flawed listings in 2004 and 2008 where the Most Liberal labels were manipulated and manufactured to fit the Democratic nominees. I am not the one "saying" the studies are flawed, political experts and political scientists are. Since their numbers correspond to what the NR's were BEFORE Obama became the nominee, their accuracy is not in question. If you can find a single source to call this into doubt, do so. Because without substantiation, your post was the kind of blanket statement and empty rhetoric you are now claiming to decry.

FK
09-01-2008
GinX

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

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Originally Posted by Felicia Katt

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

maybe you should study U.S. politics before you speak on it...Obama is one of the most far left Democrats in the country, and his wife might be even worse...He makes Nancy Pelosi look like Ronald Reagan!

Did you get a purple mustache drinking that Kool Aid on how liberal Obama is? :)

did you miss Statistics 101 in college? you can make the stats say anything you want them to...so just because you claim those other studies are "more accurate" doesn't make them so...

how about instead of speaking of Obama's leanings, name some of the actual change he has been responsible for, other than the blanket statements and rhetoric that he and all of his supporters espouse...

can we get a man elected to the most important position in the world without knowing anything about him? YES, WE CAN!!!!

When did the President of The U.S. become the most important position in the world?
09-01-2008
GinX

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

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Originally Posted by GinX

When did the President of The U.S. become the most important position in the world?

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are you serious? can you name one position of more power, influence, and importance?

Yeah...the guys that bankroll him into office and help him decide what his policies are going to be.
09-01-2008
Felicia Katt

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

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Originally Posted by Felicia Katt

Don't be so hard on McCain, its not his fault he has never ever been in the private sector, or left his disabled wife to dine very well on her billions of dimes LOL

FK

you sound real ignorant right now...he was stuck in the TORTURE SECTOR of North Vietnam for over 5 years, but you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?

Since he mentions it in every other sentence, how could anyone not know everything about that LOL But, unless he was getting a paycheck from Hanoi while he was a POW. the fact remains that McCain has never, ever done anything in the private sector. Since he was a child, until today, he has only suckled at the government teat, and the only reason he is so rich and privlieged now that he can forget how many homes he owns or what kinds of cars he drives is that he does adultery better than most.

McCain may want us to ignore all his failings, as apparently you do too, but being a POW is not a get out jail card for everything else in this election. McCain is risking the honor of his service and sacrifice by constantly playing that card, rather than addressing criticisms on their merits. And unless you were a POW too, why didn't you respond with some facts on his behalf?

FK
PS, as far as your off the wall, vaguely threatening question about my employment and taxes, its none of your business but I am legitimate. Are you? LOL
09-01-2008
GinX

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

umm, sure buddy...how about the Illuminati, the Majestic 12, His Highness the Omnipotent Krill, etc....

You know, I've noticed that most people who reply like that are mostly people who think that any time you question an elected official's power or influence, then you MUST be some conspiracy nut.

Did I say it was some inane conspiracy theory or dark, hidden agenda as you are trying to fallaciously make it appear that I did? Nope. You seem to think I am intimating that the office of the President is somehow part of some conspiratorial network out to rule the world behind the scenes.

I merely point out that the favor network has been a part of American politics-hell, politics in general-since it's inception. There is no conspiracy or hidden agenda behind it...it's business as usual. You think the President pays for his campaigns out of his own pocket and charitable donations? Don't be so naive. It's just a simple transaction...we'll put money into your campaign, but if you win the office, we want a favor back...simple as that. The guy who wants to be President needs those individuals or businesses more than they need him...it's a simple matter of dollars.

That's why I asked the initial question...yes, the President of the U.S. does hold a lot of influence and political power, but the only way to get there is to broker deals and make concessions, specifically from those people/businesses/organizations that you need monetary support from. This is Politics 101, buddy...you want something, you gotta give something.
09-01-2008
vietboy

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Originally Posted by trish

In the U.S. the practice of slavery was ended by the government…of the people by the people and for the people. The practice was maintained by those who didn’t believe government had any business telling people how they should run THEIR plantations.

This platitude proves nothing. Government still screwed up by calling blacks 1/3 of a person and enabling crimes against them. The union government did not even prosecute the war with the objective of ending slavery, and the opposing confederate government was nonetheless a government.

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It’s the Justice System (branch of the government…of the people by the people and for the people) that has been the main defender (until the recent neocon appointments) of minority rights in the U.S.

Don't fool yourself. Throughout US history, the American Justice System has committed many, many crimes against minorities.

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Bush put in charge of every government agency ideologues who basic premise is “government should not be in the business of doing what this agency does.” The shameful response to Katrina was the response of those who didn’t believe government should be in the business of responding to natural disasters.

Partisan finger-pointing does not restore faith in government.

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The banking business was deregulated. Now yes, we have an economic debacle.

It's always the opposing party's fault.

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People have been banding together and raiding the village downriver for as long as there have been people. Sad, but true. Ron Paul won’t change that. True, Ron Paul and Obama voted against the war in Iraq. McCain is all for it.

Giving money and power to the government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. But you are the one who trusts the government.

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There is also private waste of the commons and abuse of private power. We have absolutely no leverage (except through government) on those who wield private power for profit while despoiling our public resources.

How convenient not to acknowlege those who wield public power for profit while despoiling private lives. American governments have brutalized minorities for hundreds of years; I'm not about to assume anything better now.

For every weak attempt at rationalizing why government has screwed up, a new example could be quoted in defense of, or to impugn, government.

The reality is that government is necessary, but capable of great harm. I think there is great shame in partisan defenses of government errors, and great folly in placing faith in something that has hurt so many.

Even when government's goals are justice and beneficence, government's track record requires that any government's actions be judged with suspicion.
09-01-2008
peggygee

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Originally Posted by braveman

Ah, Peggy. You are a breath of fresh air. Always, the voice of reason and civility. Thanks for posting the chart.

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Originally Posted by peggygee

No matter what side of the aisle you sit on, or who you plan to vote for,
I strongly encourage you to examine this chart which explains where your
tax dollars go.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2...3/taxes7x5.jpg

Click here for the enlarged version

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Originally Posted by hondarobot

Cool chart, Peggy. I'm surprised the military spends 1.39 billion on drones, not that I'm complaining, but that kind of money buys a lot of drones. What the hell are they doing with all of them (other then not finding Osama Bin Laden)? The way things are in Minneapolis right now, half of them are probably here. There certainly are more then enough helicopters and police prowling around at the moment.

:what

Thank you both. :wink:

Sorry, it took me so long to respond.

I was going line, by line, to check for government waste, like
President Obama says he will do.

I didn't see those welfare cheats the Republicans on the board
were talking about.

But I did see trillions of dollar$ going to defense.
09-01-2008
tubgirl

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Originally Posted by Felicia Katt

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Originally Posted by vietboy

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Originally Posted by marissaazts

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Well, no thank you. I think I'll stay here and fight for more just laws and government sponsored health-care.

how about we all just take personal responsibility when it comes to our own care and not force others to pay for it

Some Americans want to be permanent wards of the state, get coddled and suck the government teat from cradle to grave. Some Americans have no ambition other than to stick their faces in the community trough and eat on someone else's dime.

Don't be so hard on McCain, its not his fault he has never ever been in the private sector, or left his disabled wife to dine very well on her billions of dimes LOL

FK

what a horrible post....

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