My uncle played for Liverpool in the 60s. Small world.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Piper
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My uncle played for Liverpool in the 60s. Small world.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Piper
Those three were certainly among my boyhood heroes, and Jock Stein imho was the greatest of them all for his achievements with Celtic, especially that glorious Lisbon night in 1967 when his team of Glasgow-born journeymen became the first British club to lift the European Cup. Had he crossed the border in his prime there's no doubt in my mind that he would have outshone both of his illustrious counterparts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
And he began his managerial career at Dunfermline, my team. :)
The curious thing is how Scots seem to do well when they leave Scotland -the Scots who were fundamental to the growth of Canada when the French left; the Scots like Andrew Carnegie who became industrial entrepreneurs in the USA, the Scots who have enriched English football....makes you wonder why they would want independence...it seems to be the reserve of poets and pundits....even if two of the poets (Surly Mac and Grievous Mac) were world class -and no irony there.
You could add Norman McCaig, Edwin Morgan, Liz Lochhead, Edwin Muir and of course Carol Anne Duffy. And that's without mentioning the "B" word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
And in football, all of those tiny Scots wingers mazily scribing indelible football poetry across the field - Jimmy Johnstone, Willie Henderson, Archie Gemmill, Willie Morgan.... it's a very long list.
Yes, but a long list from yesteryear -how many Scots these days dribble their way past/through Celtic to titles in Scotland? On balance I think the majority have succeeded outside Scotland rather than inside it (Lewis Grassic Gibbon wrote A Scots Quair in Welwyn Garden City) notwithstanding your B list scribblers.
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Originally Posted by Stavros
my intellectual contribution to that clip...is...
what a jammy knobhead :)
"B list scribblers?" Your endless putting down of artists in various genres becomes extremely tiresome at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Have you read contemporary Scots poetry beyond the admittedly marvellous MacLean and the occasionally wilfully obscure MacDiarmid? I confess to some bias, having been tutored by Edwin Morgan (a perfectly lovely man) who in turn introduced me to the lugubriously hilarious Norman McCaig, and as for Liz, she was in the same tutorial group as a mature student. Perhaps the fact that all three prefer the cadences of demotic Scots means that their work fails to meet the tawdry standards demanded by your metropolitan snobbery.
Paxman's arrogant and ignorant dismissal of Burns sounds depressingly familiar.
You forgot "French" :dancing:Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
And you forgot arrogant :dancing:Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
Their poetry does not give me pause, it does not encourage repeated reading, though I can see why some admire them. I don't have tawdry standards, they are most exacting.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
Is this a football or poetry thread? Let's not talk about Scotland again until Sean Connery dies.
Pick a windae pal. Yir leavin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyDon
moyes got nailed again? ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
As we put it in Glasgow, "His jaicket's definitely oan a shoogly nail."Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
In the meantime, Robbie Savage doesn't pull his punches on the need for a clearout at Old Trafford.
http://http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25665649
Aside from the fact that the 'clearout' of backroom staff by Moyes is already being cited as a factor in the decline of morale at the club, I am surprised that anyone would take Robbie Savage seriously as an analyst of football. A pundit, yes, but that is as far as it goes. Although I think the morale is the biggest issue, Moyes does not have key players fit, and has been on the wrong end of some outrageous refereeing decisions. I still think United will make it to the top four by the end of the seasons if van Persie and Rooney return and are at their best, but it will be a struggle. I think a lot of this negative publicity is caused by people who want United to fail.
I agree with your general comments on Robbie Savage, but I don't think his judgements are far out. And of course people want to see United crash - wait till Sammi's next intervention! - but the midfield is inherently unstable until they get Fletcher back to his best, the defence is more than just suspect, and strikers of the quality of Welbeck and Hernandez should be able to provide adequate cover for Van Persie and Rooney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Fellaini was a daft panic buy, and Moyes should unload him back to Everton - not that Martinez needs him - and get Mata in there quickly. He should be able to provide the drive and invention that's lacking.
I don't think United can recover to make the Champions League - that fourth place is between Liverpool and Spurs.
I think we can agree that if Spurs end higher up the table than Manchester United then United really do have problems.
Moyes will get away with the fall,Ferguson will see to that.After all he did put him up for the job.Will have to save face.
But Glory Days don't last forever,maybe it's that time.As a Liverpool fan i know that.
Why is everyone so concerned what happens to the most hated club in the country anyway ;-)
And it just keeps on getting better
I was about to say it's because of their long record of consistent success, but I don't think anyone hated Liverpool like that when they were on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Piper
Weird, isn't it? As a (Scots) neutral, although with a family link to Liverpool, I've always liked the teams down south who play proper football, so I've admired a lot of Man U's play on the pitch. Mind you, I used to like West Ham for the same reason, so what do I know?
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Originally Posted by robertlouis
Oh! believe me they did.
I've had to do a runner at many away games back then,and not too far from you was the worse.Leeds,their crazy up there ;-)
Well Fergie said on the news last night,he expects the club to stand by Moyes.
:whistle::whistle::whistle:
my dad n uncle did regular aways 70s, early 80.s till my mum banned my dad cos i was being born hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by The Piper
some mad storys. have you read the boys from the mersey?
hard to compare the old school terrace culture, obs,firms,working class scarfers... compared to todays sky generation. plus dont forget the power of the media, twatter, 24/7 wankers on skysports. ex players whining all day on talksport, bla bla :)Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
it is fair comment however to say that the best is usually "hated" its a backhanded compliment. if people are copying you or your getting abuse then chances are your doing something right :)
Back to the footy.
Interesting set of results last night - Arsenal dropping points at Southampton, Palace continuing their remarkable recovery under Tony Pulis - whatever he may lack in tactical subtlety he seems to make up for with motivation - Swansea winning at last, and Liverpool thumping Everton 4 - 0.
If they can turn some of their home form into solid away performances, I can see them consolidating fourth place. OK, I hope that they will.
And Mata made a very impressive start for Man U. They need more than just him, but he'll make a very positive difference.
More matches tonight, so MOTD should provide good entertainment.
Growing up in Glasgow, the assumption was always made that you were either Rangers (protestant) or Celtic (catholic), and getting it wrong was dangerous and occasionally fatal.Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
However, living to the north of the city, my local team was Partick Thistle, and if you replied that you followed the Jags, the initial reaction would be stunned disbelief, followed by the awed respect that native Americans used to reserve for lunatics.
But the best parochial crowd chant I ever heard was at a League 2 needle match in the southwest at Torquay, where the local fans taunted their opponents - Exeter - by chanting "Dirty Northern Bastards."
Check a map of the UK and you'll get the point.
soz to be a smartarse .. unlike me eh:DQuote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
but..Lazy journalism that roberto;-) our away form has not been bad at all v anyone not in the champs league battle. if we keep on what we doing home/away versus the lower sides, weve been doing it as good/better than most........... the main thing is to reverse all the lost points lost in away games at the top sides.
we have only man utd to play away out of top 7. we got a possible 4 out of 15 points with 3 left to play for !!
homewise we got 6 out of 6 so far and 12 left to play for.
thats what will decide it for us .
:)
When is some intelligent referee going to ask Skrtl if he would prefer strictly come dancing to football? Or maybe the way he wraps his arms around opposing players at corners and set pieces is his way of coming out? There are some penalties in there for a savvy forward, I think this is Liverpool's weakness.
Well, my wee scouse muffin, after Wednesday's results things look even more promising for Liverpool. Strongly consolidated in 4th place, and with both Chelsea and Arsenal looking anxiously over their shoulders, a good run should see them finishing fourth or better, although I can't see anyone overtaking Man City. And if it's close at the end, Liverpool's hefty GD could be worth a point or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
And Stavros, you clearly have a thing about Skrtl and his exaggerated attempts at manlove foreplay in the penalty box, but if you watch any televised game you'll see every central defender doing exactly the same. If the linesmen did their job properly there would be a dozen penalties per game. Skrtl is no better, but no worse, than any of his counterparts in emulating an octopus whenever a corner is taken.
I don't agree, I think Skirt-L is a head of the rest, yes it does happen in other games, but he is flagrant if not delicto more than most. Anyway I don't like him so there!
Ah, so now we know. Admittedly the shaven head makes him look more like an Orc than most, but you'd love to get him in scrabble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
You play scrabble?? And you are how old??
Not as old as you, old fellow. And I've read your calculations in relation to the Old Testament patriarchs, about whom your knowledge is so comprehensive that I'm convinced that you were a contemporary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
How absurd, I don't have a beard, or a cane, but I do have tablets. Blood pressure, rather than clay.
Pundits like Alan Hansen should be retired. Apart from the tedious repetition of I've said time and time again if you're goin to use a flat back four...he thinks Manchester City are the best team in the world. Hello?
And he played for Scotland...
Alan Hansen slates his own defending - YouTube
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Originally Posted by Stavros
I agree, although I prefer his lugubrious "You're nivver gaunae win ANYTHIN' wi' defendin' like that".
The entire bench on MotD needs to be changed, especially Shearer, who raises the anodyne and crushingly obvious to an admittedly kitsch art form. Hang on to Martin Keown and let Kevin Kilbane gain some experience.
The best ex-player pundits on TV are Gary Neville and Lee Dixon. Chris Waddle is great on Radio 5. The best commentator is John Murray, also on Radio 5. And I suppose I'm one of the few members of the Alan Green fan club - if a match is crap, he says so.
And, at least, to hear the sainted Charlotte Green reading the results on a Saturday is sheer pleasure.
Chris Waddle is a sconehead.
For Italia 90, yes. And shouldn't that be Pizzahead anyway? But he's pretty good on the wireless.Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
How do you feel after that 4-0 trouncing of Everton?
Ive heard him. Hes to biased. whiney. He is like saying John Aldridge is good pundit. Far to agenda driven.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
Neville, Carragher are the best, recent ex pros, massive knowledge of the game. Keane,Souness,Hoddle are ok as well.
Rest are muppets.
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Originally Posted by SammiValentine
Now you've upset Fozzie..... :(