Re: Male student gang raped by muslim youth
Finally... Tragicomedy repeatedly claims he posted news sources. in fact he posted links to blogs - a pretty unreliable source of information. He then interpreted people of north african origin to mean Muslims. And then by extension assumed that it was their common religious identity (if there was one) that led to their behaviour. And when challenged by a Turkish member resorted to reference to the Armenian genocide (as if that is in any way relevant to the discussion at all). Here are his opening salvoes on the subject.
"Why shouldn't theu attach it to Muslims? Go to a country wuth a large Muslim pop and you will see this behavior is common. It spread to many non-arab countries through Muslim.conquest."
"Translations on the web state that the offenders were the children of North African immigranta almost all.of.whom are Morrocan. Gangrape of gays and non-Muslims is common and.it.is.not.unheard of.in Europe. You guys need to wake.up because you are enabling these people."
"No. You are the idiot and a person so wedded to ideology that you would shut down discussion of rape and groups that are more.willing to publicly sanction.it. You folks should be ashamed of yourselves for enabling people who show no respect for Western.countries. Your cowardice is disgusting."
"Fool. Take a look at the youth population of Belgium and what % is Muslim. The rapists,.were teenagers.of.North African origin. If.you dont want to.face the truth, fine. But you are not corrrect in trying to stop.others from talking.about it."
Re: Male student gang raped by muslim youth
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tragicomedy
What do you think your buddies have been doing in this thread? They seem to be more interested in prior restraint (typical of p.c. reactionaries) than actual debate. That's the part that's tiring...
...British social services had even participated in a documentary that featured discussion of this phenomenon but guess what, pressure from multiculturalists like Prospero kept it off the air...
That's the end result of Left wingers trying to shut down discussion.
What is tiring, tragicomedy is dealing with your phoney argument -you divert attention away from the issue at the core of your argument, by labelling people and identifying the cause of their crimes as their religion when your real purpose is to condemn immigration as a catastrophe for the UK.
It is not about 'the left' shutting down debates about 'multiculturalism', it is about your agenda in which immigration is halted immediately, in which Human Rights legislation is scrapped and along with it any right of any person to claim political asylum in the UK, and ideally, over time, the UK leaving the EU, the expulsion of Muslims from the UK, and at a later stage by the expulsion of 'the Blacks'.
It is so tiring to have to go back over all the evidence of prejudice against identified 'outsiders' that I don't intend to do it. You have decided that the UK, or maybe it's just England, once had a definable character, and that this sense of being English has been eroded by 'mass immigration' and membership of the EU, and you don't like it. Nobody likes crime, whether it is carrried out by Muslims, Jews, Italians, Gypsies, or for that matter the Richardsons and the Krays -the causes of crime are not linked to the colour of a person's skin or their religious heritage, so maybe you could take a few steps beyond identifying the 'causes of crime' and offer a solution.
Re: Male student gang raped by muslim youth
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Originally Posted by
tragicomedy
I'm the only one who even offered evidence and YOU decided to lie about it. Yet again, it's great to shine that mirror on you disgusting hypocrites. You will literally say anything to defend your world view. Even contradict yourself one post after the other.
That's the galling part, NO Evidence?? What the heck, I'm the only one who even tried to do such a thing and you decided to lie about me.
Oh... Evidence...
So if you have 5 apples & 3 oranges, how many jalapeños do you need to make a banana cream pie?
WHAT????? You don't know the answer? You probably forgot to carry the peach to the next column. (Tomatoes only work if posted after the first week of the month in base 11) It rhymes with purple, & I'm sure it's evidence of something somewhere. Might even hold up in blog court. Careful! Knowledge of this sort of "evidence" can get you elected king of your padded cell.
BTW: As long as we're rewriting the dictionary, can we just change the meaning of "irrelevant" to not fucking your sister?
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Originally Posted by
Prospero
Welcome back. Got more hatred for Muslims today to offer?
Where is the evidence for your assertion that "multiculturalists like Prospero kept it off air."
http://www.naar.org.uk/
http://uaf.org.uk/
http://www.1990trust.org.uk/search/node/channel%204
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Shznb4_eQ
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gs-decade.html
Colin Cramphorn, the then Chief Constable of West Yorkshire, joined groups such as Unite against Fascism in calling for the documentary to be withdrawn. Channel 4 complied, saying that the issue was not censorship but timing because of the proximity with the local and European elections.
After the film was withdrawn, one of the mothers sent Annie Hall a text message: “It’s a real shame when votes come before young girls’ lives.”
This is one of the directors of child services who was in charge during the earlier Rotherham attacks, and her decision to minimize and obfuscate proves telling years later in another questionable decision.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...t-made-1458765
In truth a ciuple of years ago I led a team that spent a significant amount of time investigating the challenges faced by the Muslim community in the UK - and the challenge they present to the wider community. The key issues are islamophobia (of the sort your postings are symptomatic) and an recruitment of young second generation young Muslims by jihdists. There is clearly a link between the two - and this is a serious issue within the community.
The appalling case you provide links to implicates a group of men for whom no one can make any apology and who have been condemned by the Muslim community itself. The fact of their shared "faith" proves what exactly? For people of your prejudiced view, this seems to be that Muslims are all racists and sex criminals (as you suggest in your opening posts) and that there are innumerable other cases. Again no evidence. The faith of these men was irrelevent. There are plenty of sex crimes, by Christians for instance, which do not the get used to characterise Christians as prone to sex rimes because of their faith. Homophobic crimes by christians in the US which do not lead us to conclude that all Christians are homophobic and likely to go beating up or killing gay people.
And by the way Jack Straw's attitude to Islam is pretty controversial and ignorant.. A few years back he suggested that Muslim women should not be allowed to wear the veil.
I stand fully by my labelling of you as a hater.
It's a key part of the history of Islam but it doesn't mean that it's something that Muslims cannot erase. Those men are continuing a practice that started with their Prophet's companions.
But it's not a solely Muslim phenomenon, something you and I would both admit.
It's a tribal and supremacist phenomenon. In the case of these men, they view non-Muslims as the lesser tribe to be subjugated and humiliated.
The odd thing is that this type of behavior occurs in a country where they are a vulnerable, visible minority.
In Pakistan, these men prey on Sikhs, Christians, Hindus and minority Muslim sects that have been labeled as Kafirs. These groups live under constant threat of violence and have little recourse from the police.
But in Britain, they are targeting the children of the indigenous, super-majority population. This is enabled by multiculturalists LIKE YOURSELF who have put ideology before safety. Who are so obsessed with protecting the "other" that you would make the police and politicians feel they have to be silent about paedophile gangs for fear of being labeled racist, and all the loss of social standing that label brings forth.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...inorities.html
Documentary throws a bad light at Muslim community in UK - YouTube
It looks like forcing you to confront an ugly truth is the only thing that would get you to address the issue. If only you multiculturalists were more honest in other situations, I guess it takes years of kids being gangraped and trafficked for you to address the subject.
You're so used to just intimidating people into silence, but somethings can't be kept quiet forever.
Mr Shafiq described the child predators as “sick and evil”, adding: “The time for ill-informed racial sensitivities on this needs to be stopped and we need immediate implementation of all elements of a new, positive action plan.”
Former MP for Keighley, Anne Cryer (pictured top left), told Parliament’s influential Home Affairs Select Committee in January 2013 that gangs of Pakistani men were allowed to prey on vulnerable young white girls for years in Bradford and Keighley, because authorities, including West Yorkshire Police, were “terrified of being called racist”.
Ann Cryer, who was MP for Keighley for 13 years before stepping down in 2010, said there had been a total failure by local police, social services, schools and hospitals in West Yorkshire to work together to address the mounting evidence of child sex exploitation that emerged a decade ago. “There has to be inter-agency working – and that wasn’t happening then”.
She added “West Yorkshire Police, Bradford Council, social services, schools, hospitals even – because abortions were taking place – none of them were working together. None of them were giving information“.
During his three months in office so far, and particularly after Anne Cryer’s evidence to the HASC, there has been no press announcement from the West Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner, Mark Burns-Williamson. It is highly relevant to point out that he was West Yorkshire Police Authority Chairman from 2003 to 2012. Throughout the whole of that period child grooming in Bradford and Keighley was tolerated
Re: Male student gang raped by muslim youth
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Originally Posted by
hippifried
Oh... Evidence...
So if you have 5 apples & 3 oranges, how many jalapeños do you need to make a banana cream pie?
WHAT????? You don't know the answer? You probably forgot to carry the peach to the next column. (Tomatoes only work if posted after the first week of the month in base 11) It rhymes with purple, & I'm sure it's evidence of something somewhere. Might even hold up in blog court. Careful! Knowledge of this sort of "evidence" can get you elected king of your padded cell.
BTW: As long as we're rewriting the dictionary, can we just change the meaning of "irrelevant" to not fucking your sister?
That's a whole post full of nothing, yet you think you're funny. I can see that you're angry though. Good, if you see a little of yourself in the scumbag Left wingers who put their ideology above the safety of children, maybe you'll change.
Re: Male student gang raped by muslim youth
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Originally Posted by
Stavros
What is tiring, tragicomedy is dealing with your phoney argument -you divert attention away from the issue at the core of your argument, by labelling people and identifying the cause of their crimes as their religion when your real purpose is to condemn immigration as a catastrophe for the UK.
It is not about 'the left' shutting down debates about 'multiculturalism', it is about your agenda in which immigration is halted immediately, in which Human Rights legislation is scrapped and along with it any right of any person to claim political asylum in the UK, and ideally, over time, the UK leaving the EU, the expulsion of Muslims from the UK, and at a later stage by the expulsion of 'the Blacks'.
It is so tiring to have to go back over all the evidence of prejudice against identified 'outsiders' that I don't intend to do it. You have decided that the UK, or maybe it's just England, once had a definable character, and that this sense of being English has been eroded by 'mass immigration' and membership of the EU, and you don't like it. Nobody likes crime, whether it is carrried out by Muslims, Jews, Italians, Gypsies, or for that matter the Richardsons and the Krays -the causes of crime are not linked to the colour of a person's skin or their religious heritage, so maybe you could take a few steps beyond identifying the 'causes of crime' and offer a solution.
I'm not part of the Groups that pushed to keep that documentary off the air.
I'm not one of the people that made a climate of multiculturalism and political correctness SO dangerous for people who don't tow the line that POLICE OFFICERS and CPS officials would rather keep quiet rather than speak out about a terrible series of crimes with a long and wide-ranging history.
As for Immigration.... I am an immigrant. What else can you be wrong about Stavros?
Re: Male student gang raped by muslim youth
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Originally Posted by
Prospero
Finally... Tragicomedy repeatedly claims he posted news sources. in fact he posted links to blogs - a pretty unreliable source of information. He then interpreted people of north african origin to mean Muslims. And then by extension assumed that it was their common religious identity (if there was one) that led to their behaviour. And when challenged by a Turkish member resorted to reference to the Armenian genocide (as if that is in any way relevant to the discussion at all). Here are his opening salvoes on the subject.
"Why shouldn't theu attach it to Muslims? Go to a country wuth a large Muslim pop and you will see this behavior is common. It spread to many non-arab countries through Muslim.conquest."
"Translations on the web state that the offenders were the children of North African immigranta almost all.of.whom are Morrocan. Gangrape of gays and non-Muslims is common and.it.is.not.unheard of.in Europe. You guys need to wake.up because you are enabling these people."
"No. You are the idiot and a person so wedded to ideology that you would shut down discussion of rape and groups that are more.willing to publicly sanction.it. You folks should be ashamed of yourselves for enabling people who show no respect for Western.countries. Your cowardice is disgusting."
"Fool. Take a look at the youth population of Belgium and what % is Muslim. The rapists,.were teenagers.of.North African origin. If.you dont want to.face the truth, fine. But you are not corrrect in trying to stop.others from talking.about it."
There you go, lying again. They were not all blogs. I pulled a blog in the local language because it identifies the perpetrators as North Africans, something YOU folks were even trying to dispute. Well over 80% of the immigrants from North Africa are Muslim and the small Jewish, Christian and secularist population has almost NO criminal record to speak of while the Muslim community is extremely over represented in crimes.
Other reports list the subjects as Muslim for that reason. Not to mention known Muslim perpetrators in countless other cases both in Europe, Australia and the Middle East while the North African Jewish and Christian immigrant communities have almost no known cases of them gangraping non-Jews or non-Christians of other communities.
But hey, what else are you going to try and lie about?
Maybe you'll move on to downplaying kids being gangraped and trafficked again, like your fellow muliticulturalists.
No crime is too despicable for you to cover up for, is it?
Re: Male student gang raped by muslim youth
Putting freedom and rights before safety: hmm that would be something the NRA has in common with multiculturalists (at least according to one crazed, anonymous observer). See, there is always common ground. :)
Re: Male student gang raped by muslim youth
Enough Tragicomedy. You are a fascist and a hater. Pure and simple. Do you know what the BNP is? (who describe this programme as a party political broadcast? They are a right wing racist party.) The decision to hold it back was clearly correct. You are hugely ignorant of everything other than trying to stir up hatred. The clip you posted made it very clear that this is an inflammatory programme as are your remarks. They are also libellous. How dare you suggest that people who are culturally sensitive condone this vile crime and actually downplay and cover it up. Your general ignorance with regard to Islam and the Muslim community is simply staggering.
You describe yourself as an immigrant? From where to where?
Re: Male student gang raped by muslim youth
Still not fuckin' your sister, Tragicomedy?
So how did a story about a grown man in drag getting gang-banged by a bunch of teenagers turn into a rant about organized pimps that somehow is supposed to have something to do with protecting children from Islam & multiculturalism & other things that grate on the nerves of the UK's version of klan/nazis? No need to answer. It's rhetorical.
