Any thoughts on Tim Walz? He comes across as a coherent no nonsense speaker. I know next to nothing about Minnesota and his record there.
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Any thoughts on Tim Walz? He comes across as a coherent no nonsense speaker. I know next to nothing about Minnesota and his record there.
Here (scroll down for the video) is some idiot talking about how RFK is going to get 'the data' on vaccinations and presumably overhaul the system, if Trump wins and Kennedy is given some health job he is clearly not qualified for; and in the second link the facts which make the proposal to hire Kennedy even more alarming. One wonders who will have the most reckless, dangerous-to-life vaccination policy -the US, or the Taliban?
Trump Transition Co-Chair Floats Plan To 'Yank' Vaccines 'Off The Market'
As for the facts
Trump Repeats Falsehoods About Childhood Vaccines in Leaked Phone Call With RFK Jr. - FactCheck.org
Completely agree that's exactly what Minnesota Governor Tim Walz comes across as. And he's down to earth and keeps it real. And was the right the choose to be Vice President Kamala Harris running mate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_WalzQuote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Exactly how it should be!Quote:
Originally Posted by blackchubby38
Media is supposed to be non-partisan and a watch dog of the government REGARDLESS of political party!
But not how it is -Murdoch persuaded Reagan to end the Fair Broadcasting Doctrine in 1987 precisely so that his media outlets could abandon objective and balanced reporting to be Partisan and as Biased as Murdoch wanted, just as he did with his newspapers in the UK (The Sun, News of the World in particular). Newspapers are privately owned and it is up to the owners if they show a bias, so there is no point in expecting them to be non-partisan unless the owners want it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
The US media in general has enabled Trump at every level. He was known for decades as a liar and a scam merchant, yet even when he has been convicted of crimes with more to come, he gets a free pass -do you think any Democrat nominee would survive the onslaught of bad press if they were a convicted criminal?
Most intriguing of all, even the Democrats have not pushed the Epstein enigma, how close Trump was to Epstein, how much he knew about Epstein's illegal behaviour -Trump tends to clam shut when the name Epstein is mentioned. As for all the verifiable lies, again reporters let him get away with the most outrageous nonsense -he cannot bring himself to admit the Springfield story is rubbish because he is never wrong, but all he had to do was call the Mayor on the phone, he is, after all, a Republican, but he can't do that because he never says sorry, never admits to being wrong.
Russia Russia Russia - the Mueller report identified hundreds of incidences when the Trump campaign was in touch with the Russians in 2015-2016, had that been Clinton she would have been shredded in the media but she was the one who was subjected to legal scrutiny by the FBI.
Now Trump is suing CBS for $10 billion -! why not $20 bn?- because the man who complains he is the victim of the weaponization of the law is addicted to litigation. It is his way of at the very least draining other people of their money, so he doesn't even care if he loses, as long as the other side have had to sell everything to defend themselves against Trump's made up lies. Will then media report this for what it is, or treat it as a legitimate legal argument?
What a mess you are in.
Down and down he goes. Not content with suggesting Liz Cheney be a target with "nine barrels shooting at her", and certainly aware of the outrage -and potentially legal action- his comments have provoked, he of course added to the first set of comments by claiming "she kills people" who "wanted to go to war with everybody". (Note: when he was Trump's National Security Advisor he wanted Trump to bomb Iran, is he a disgrace too?).
Arizona prosecutor investigating Trump for saying Cheney should face gunfire | Reuters
Trump says Cheney ‘kills people,’ doubling down after ‘nine barrels shooting’ comments - Live Updates - POLITICO
Just as disturbing is the argument in today's Guardian
"Republicans are already laying the ground for rejecting the result of next week’s US presidential election in the event Donald Trump loses, with early lawsuits baselessly alleging fraud and polls from right-leaning groups that analysts say may be exaggerating his popularity and could be used by Trump to claim only cheating prevented him from returning to the White House."
Republicans preparing to reject US election result if Trump loses, warn strategists | US elections 2024 | The Guardian
Praise the Lord, and Pass the Ammunition -wasn't that just a song?
There is something really wrong with the Orange Convicted Felon Donald Trump,and his despicable and disgusting comments shows how unhinged and unstable he really is. Not surprised at all that his enablers are laying the groundwork for The Big Lie 2.0Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
"Anderson Cooper chimed in Thursday on Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance’s recent claim that former President Donald Trump is likely to win the “normal gay guy vote.”"
Anderson Cooper Makes Cheeky Dig At Trump After JD Vance's 'Normal Gay Guy' Comment
What?!
He's really stupid. All those years in the military and he's a simp bitch trying load and fire a hunting rifle. He should load it and fire it with almost perfection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
When you evaluate all statement on each side, each candidate said some pretty strange shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightHawk 2.0
Kamala wants open borders and high taxes. Although she's not Trump, things were better under him than her.
I might not vote at all.
Maybe I'll suck some ts dick election night, that makes me happy..
What is a 'simp bitch'?Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonBad
If you don't vote, isn't that like saying you don't care?Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonBad
And when did Kamala Harris say she wants 'open borders'? There are no 'open border' in the US -if borders are not policed, it is because the geography makes it impossible to police every inch.
Exactly why we need to see beyond just Democrat/Republican.....Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonBad
Go on, then, Mr Fanti, tell us what you see.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
I don't think he knows what it means either - probably just repeating something he saw on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
"Simp is a slang insult for men who are seen as too attentive and submissive to women, especially out of a failed hope of winning some entitled sexual attention or activity from them."
https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/simp/
Why would anybody who likes porn vote for a Republican -- the party of Mike Johnson, Mike Pence, JD Vance, etc? Banning porn is part of Project 2025. Even if you think that Project 2025 isn't... I don't know, real? You don't need to reference Project 2025, just listen to the things they say. Sex is strictly for procreation. Those names are not just random scrubs, they are at the highest levels of leadership in the GOP.
There's not enough alcohol in the world for this shit....if it continues.
To borrow from Oscar Wilde: electing Trump once might be regarded as carelessness; electing him again after all we've seen and heard looks like something else.
The most shocking thing is that Trump is likely to win the popular vote by almost as much as Biden did last time. It's not even possible to argue that most Americans still reject him.
It is like Brexit, but with global implications. A country consumed by lies that chooses isolation over inclusion, that joins with others with its complete contempt for both domestic and international law, not creating a new world order, but dismantling the one which was created after 1945, and replacing it with nothing other than unrestrained ambition, and war.
Russia might be desperate if it needs troops from North Korea, but if the US stops aiding Ukraine, the consequences might not just be Russia's territorial ambitions resembling the old USSR, millions of refugees will seek sanctuary -where will they go?
Israel, Supreme, having destroyed Gaza and on the way to destroying Lebanon, almost daily bombing Syria, is now free to attack Iran, not for 'regime change' but to cause chaos and division, above all to neutralize it, draining it of its ability to support Lebanon and the 'Houthi' in Yemen, the latter two with Saudi Arabia's blessing. And again, having already created 3 million refugees with more to come, where will they go?
Tariffs, and the Beast's dismissal of NATO and the EU may lead to the demise of both, with dire consequences for Germany, which on top of an economic recession will be expected to take in refugees from the Middle East and Ukraine -is the US going to take them?
The contempt for the UN, and notably its agencies -WHO, UNRWA, UNICEF, the World Bank -suggests there is a danger that the world we lived in is coming to an end, to be replaced with an age of Barbarism with no moral leadership, in which human life is worth nothing, a world in which millions of refugees seek a home, with every door closed to them.
The lamps are going out all over the world, I may not see them lit again in my lifetime.
oscar Wilde, brilliant though he was, would not poll well in maga counties. But his words still relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
trump would have won regardless. But there need to be protocols in place for same day attempts at election interference akin to the bomb threats in Georgia.
someone else said, peculiar how there are no questions about vote totals from republicans…it really is like voter fraud yelling is a reliable barometer for how well the democratic candidate is doing.
What we don't (yet) know -how many people who would have voted Democrat never voted, because the polling station was closed, because they were purged from the roll, or denied in some other way.
What happens now to the court cases?
The court cases againist Donald Trump will more than likely get thrown out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Here is an article on the eight takeaways from the 2024 Election. https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/06/polit...day/index.html
I'm going to say none, if any. Everybody who wanted to vote Democrat had the chance to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIxNngNB5MI
Yeah, that giant elite conspiracy somehow fizzled out this time. So much for the voting machines that could be manipulated, or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
The combined margin in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin is over 240,000, so it would need to be more than that to make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Fair point, and I think if there were serious issues they would have been aired by now. Thus the people like Trump who were shrieking 'cheat' throughout the campaign, have yet again be shown to be shrieking about nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Thanks for this rational account of the result. It is even more depressing than I thought - notably the divide in voting behaviour between young men and women. If anything, it reveals more divisions across American society, and perhaps, as Kamala Harris said in her concession speech, it suggests that individualism at the expense of community has undermined the Democrat message, the argument being that people in fact are less community minded than once they were, and are looking out for themselves without regard for their neighbours, if they even know who they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackchubby38
The thing that concerns me the most is how on earth could Liberal media completely miss the stance of the American people? (Regardless of how ugly).
So people that only followed Liberal news media outlets were hugely disappointed today because they weren't told the ugly truth about where Americans stand.
Lesson learned: Paint the true picture, no matter how ugly it is.
To be fair, they were following polls that mostly suggested the election would be close. I doubt think they somehow thought Trump would win easily, but decided to mislead their readers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
The Liberal media? How many Americans get their news from the New York Times or the Jimmy Kimmel show? Maybe the 'dark secret' is that Fox News, and the other pro-Trump media outlets told one lie after another to scare the wits out of Americans who don't do their own research to find out if it is true that Haitian immigrants eat dogs and cats -even when the man himself was confronted with the facts he insisted the truth was not known.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
How many of the 'alternative' media outlets told the truth about the health of the US economy since Biden became President, and then pointed out how it is that grocery prices are high -not because of Biden, but ruthless businesses who always raise prices never lower them, even when the costs go low? How many of the same sources told the stories of Americans being murdered by a couple of illegal or legal immigrants, but never told of the deaths of pregnant women who could not get treatment because health practitioners are terrified of going to prison and losing their careers if they terminate a pregnancy, or in one case allow a woman to die who miscarried. This is shameful, but if Elon Musk is the source of news, it is beyond that to some alternative universe in which Planet Earth and all that happens here is 'yesterday's news'.
Now consider the impact of not very bright people receiving messages like this:
Here, from today's Guardian is from an American who writes for the paper
"Kamala Harris announcing that she was running for president coincided with my social media algorithms bombarding me with Christian “tradwife” content about the importance of serving and obeying one’s husband, and not working outside the home. This alternative reality isn’t a side of America that many Europeans had seen. You might be dimly aware that historically the country was founded by religious fundamentalists deemed too extreme for European sensibilities, but there’s something about seeing quite how unhinged and retrograde the content is that really brings the ideological disconnect home.".
People around the world are appalled by Trump’s win, but women have been gripped by a visceral horror | Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett | The Guardian
We don't have people like that in the UK, certainly not with that ability to reach people directly. This religious nonsense is something we don't connect with. I have a box attached to my tv which gives me lots of channels, most of which are garbage, but recently they added Jimmy Swaggart's channel, and I have watched it with incredulity at the fabulous rubbish they broadcast, but the point is I just don't get it. Yet maybe this matters to Americans. A measure of how easy it is to embrace extremism as if it were normal. Because they don't think they are extreme.
PS. Look at that 'family photo' -no Melania, but who's that guy on the right? Elon Musk. 'Nuff said.
I just saw this report the on local news. Its about a continuing trend that I posted an article about in the aftermath of the 2020 election. Why I don't think New York will ever become a swing state, it should be a wake up call for the Democratic Party.
County-by-county election results map for New York. How did my county vote in the 2024 presidential race?
www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-york-map-county-by-county-election-results-2024-presidential-race/
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
To elaborate:
A thorough review of the Iowa Poll has begun into disparity between its results, actual vote
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...o/76110540007/
Libera media & pollsters should apologize to audiences for not painting the ugly real picture to them.
Sanders Blasts the Dem Party Following Harris Loss:
Bernie Sanders Blasts the Democratic Party Following Harris Loss
So he thinks the right response to voters shifting to the right is for the Democrats to move to the left? They actually did a lot of the things he wanted, but he's still complaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
It seems that the loss was due mainly to voters being unhappy about inflation and illegal immigrants. What would Bernie have done differently to fix those problems?
Interesting link...but...Quote:
Originally Posted by blackchubby38
a) did the vote for Clinton reflect her status as Senator for the State as well as the familiarity with Trump as a con-man in the city?
b) is the gap between the votes for previous Democrats and Harris a personal thing, that people just don't like or trust her?
c) I can understand the fatigue with the Democrats, there have been examples in the UK where Labour or the Tories have been in power forever, and nothing much changes, but this is also true in the US where the Republicans are the forever party. I don't see how this can change unless you change the electoral system -in the UK people advocate change by ditching first past the post to proportional representation. In the US the electoral system should be taken out of State control and given to an Independent Electoral Commission that draws electoral boundaries and administers the elections, with one universal system for all 50 States.
d) I don't understand why it was possible for Abbott, and also De Santis to traffic people from their States to New York and not be arrested, as I understand human trafficking is illegal in the USA.
e) What has happened to social policy? Have Americans become so disenchanted with individual liberty that they will support a Trump/Vance administration making same-sex marriage and divorce illegal? Are the rights of Transgendered Americans now to be abolished? New York -or is it just New York City is famously 'liberal' though an American from Nebraska (in the days of Reagan) once told me 'New York City is not America'- are you about to live through a revival of the Puritan Ethics of Colonial America?
He's absolutely correct!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Like it or not, Democrats lost touch with the working class and instead, became the party of the elite!
Wage and price controls. Nixon did it. Back in the early 70s.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Nobody is illegal. I mean, is the idea of America legitimate? Is slavery and the extermination of the indigenous population legitimate?
We've so-called free trade w/ Mexico (really corporate rights agreements) and the core of free trade is the free circulation of labor. That's the core. Meaning you can go anywhere you want. Now you decide: should free trade exist...
Bring up people's living standards -- across the whirling world. Stop giving all the money to a few people (neoliberalism... which has had a very negative impact on the populace; great for the very, very rich but harmful to everyone else). So go back to the 1950s. Eisenhower. High taxes on the ridiculous rich. High social spending.
And, well, universal public health care. Free college.
Tax the hell out of the very rich. Back in 1942 Roosevelt proposed a 100 percent income tax on incomes above $25,000. Roughly $500,000 today.
Bring about more equality. Equality has very beneficial effects.
All these things would mean we don't get deranged criminals like Trump.
So, the root of the problem (instead of blaming one another) is the system, the structure. If we don't address that, well, we're lost... and will move further and further into fascism.