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In real life theres no situation where a definition needs to be drawn tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
in a situation like defining one for a porn blog, theres no difference or any name that would bring respect to the girls anyways. Just stick to porn terms, at least that feeds the fantasy.
I disagree - I believe there would be situations outside of porn but agree with the sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Like????Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
Please let me know as a transexual when you have needed to label yourself besides a female in social norms?
As an individual visiting a Doctor could have issues where you need to reveal yourself as a transsexual, similarly a lawyer or state dept.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
As a corporation putting in place worker rights and codes of conduct. There are places where a word has to be used.
By curious coincidence, a rather famous lady posted that a couple of days ago she visited a surgeon for pre-op discussion on major surgery she is to undergo a week from now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
She pointed out that she was T, in case it made a difference.
It turns out it made no difference, but the lady in question was pleased that the surgeon handled this query in a totally professional manner.
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So here is are questions for you Kelly. Please answer them directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Define Transsexual and define Transgender (using your own words with no outside links, etc.).
Is it possible for a Crossdresser / Transvestite / Drag Queen to also be Transsexual or do the two never exist together in one body?
Do you (or can you) become Transsexual? In other words, is there a learning curve where you actually come to the realization that you are something that you had no definition of to begin with?
This is utter nonsense. You know that I've never heard?Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
A self-indentified CD say to a self-identified Transsexual, "What do you know? You're just a Transssexual."
You know what I hear in almost EVERY SINGLE DISCUSSION I try to have with a self-identified Transsexual when they cannot defend their position, will not be honest, or will not realize they have a bigotry in themselves? "What do you know? You're just a CD."
There IS a superiority complex that does LARGELY exist in the Transsexual community. I can go through every heated conversation that I've had on this board with [almost - and I just put that in as a CYA] and pull up a quote that says the above thing almost word for word. Amber, Eva, Bella, Remy, and on and on... it is almost a given that it will be said, and intended as a slur.
OK... let's tackle this question.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Transsexuals, and some parts of the Transgender spectrum want the whole cake... and then another to eat as well. They want a world where they are completely immune to the dangers that everyone else faces (hate crime, bigotry, etc. etc.) AND they want to assimilate into the gender binaries we currently have. This cannot coexist at this time and here is the reason why.
It is PERCEPTION that matters. By in large, the PERCEPTION, rightly or wrongly, of the male in the street, the female on the street is that if you were born with a penis - you're male. If you were born with a vagina - you're female. PERIOD. This perception has been around since 6,000 years or billions and billions of years - depending on if you're religious or not - and guess what... it ain't gonna change any time soon.
So, unless (pre or non-op) Transsexuals and parts of the TG spectrum are willing to put up with skyrocketing hate crimes, YOU MUST accept that there is going to be a label... just out of the issue of safety alone, and for a few other smaller reasons as well. Or, I suppose there is the other case in which Transsexuals just stop being sexual beings and live lives completely without emotional or physical contact. That would solve the issue too.
When you date someone. You are putting your life into your own hands and therefore should be responsible for the consequences (and no, I'm not blaming the victim here so let's not even play that game - think people understand what I mean). If you choose to play Russian Roulette and lose - blame yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
You do not know how the person is going to react when / if they have to find out on their own that you are Transsexual... either pre-op or post-op. They could be totally fine with it or they could start beating you to a pulp.
That's just one... a fairly important one for those who are interested in dating and developing a strong, nurturing relationship with another person though.
Look. If you have a problem with me, then man up and refute what I've said. Otherwise, at least show me the respect of using my name. What you've done is just cowardly.Quote:
Originally Posted by simonisthebest
Krissy I find you are on the defense? I am not sure why......I have plenty of friends that are crossdressers and drag queens. Those same friends would say they are NOT like me. So why the defense I have no idea. They take off their make up at night and go back to being the men they IDENTIFY being. They are happy individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy
A transsexual "drag queen" aka show girl still views herself as a woman..just like women who do drag shows or "celebrity impersonators" I know several women who make money as drag queens. At the end of the day though they are CIS people who are either straight, bi, or gay females. Being a drag queen is a job..it's not a CONDITION..not dysphoric.
So to say we are like someone who get off in panties or fetishist or doing it strickly for financial and fun purposes is WRONG. You are saying because we all have the same outer form and some go farther in their goal of femininity we are still the same. Which is not the CASE.. being a TRANSSEXUAL has everything to do with the upstairs and how we IDENTIFY ourselves! It has everything to do with NOT being happy with what we see in the mirror. Feeling like we are trapped in a body that seems foreign to us. Having objects on it we can't deal with. I don't know any crossdressers/drag queens that have this issue.
Crossdressers/Drag Queens are typically CIS STRAIGHT/GAY/BISEXUAL men. They don't need counseling to find who they are. They are not dealing with hating their body on the outside. Not to mention I often found many transsexuals aren't even transsexuals. Just because they have boobs or take hormones doesn't make them TRANSSEXUAL. I know plenty of drag queens that identify as gay men, but got boobs etc so they could look the part more for their JOB. Just like I know many so called transsexuals that escort that got surgeries etc so they could make more money or they are fetishist on the glamour of being a woman and the validation they feel it brings from men.
Many girls self-medicate and don't even go to a counselor understand what's going on with them. Even when they do seek counseling I feel many are misdiagnosed and have body dysphoria instead of being transsexual. Due to not every psyhochologist is well versed in the topic. People are still very unaware of what goes on inside a transsexuals head even the CIS people that have studied us for years! Even people that think they know all about us because they interact with us. Until someone is a transsexual they can NEVER fully understand us. They will never know how we feel inside or how depressing and skin crawling it can be to be US. This is why I said what I said. Even when we explain our side I don't think people GRASP it totally.
So again I don't know WHY you are on the defense...
Transgender is an umbrella term I obviously posted a picture showing that. I feel it does more harm when they use "transgender" on a drag queen/crossdresser in an article (which they do) and then use transgender again with an actual trans-woman/man. It confuses the public what we are. Are we just dressing for fun, sex, or money or are we living our lives as any other CIS person? I do not like the word, because it being so broad and it is used so much in the media on anyone that was born a man wearing womens clothing. I feel it does a disservice to transsexuals.
I can't tell you how many times I have interacted with people that assumed transsexuals were drag queens or crossdressers. I can't tell you the countless times I was hanging with CIS people who didn't know about me talk about transsexuals as people that like to get off in panties. This is the message that is being sent, because they confuse all of us due to us being all lumped in together!