Make Sure You Have Valid Photo ID!

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Photo ID laws are designed to eliminate in-person voter fraud (a form of fraud that occurs once in a blue moon) and their implementation in pennsylvania alone will disenfranchise 700 000 voters (Jim Cramer's father could not obtain a legal ID to vote until PENNDOT got worried about the bad publicity). In order to sift out one illegal in-person voter, the GOP is okay with disenfranchising hundreds of thousands, perhaps a million, voters...most of them poor, minorities, elderly or students...most of them democratic votes. It's not fraud they're worried about, it's the election.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

I say..."Buttsucker...you lost".

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Well Convict, your hero Williard can't take the White House without Ohio and Michigan and he's down 4 points in Ohio and out in Michigan. Maybe you should switch from the Fox network to the Cartoon network. Or if you want to Man Up, my offer to put your money where your mouth is still stands. Feel lucky, punk? Well, do ya????? ha ha ha

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Originally Posted by Cuchulain

Always good to see you posting, Comrade BURBS. The historical part of the article was fun and interesting. The second part is when the author shows his true colors. He ends by saying "wouldn't it be better if we did something about the problem now—even if it's as simple as requiring everyone who votes to show an ID?" But it's not that simple and his whole article demonstrated that.

All the nastiness he reported involved registration problems, registration fraud, election fraud and voter fraud committed by people with ID. I'm sure as Hell not defending any of it, but none of it could have been prevented by demanding photo ID at the polling place.

I got a kick out of the part where the author suggest that folks who register to vote when renewing their driver's license are somehow not showing ID. WTF?

Then he goes into the Florida 2000 debacle. He makes some points, but he states "Election officials wrongly identified thousands of people as felons, most of them minorities, thus preventing them from voting under the state's election laws." Then he says " 5,600 people voted whose names matched those of convicted felons". As I recall, there were 50-80k legal voters misidentified as felons and prevented from voting. I don't remember the exact figure, but it was a HELL of a lot more than 5600.

Look, let's fix our election system. Let's try to get rid of all the horseshit, including the vote caging and other dirty tricks repubs are so fond of. We shouldn't do it by making good people jump through hoops to get photo ID, because that only prevents a very tiny % of fraud and does potentially stop a much larger number of American citizens from voting.

Be well, BURBS.

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Sup Bro, nice to see you. Yea I also found the first part of the article more interesting than the latter half, but it also raises some good points. I personally think there is probably more fraud by both parties than either of them would like to admit, and I'm opposed to it in any form. I do agree that many republicans are pushing this to hold down the democratic vote, but at the same time I think many democrats are willing to turn a blind eye to some of the fraud if it allows them to get as many people out to vote for them as possible. It's really just politics, unfortunately, and not principal being played out here.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

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Yea and it played out on the floor of the republican convention too, Maine delegates for Ron Paul not being seated and that phony ass voice vote that they refused to do a roll call on.

EVERYONE knows this is a scam by republican governors to suppress democratic votes.

What kind of idiot believes you should lose your right to vote because you lost your wallet?

What kind of World Leader believes Jesus dropped by North America in 1876,
and one percent tax for billionaires will save the economy?

If Jesus appears and starts turning away voters from the polls I want him arrested immediately.

Because with all it's flaws and misunderstandings, The United States starts and ends with voting. That's the day WE are the DECIDERS. That's the day we decide who we are. That's what people have fought and died for.

No man and no Law shall stand between an American and the voting booth.

Voting is no some "trick" cooked up by the Democrats to make Republicans look bad. I'm sick of it.

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

What kind of idiot believes you should lose your right to vote because you lost your wallet?

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Have fun cashing a check, driving your car, buying a six pack or smokes, pick up your welfare check, apply for your food stamps, gaining entry to the democratic convention, traveling by airplane, or getting checked into the hospital. They all won't happen until your id is presented. Cry me a river..

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

No man and no Law shall stand between an American and the voting booth.

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Ya, well the US Government requires that A) you be a US Citizen, and B) You are over 18, (some states vary, 17 in places). So just like your bank, local law enforcement, store clerk selling beer/cigs, welfare office, food stamp administrator, or hospital. If a state would like to see your id to ensure you meet requirement A & B your fucked. Grow a pair and get over it. Really your embarrassing yourself.

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Originally Posted by Faldur

Grow a pair and get over it. Really your embarrassing yourself.

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And yet enough of my friends agree with me enough to give Obama four more years!!!! Get over THAT!!!

Welcome back Faldur. Hope your next post has more than mere insults.

Surely, Prospero, Faldur's point is that Americans already have photo ID to do 101 and one things, and that it therefore suggests it is not impossible for them to get photo ID to vote. The real issue, as discussed in Politics & Religion, is whether or not imposing on the voter's need/ability to purchase another form of Photo ID to vote is a Poll Tax. That is the core issue. You can't get on an aeroplane without valid ID, although I suppose you can if your passport says James Bond, as long as the photo matches...