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11-17-2010
joeym75ld

Here is the 4th Amendment, which FYI, is part of the Bill of Rights. The "right to privacy" refers to illegal searches and seizures of citizens by the government.

Why, exactly, would a full body scan constitute an illegal search or seizure?
Particularly since the scan is being performed by a private institution to prevent dangerous materials from being smuggled onto their airplanes?

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
11-17-2010
joeym75ld

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

theres more nutjobs in the states then anywhere in the world period how the hell can you people think its an invasion of your civil rights knowing full well there are terrerist out there who have zero respect for human life and would like nothin more to see you all dead.so freakin what if you have to go through a body scanner it sure as hell beats blowing up in an airplane doesnt it?ask yourselfs this question whats worse you blwing up in a plane or 10 mins going through a scanner because thats what its come down to where are your civil rights then?when your remains are scatters for 100 miles over the oceon.

Lisa -I'll disagree with you here: "theres more nutjobs in the states then anywhere in the world period"

I would say there are more nutjobs in Saudi Arabia alone than the entire world. Ditto for Iraq, Iran, UAE, Yemen, Egypt, Palestine, etc. etc. etc. (just fill in any Muslim country). The problem is the leaders of the Muslim religion, and the way they choose to teach it.
11-17-2010
lisaparadise

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Originally Posted by joeym75ld

Lisa -I'll disagree with you here: "theres more nutjobs in the states then anywhere in the world period"

I would say there are more nutjobs in Saudi Arabia alone than the entire world. Ditto for Iraq, Iran, UAE, Yemen, Egypt, Palestine, etc. etc. etc. (just fill in any Muslim country). The problem is the leaders of the Muslim religion, and the way they choose to teach it.

ya i know i was reaching lol i agree with you no worries kiddo
11-17-2010
scroller

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Originally Posted by joeym75ld

Show me where in the Constitution that is says you have the "right to privacy" pertaining to travel provided by a private institution. Everyone considers themselves Constitutional experts, but have likely never even read the document (probably too busy playing with your Barbies and trying on mommy's panties instead of doing your homework).

The following are Supreme Court recognized protections, applicable generally in all circumstances (including during travel):

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These include the Fourth Amendment right to be free of unwarranted search or seizure, the First Amendment right to free assembly, and the Fourteenth Amendment due process right, recognized by the Supreme Court as protecting a general right to privacy within family, marriage, motherhood, procreation, and child rearing.

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Originally Posted by joeym75ld

Here is the 4th Amendment, which FYI, is part of the Bill of Rights. The "right to privacy" refers to illegal searches and seizures of citizens by the government.

Why, exactly, would a full body scan constitute an illegal search or seizure?
Particularly since the scan is being performed by a private institution to prevent dangerous materials from being smuggled onto their airplanes?

The scans are not done by a private institution. The TSA is part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, a Cabinet-level department of the U.S. federal government.

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The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act passed by the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush on November 19, 2001. The TSA was originally organized in the U.S. Department of Transportation but was moved to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on March 25, 2003. The agency is responsible for security in all modes of transportation.

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11-17-2010
joeym75ld

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Originally Posted by scroller

The following are Supreme Court recognized protections, applicable generally in all circumstances (including during travel):

Privacy laws of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The scans are not done by a private institution. The TSA is part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, a Cabinet-level department of the U.S. federal government.

Transportation Security Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your reading comprehension sucks as much as your understanding of the Constitution. You said:

It's not "convenience", it's a right to privacy, and it's supposed to be Constitutionally protected. In fact, it's supposed to be the whole point of the USA. Land of the free and home of the brave and all that -- and in what way do you qualify for those?

"Right to privacy" is not "Constitutionally protected", period. Read the link you provided and figure it out yourself.

The only thing this would come close to violating is the 4th Amendment protection against illegal search and seizure. As you rightly corrected me, the government is performing the scans - but in what context is it illegal to require these scans before boarding an airplane? (Certainly not under any of the privacy laws you referenced).

If an individual does not comply with the scan they would then be frisked - which is obviously more invasive of person space (what you are confusing with "a right to privacy") - but that is their choice. As is their choice to fly or to rather use other means of transportation.

Your correction that the searches are performed by the TSA, which is a governmental agency is interesting. Are all airport screeners now TSA employees? If so, do the airlines reimburse the government for the service? If not they should. Personally, I don't feel my tax dollars should be spent on airline screening - the airlines should foot that bill, even if it makes air travel extremely expensive for the traveller. It is not fair that some corporate prick that flies all over the place, then takes his family on 4 expensive vacations a year gets these services for free, while those who opt not to fly have to subsidize him.
11-17-2010
bte

If you don't like pat downs or scans then take the Greyhound Bus. I took the bus once some years ago from VA to TX and it was horrible. Sitting next to someone with the BO that could revert an adult back into a fetus.
11-17-2010
LAGent4ts

SUBJECT: ISRAELI AIRPORT SECURITY
The Israelis have developed and are putting the finishing touches on an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at the airports.
It's an armored booth you step into with your baggage that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device, including chemicals or powders that might be used in combination to create an explosive device, it detects on your person or in your bags.
After detonation, all residue and debris is sucked into a specially designed Hazmat bag and the chamber is sanitized. The entire process takes 30 seconds if no detonation occurs and just over a minute if a detonation takes place.
Israel sees this as a win-win situation for everyone, with none of this crap about racial profiling. It will also eliminate the costs of a long and expensive trial.
You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter, an announcement: "Attention standby passengers - we now have a seat available on flight 6709. Shalom!"
11-17-2010
Caff_Racer

Just a thought here... Shouldn't this thread really be in the "Politics & Religion" section? :whistle:

Right that's all, as you were!
11-17-2010
joeym75ld

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Originally Posted by LAGent4ts

SUBJECT: ISRAELI AIRPORT SECURITY
The Israelis have developed and are putting the finishing touches on an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at the airports.
It's an armored booth you step into with your baggage that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device, including chemicals or powders that might be used in combination to create an explosive device, it detects on your person or in your bags.
After detonation, all residue and debris is sucked into a specially designed Hazmat bag and the chamber is sanitized. The entire process takes 30 seconds if no detonation occurs and just over a minute if a detonation takes place.
Israel sees this as a win-win situation for everyone, with none of this crap about racial profiling. It will also eliminate the costs of a long and expensive trial.
You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter, an announcement: "Attention standby passengers - we now have a seat available on flight 6709. Shalom!"

That's awesome!
11-17-2010
joeym75ld

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Originally Posted by bte

If you don't like pat downs or scans then take the Greyhound Bus. I took the bus once some years ago from VA to TX and it was horrible. Sitting next to someone with the BO that could revert an adult back into a fetus.

Plus, maybe you'll come up with an all time great hit like "New York State of Mind" while on the bus!!!

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