An outsider watching the US health care debate

I love how if you don't agree how something is run...and you feel it should be improved or worked on to become better, you automatically "hate" your country. God forbid you switch to metric. "You hate your country and you made baby Jesus cry"

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Originally Posted by Tepres

You love your present government, not your country. Once the hand outs stop, you'll go back to hating.

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Why do you assume Trish doesn't love her country? And what makes you think she's getting a hand out?

Nice signature of a simulated rape scene BTW.

Good old conservative values on display :lol:

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Originally Posted by trish

That's been the right's stategy for some time now: ignore the truth, shout down other discussants, divert the conversation to inanities like birth certificates & death panels. Afraid of the truth (you obviosly are) just bring a gun to the conversation. If you're afraid of what's being posted, shoot the keyboard. Ignore button ... what a coward!

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:claps :claps :claps

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Originally Posted by jaycanuck

I love how if you don't agree how something is run...and you feel it should be improved or worked on to become better, you automatically "hate" your country. God forbid you switch to metric. "You hate your country and you made baby Jesus cry"

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Exactly. If you don't agree with the Tea Party/birther morons you must hate America. What a bunch of BS.

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Originally Posted by jaycanuck

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Originally Posted by duplicatt

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Originally Posted by duplicatt

Moreover, Canadian hospitals do not get enough funding to do all of the bone marrow transplants that are indicated.

Every system has its own drawbacks.

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You're right...we don't get enough funding. But if you lived here in the 90s you would know that that's the fault of a Conservative government who slashed more than just health care. We're still trying to fix his mess. Unfortunately he didn't listen to his voters.

According to an article I found Ontario performs 70 out of the 120 surgeries per year that need to be performed. Considering each surgery is between $200,000 - $500,000 that's pretty good. And as I said before, I would be willing to pay a lot more tax to make sure that that number of surgeries is bumped up. Read back a bit...you'd know that.

Although in the States you can go from state to state to get shorter wait lists, the fact is you still have wait lists in the States. It's 16,000 people for a liver transplant? In both cases (liver and bone marrow) the major issue is donations.

In short, the ability for any Canadian to go to a hospital for treatment any time in his life (here it comes..) FREE OF CHARGE (i'll wait for the..."you pay taxes, it's not free") is totally worth the cost in taxes.

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58% is really good?

What you want is irrelevant. I want a lot of things. What is available to you is what matters.

As for 'FREE OF CHARGE', I know a guy on Medicaid & VA here in the States. He gets everything 'FREE OF CHARGE', too.

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so what about the waiting list. Missed that bit. But you don't have to answer if you don't want. I can just see this going back and forth.

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So what about the fact that Americans can get health care 'FREE OF CHARGE', Jay? Missed that bit I see...

As for the wait list, yes? So? Did you miss the part where there was only funding for those 70 operations when 120 are needed in Ontario? Even if you found 120 donors, only 70 operations are funded and only 70 operations would get done. That comes from the head of Ontario's premier bone marrow transplant centre (nod to Canadian spelling).

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Originally Posted by Tepres

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Originally Posted by trish

I'm a tax paying American you nitwit, one who, along with the majority of Americans, voted last fall for a healthcare reform with a substantial public option.

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I never said that you weren't a US Citizen you moronic fuckface. But a Canadian started this thread, so I threw that in there....

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Dude...

Name calling of that order is just wrong.

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Now, the problem is Insurance Companies, Medical Supply Companies and Big Pharma.

In other countries, the cost of drugs is CONTROLLED by the Government, you wonder why drugs are so cheap in Mexico? Because its REGULATED. Drugs in Sweden, Denmark, Britain, Canada even Switzerland are all REGULATED.

Keep that point in mind.

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Keep this point in mind - Those countries rely on the US to do their research in pharmaceuticals.

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And because of that they have affordable drugs/treatments and we don't?

What's so special about America and being American that we automatically paymore for everything medical related?

It surely can't be because its better, otherwise medical mistakes, overcharges and malpractice wouldn't constantly happen....

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Better is relative. You seem to insist on perfect. Don't you think medical mistakes and malpractice happen in other countries? There are horror stories for every health care system.

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Originally Posted by trish

I love my country, and unlike radical right wing cowards, I not deathly afraid of its government or whole classes of its people.

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You have a very distorted view of things.

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Oh yeah it's not fear. Then why are half you assholes too afraid to go to a town meeting without gun? Rush is a fear mongerer & he's got you cowards shivering in your boots.

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I've heard of ONE person going to a town hall meeting with a gun.

As for Limbaugh, have you ever listened to Limbaugh?

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Originally Posted by trish

That's been the right's stategy for some time now: ignore the truth, shout down other discussants, divert the conversation to inanities like birth certificates & death panels. Afraid of the truth (you obviosly are) just bring a gun to the conversation. If you're afraid of what's being posted, shoot the keyboard. Ignore button ... what a coward!

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Do you mean like how union thugs tried to shout down Tea Party protesters at town hall meetings? Do you mean like then-candidate Obama urging his supporters to get in the face of the opposition in Nevada? Do you mean like how people like the lamented ex-green czar Van Jones spread the Truther claims about 9/11?

The problem here is that the right has finally picked up on the playbook of the left and lefties don't like that very much.