Read my last post again more carefully, and kindly answer the question I asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
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Read my last post again more carefully, and kindly answer the question I asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Those somali pirates are not as dumb as obama and his supporters.
Oh, a real dipshit has now arrived!Quote:
Originally Posted by addicted
So, your HIV dementia appears to be progressing, correct?
If there were sufficiently plentiful opportunities within a population for eeking out a living, there would be less pressure to survive by illegal means. In a population suffering economic deprivation there are not sufficient legal opportunities for pursuing the requirements of survival. Consequently there is higher pressure for people to pursue criminal paths.
Now for some strange reason you want me to explain why most economically deprived people are not criminals. I don't know if that is true or not. I believe it's true in the United States at the current time. But the population of the United States is not an economically deprived population. The population of Somalia is.
I did answer your points. Economic deprivation is no excuse, violence is no answer. For Somalia an Islamic government, which somali's would respect, could enforce laws against piracy. It happend before.Quote:
Originally Posted by phobun
Piracy Off Somalia's Coast Increases
It's as simple as that. Had we not ousted that particular Islamic Government, in our irrational fear that they might harbor terrorist, there would not have been a pirate attack on the ship, none of this would have happened. They were willing to actively fight the pirates and we ousted them. Directly because of the USA and our racially, and religiously motivated crusade against Islamic Government.Quote:
NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — Piracy off Somalia is on the rise because an Islamic group that had cracked down on the seafaring criminals was ousted from power, an official who tracks such cases off Africa's side of the Indian Ocean said Tuesday.
'''''During the six months that an Islamic group known as the Council of Islamic Courts ruled most of southern Somalia, where Somali pirates are based, piracy abated, said Andrew Mwangura, the program coordinator of the Seafarers Assistance Program.
At one point, the Islamic group said it was sending scores of fighters with pickups mounted with machine guns and anti-aircraft guns to central Somali regions to crack down on pirates based there. Islamic fighters even stormed a hijacked, UAE-registered ship and recaptured it after a gunbattle in which pirates — but no crew members — were reportedly wounded.
Mwangura said but piracy increased this year after Ethiopian forces backing Somali government (UN/EU/US puppet with no real authority what so ever) troops ousted the Islamic courts in December. ....
Edited because I wanted it to be quoted obvious for all to see in this case, our over-active imagination about every single islamic gov't being evil lead to a chain of events which created the situation we are in. Like the good book said, this present is a product of past history.
There are truly impovershed areas and families within North America, including the United States. I won't deny that.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
And just because two phenomena are linked statistically does not indicate that one causes the other. A basic maxim goes something like this: correlation does not imply causation. Your theory of economic deprivation fails to explain why rich kids and adults get involved in crime, and it does not explain why most poor people in Somalia are decent people who don't stick guns in innocents' backs and hold them hostage for money.
Is your scientific logic so convincing too?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrendaQG
And how many leading academic centers in physics exist under sharia law? Seriously.
there is a difference between an impoverished area of a rich country....
And being in a country that has no actual legal system what so ever.
The riddle of Somalia is that it's economy is actually better than that of some other countries in Africa because there is no govnerment to get in the way of free enterprise. There are no taxes on phone/internet service for example. One can get really cheap internet access there.
The problem of somalia is that there is no government (with any real authority) to stop some of those enterprises from being piracy, slavery, dealing drugs, or just setting up a roadblock every 500 yards and demanding a bribe/toll.
My so called “theory of economic deprivation” isn’t intended to explain why the rich get involved with crime. There are do doubt many factors and causes of criminal behavior besides poverty. If X is offered as a causal factor of Y, it is not necessarily a valid criticism to maintain X doesn’t explain Z.Quote:
And just because two phenomena are linked statistically does not indicate that one causes the other. A basic maxim goes something like this: correlation does not imply causation. Your theory of economic deprivation fails to explain why rich kids and adults get involved in crime, and it does not explain why most poor people in Somalia are decent people who don't stick guns in innocents' backs and hold them hostage for money.
It is true that correlation alone doesn’t imply causation. But I also provided a mechanism of causation in the form of increased pressure to behave criminally in order to survive because of the poverty of legitimate means of survival. Can you provide an alternative explanation for the correlation?
I do not know for a fact that the “most poor” Somali are not involved in some form of illegal behaviors in order to survive. It probably depends on what one means my “most poor”. Not having any legitimate opportunities to provide the necessities of survival seems like a possible definition. But of course if we take that as the definition of “most poor,” it becomes tautological that the most poor are indeed surviving by criminal means.
Look in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by phobun
Feb 25, 1999,Pakistan creates national centre for physics Well before then... in the 1960's there was Nobel Laureate Abdus Salam. Then reaching way back there is the historical fact that in the Islamic world, before the renaissance philosophy, medicine, and even natural philosophy...what would become physics were being practised... all while under reasonably enforced sharia. (Not say.... the authoritarian thing the Saudi gov't. calls sharia, which is really an excuse to suppress it's populace.)
Oh and more on topic. Read about the current "Trasitional federal govt. of Somalia." Check who the UN recongnized "president's" pals are. He was commander of the government we ousted, which had the will and ability to stop the piracy. Now, why should they do either?