The people on this board that scare me the most..

I really doubt the government splits hairs like that. If an employer fired you for being trans I'm sure you could file a suit. Give me an example of where a person has been fired for being TG then was denied legal recourse.

Also on the taxes, boohoo it's just a tax deduction, still hardly oppressed. Viagra is not plastic surgery, it doesn't cost tens of thousands of dollars (though I agree it shouldn't be deductable). Histerectomies are definitely necessary for life in many situations. If it really bothers you so much please move to europe.

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Thank you for inviting us to leave our country. Smooth move. Who else is known for that maneuver? I'm trying to think. When was I last invited to move back to Africa.

Well, no thank you. I think I'll stay here and fight for more just laws and government sponsored health-care.

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how about we all just take personal responsibility when it comes to our own care and not force others to pay for it

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1) I have to worry about when the SSA will start doing gender no match letters again. I'm not an escort, so I am more likely to have to deal with the SSA in my day to day live.

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well that sucks but it's more of a technicality than oppression/disenfranchisement. If an employer wants to fire you for this it's a definite lawsuit..

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WRONG, since there is no discrimination protections an employer CAN FLAT OUT FIRE SOMEONE FOR BEING TRANS LEGALLY.

There would be NO GROUND FOR A WRONGFUL TERMINATION SUIT.

The only way someone who is trans can argue in court and win for being fired is if they live where the discrimination laws specifically say employers cannot discriminate based on "gender expression"

The courts see trans citizens as being separate from homosexuals- an employer can fire us for being trans, in states where they cannot fire us for being into guys or girls or, well you get the idea.

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Thirteen states and the District of Columbia have passed laws that
provide non-discrimination protections based upon gender identity and
expression.

They are: Colorado (2007), Iowa (2007), Oregon (2007), Vermont
(2007), New Jersey (2007), Washington (2006), Hawaii (2005), Illinois
(2005), Maine (2005), District of Columbia (2005), California (2003), New
Mexico (2003), Rhode Island (2001) and Minnesota (1993).

On June 3, 2008 the New York State Assembly voted 108-34 to amend
the state’s human rights law to include anti-discrimination protections
based upon gender identity and expression. The bill (A.6584a), known as
the Gender Expression Non-Discrimination Act (GENDA) bans
discrimination against transgender people in housing, employment, credit,
public accommodations, and other areas of everyday life.

Additionally a number of larger cities such as NYC, Cambridge MA,
Los Angeles, Denver, Miami Beach, Atlanta, Indianapolis, Boston,
and a complete list of cities, states, and countries that afford gender
identity protection can be found here. http://www.hrc.org/issues/4844.htm

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I thought they allowed women who have transitioned to marry. Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe it's the state that you live in? Still hardly oppression.

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It depends on the state, in all states with gay marriage bans sex is defined in the law by your blood and as a result postops are not legally female in these states AND cannot marry guys.

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Sarah, I must commend you for your excellent articulation of the facts and
issues impacting the transcommunity, you are doing an excellent job.

On the issue of post op marriage, I must repectfully disagree with you. I
do concede that the Litttleton ruling in Texas has muddied
the waters vis-a-visthe legality and legitamacy of post-op marriages, in
the vast majority of the states and jurisdictions we are able to be legally
wed if we so desire.

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Well, no thank you. I think I'll stay here and fight for more just laws and government sponsored health-care.

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Some Americans want to be permanent wards of the state, get coddled and suck the government teat from cradle to grave. Some Americans have no ambition other than to stick their faces in the community trough and eat on someone else's dime.

I'm not looking to the government for any guarantees. The government is already funding programs on credit from China and the government is not going to be able to meet its obligations for social security over the next several years, let alone pay for a new national health service program. Also, events over the last 8 years have shown that the government is unable to help people when it most matters. Why anyone would put faith in the government is a mystery.

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who cares what a prostitute/porn star thinks about politics? If people cared about your opinion on politics you'd be on CNN, not "Transsexual Prostitues #X"

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As a citizen of the United States a woman who works in the sex trade, has
just as much right to an opinion and a vote, as the tricks and consumers
of said porn.

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Do you think that the money you pay to the insurance company (if you're fortunate enough to have coverage) is enough to actually pay for a prolonged stay in the hospital? Do you think YOUR payments are sufficient to cover radiation therapy and other treatments you might require were you discovered to have cancer? Of course you don't. It's your payments and the payments of hundreds of thousands of other people who have been lucky enough never to have need help which would pay those bills. No one who needs the advances of modern medicene can possibly pay for their own treatments and surgeries. Somebody is paying for you whether you like it or not. As far as personal responsibility goes, government sponsored health-care is no different than private: the idea is that we all pay in and we all look after each other. The lucky ones are the one who never needed to pay at all. I favor government sponsored health because it will cover more people and its been proven to work very well in Canada, Great Britian, France and elsewhere in western Europe. Let's have a little mutual responsibility as well as personal. Remember it was Cain who asked "Am I my brother's keeper?"

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Why anyone would put faith in the government is a mystery.

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We are the government. Why anyone would not trust themselves is a mystery.

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vietboy asks,

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Why anyone would put faith in the government is a mystery.

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We are the government. Why anyone would not trust themselves is a mystery.

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One's self is not the government, therefore trusting oneself and trusting the government are not the same.

If a is 1/300,000,000 of b, it does not follow that a is equal to b...

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vietboy asks,

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Why anyone would put faith in the government is a mystery.

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We are the government. Why anyone would not trust themselves is a mystery.

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One's self is not the government, therefore trusting oneself and trusting the government are not the same.

If a is 1/300,000,000 of b, it does not follow that a is equal to b...

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We are a "representative" democracy. Unfortunately, I am quite sure the people we elect, on both sides, are mostly representing only themselves and their own best interests.