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Adults have to be in control of weapons. The quickest way to give up control of anything to a 5 year old is to transfer ownership. They don't know or understand shit, & the only thing they care about, in regards to their new toy (& it is a toy in their mind), is "it's MINE". I learned to shoot at 5, but I didn't own the guns. 5 year olds aren't reasonable, & these child sized rifles are being marketed as toys. Hell, so are the rest of the guns that are marketed to the so called grownups.
Colbert sums up it. The people who would rather see children die than fill out some paperwork are truly damaged.
Background Check Backlash - The Colbert Report - 2013-01-05 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
I put this on my Instagram...
I'm pro gun. But this is too nutty for me.
Parents shouldn't be giving their kids guns. Vodka? Yes. Of course. Cigarettes? Of course... ha ha ha! Kidding.
But, of course, this is parental responsibility...
Shocking: 'I Nearly Shot My Kid Sister' says Child Gun Promoter:
Shocking: 'I Nearly Shot My Kid Sister' says Child Gun Promoter - YouTube
Quite. We seem to be able to do it in the UK too.
I see the NRA annual convention is underway in Houston. I had an unseemly fantasy. That someone would lock the doors of the convention hall and open up on the gathered gun enthusiasts and stout defenders of the right to bear arms i with a machine gun. Of course the gun would not be the thing teaching these fools a fatal lesson.
Apparently Canada has more guns per capita than the U.S. Robert, the U.K. doesn't really have a gun culture... or does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
And, too, Canada is more of a social democratic country. I mean, they've free universal health care. Not health insurance. But care.
Americans don't believe in a gift economy.... One of the core reasons for American gun culture could be fear. I don't know.
I'm not a gun owner. But I do support the right to own a gun.
I mean, why are there fewer homicides [per capita] in Canada than America? I don't know.... Does public policy have a part to play in it? Again, Canada is more socially democratic.... Canada, of course, doesn't veer to the left like Denmark, Norway, Sweden, &, well, Cuba -- ha ha! :)
More guns in Canada now, but fewer owners: RCMP...
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/01...r-owners-rcmp/
At NRA convention, both sides of gun debate
Many attending the Texas event say they want to support 2nd Amendment rights they see as endangered. Outside, protesters read the names of those slain by guns.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0,791179.story
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I don't see why people need to own guns, it's not needed in modern society. Guns exist to kill and injure people, so yeah, killing and maiming brings utiliity!!
Think about this for a minute.
All over - now you can print your own gun in the comfort of your own home
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185
Just Say No to Gun Registration!
Just Say No to Gun Registration! - YouTube
NRA: Put a Gun in Every Kids' Room! - YouTubeQuote:
Originally Posted by Willie Escalade
Thom Hartmann debates Rob Pincus:
Hartmann Vs. Rob Pincus: Keeping Guns in Kids' Rooms? - YouTube
This seems to cover it....
Guns Should be Treated Like Cars!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7oTI_vCfoY
I guess this illustrates all of Trish's posts about gun "accidents"....
I skipped a few days, but here’s what happened over that last two days, May 13th and 14th.
In Alaska, a man accidentally discharged a firearm wounding himself and a bystander.
In Georgia a 19 year-old was “playing” with a gun an accidentally shot his brother.
In Arizona a three year old child shot himself in the face and died.
In New York the police accidentally shot a bi-polar schizophrenic they were trying to calm down.
A fourteen year old kid in New Mexico accidentally shot his friend while playing with a pistol.
An Aurora Colorado school employee accidentally shot a student.
In Florida a four year old child accidentally shot an eleven year old.
In West Virginia and thirteen year old boy was shot.
A Tennessee man accidentally shot his 13-month-old daughter in the chest while taking apart his handgun inside the appartment where they lived.
A Wisconsin man shot himself in the neck.
An Iowa man shot himself while unloading his 9mm at a shooting range.
An accidental weapon discharge in a car killed a fifteen year old in Texas.
A gun in the pocket of a Florida accidentally discharged in a bowling alley.
A sixteen year old Alaskan shot himself in the leg while drinking with friends.
http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/
Not to worry though. We’re safe. The NRA got our backs in case we need to start an armed insurrection against our tyrannical government.
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A bit of light relief -- love this show:
Little Britain USA: America's Love for Guns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UgOvJVol8
At least five killed in California shooting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_UjF9lzZBM
Rapper Ice T on US gun control (20July12):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GwIbyp4xBU
Love George Carlin...
George Carlin on the NRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDuYXGAuBw
What Makes Florida the 'Gunshine' State:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-m...p_ref=politics
did you by any chance bother to look up how many of those guns were stolen?or not supposed to be in possession of the user in the first place?or did you look up how many people in that same time frame protected themselves,their loved ones,or their home with a firearm which WAS legal for them to possess?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
With a gun? That's a good one! A real knee slapper. Any more jokes? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Look the gun you think is protecting you right now isn't. It's merely a security blanket. A very dangerous one. Rather than actually being used for protection it is more likely someone in your family will use it to commit suicide, or to be involved in an accident resulting in injury or death. Oh, and just to cover the bases, if you think it's going to be used to fend off the government in the protection of liberty, then you're living in a fantasy world.Quote:
...how many people in that same time frame protected themselves...
slap your knees all u want..i can care less.if youre denying that people defend themselves every day in this country with LEGALLY OWNED firearms than YOU are the one living in a fantasy world where you think every gun and every gun owner is an evil person.the media refuses to put these stories in the news the majority of the time.have you seen how banning guns has worked out for countries like brazil and mexico where innocent people have no way to protect themselves?what the hell is a baseball bat or a kitchen knife going to do against a bad guy that has a gun that he obtained ILLEGALY!!!there needs to be tougher laws against thugs who are caught packing guns illegally and doing drive bys and robberies.instead of a slap on the wrist and send them right back out on the streets to get another gun ILLEGALLY and commit more crimes.but does the media ever acknowledge that need?nope.instead they think going after people who go through the proper procedures to obtain a gun legally to protect themselves from those very criminals is somehow going to reduce gun violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
...because they can never be verified or corroborated;i.e. they don't happen all that often.Quote:
the media refuses to put these stories in the news the majority of the time
kinda arguing against a straw man aren't you? Link to a post where I said that. I'm a hunter myself. I own a Remington thirty 'aught six, a single twelve gauge shotgun and a twenty two caliber rifle. Guess what? I'm not evil.Quote:
you think every gun and every gun owner is an evil person
England and the rest of Europe have quite reasonable gun laws. But I'm not asking for a ban. Link to a post where I'm asking to ban guns. A few reasonable regulations and a lot more self-restraint yes...banning all guns, repealing the 2nd Amendment, no.Quote:
you seen how banning guns has worked out for countries like
The unarmed thug who brakes into your house (if that ever happens in anything other than one of your fantasies) is going to take that gun away from you and shoot your family. But more likely, no one will brake into your house, but someone in your family will accidentally shoot someone else while cleaning it.
I hear all these "teapublicans" everyday spewing this crap about how they are gonna face down the "tyrannical" feds.......I mean gimme a break....and army of bubbas are gonna hold out against all the tanks,fighters,missiles, bombs, and troops that the u.s. government has?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
It really sickens me when we have these mass shootings, especially the school in ct. we have innocent kids , not even 5 or 6, too young to learn how much life can suck yet, gunned down by a sick piece of shit whose mommy kept giving him weapons that were made legal by Fucktard W. Bush and his buddies allowing the assault weapons ban to expire, and all the yahoos can do is scream about how they need those guns for deer hunting and to "fight the NWO"?
I say ban the fucking assault weapons off the streets..that shit was made for cops and military personnel trained to use them.....not for bubba gump to play out his dimwitted fantasy of an all white, heterosexual, bible thumping America. As for the "new world order"..... bring it on, because the USA will never lead again as long as the stupid rednecks keep trying to drag it back into some bullshit 50's era morality based on a made-up paranoia about "commies".
so if you are a legal gun owner then what is with the posts about all these accidents and shootings happening?what is your point or what are you trying to prove?are you pro gun or anti gun because now you just sound confused.and im not saying that to be a dick but I am really just curious now because at least before I thought I was talking to an anti gun person.what is your straight forward view on guns then?and the percentage of accidental shootings is actually extremely low when you think about the 100's of MILLIONS of guns legally owned in America.and like I said,you are not taking into account how many of these shootings and accidental shootings are occurring with illegally owned weapons.and each time a weapon is stored improperly where someone other than the rightful owner can reach it then in some states that is a crime,and in others it should become law that makes it a crime.no pro gun person agrees with dumbasses who store weapons improperly or dumbasses who clean their weapons without first making sure they are unloaded and second always keeping the weapon pointed in a safe directions wether it is loaded or unloaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Careful. She might end up saying something nuanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by onetluv
>>>Careful. She might end up saying something nuanced.
Nuanced is one thing. Accurate is another.
Guns save far more lives in the US than they take. All statistics show this. What the statistics cannot show, unfortunately, is the number of lives that are saved by merely showing or pointing a gun at a potential attacker, without actually ever firing. These sorts of incidences are not recorded officially as "gun use", but they save lives just as surely as if the gun were fired.
Regarding private gun ownership as protection from government tyranny:
All modern government tyrannies that we know of — on the left and the right — first gained traction in their cultures by banning individual gun ownership. Here's a synopsis:
1. Ottoman Turkey - 1915-1917 - Targeted Armenian Christians - ~1.5 million victims - Imposed gun control laws (permits, government list of owners, eventual ban on private possession).
2. Soviet Union - 1929-1945 - Targeted Political Opponents and Farming Communities (i.e., the "Kulaks" who didn't want to be forced onto collective farms by Stalin) - ~20 million victims - Imposed gun control laws (permits, government list of owners, eventual ban on private possession).
3. Nazi Germany & Nazi Occupied Europe - 1933-1945 - Targeted Political Opponents, Jews, Gypsies, Communists, Gays, Freemasons - ~20 million victims - Imposed gun control (registration & licensing; government list of owners; eventual ban on private ownership).
4. People's Republic of China - 1949-1976 - Targeted political opponents; rural population - ~ 30 million (some say as high as 70 million) victims - Implemented outright ban on private ownership.
5. Guatamela - 150,000 Mayan Indians (Gun ban by government).
6. Cambodia (Khmer Rouge) - 2 million political enemies of the state - (Strict gun control by government)
7. Uganda - 300,000 Christians and political enemies of the state - (Strict gun licensing and control by government).
8. Rwanda - The Tutsi people - 800,000 - (Strict gun licensing and control by government).
Obviously, then, even if some believe it's fantasy that individuals with guns act as a firewall against government tyranny, history shows that governments intending on becoming tyrannical certainly believe it — which is the reason they have all imposed strict laws on individual gun ownership, or enforced outright bans.
Careful what you mean by "gain traction." Tyrannies more often have gained traction long before they had enough power to impose traffic laws or any other kind of restrictions. They first appeal to bigotry, racism and nationalism. When the government is flying these flags, then you can be alarmed; but not when some representatives simply want to limit magazine capacity or plug a loophole. But if you want to dream of the apocalypse and saving the liberty of the nation with your little stash of legally or illegally acquired arms, be my guest; just don't expect the rest of us to participate in your sick dream. Firearm and ammunition sales are way up in this country, but gun ownership itself is falling. Fewer than thirty percent of households now owns guns (that's down from 50% in 1980). When it's the blustery bigots who are stockpiling guns and screaming about government tyranny, maybe it is time to be alarmed. Maybe it's time we take a look at our gun regulations and strengthen them. When those same blustery bigots with their penis boosters shoot first and ask questions later, maybe its time we start repealing our stand-your-ground-laws.
This isn't about guns. It's never really been about guns. They're inanimate objects. A mindless hunk of steel. The problem is all the stupid that surrounds them. It's the stupid that makes them dangerous. The object is to separate the gun from the stupid. Legality of ownership is completely irrelevant because you can't legislate stupid away. But the legal system is the only tool we have to try & create the separation. If somebody thinks they have a better idea, then let's see it. So far, all you gun-tough wannabes have done is whine. If y'all're that scared to want to surround yourselves with useless toys, go find a rock to hide under. All this perpetual paranoid sniveling is just annoying.
I'm sure the NRA can explain them allQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
If the tenants had guns then they could've shot him :DQuote:
Originally Posted by martin48
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Originally Posted by paulclifford
Where would you place the UK in that context, Paul? Genuine question. We have some of the most draconian and tight firearms laws in the world alongside one of the lowest rates of gun deaths, whether you look at in terms of actual numbers or per head of population.
I know that wasn't the point you were making, but I'd certainly like to hear your view.