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Oh, did I forget to type LMAO? I wonder why?Quote:
...you seem in need of a good laugh these days.
Shit this thread needs more Faldur and less OMK.
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Originally Posted by trish
No...but what was the point....that people say outrageous shit on the radio? Shocking revelation Trish...thanks for that. Try listening to Mike Malloy when he advocates that Seal Team 6 visit the Bush's....then get back to me about outrageous shock jocks....OK?...But then again maybe it was I who failed to see the humor.
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Originally Posted by Silcc69
Who the fuck asked you? When I need some commentary from punks like you.....I have multiple options now. So tell us....between the play station3 and the online free porn, and multiple tranny forums and chat rooms you frequented today, tell us what else you squeezed into your day. What a pathetic bastard you are.
C'mon man!Quote:
Originally Posted by onmyknees
Pam Grier wasn't in no Shaft movie!
She wasn't in Shaft, Shaft's Big Score nor Shaft in Africa.
And no she wasn't in the TV series either.
Love me some Pam Grier.
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Originally Posted by onmyknees
Some...A lot of people don't. But in a mad rush to fling feces at the president Mad Rush picked up the story of Obama's campaign against the Lord's Resistance Army of Murderers, Cutthroats, Rapists, Kidnappers and Child Molesters and ran with it before doing absolutely any research. No wait, he asked Dawn,Brian and Snerdly whether they ever heard of the Lord's Resistance Army and amazingly these radio newsroom hacks were as completely in the dark as Mad Rush himself! This story is no big surprise. It's completely characteristic of the right's current modus operandi: blindly obstruct every move Obama makes, ask questions later. I did in fact laugh my ass off at the sheer stupidity of Mad Rush's ignorance, his lack of journalistic integrity and at the idiotic way he showed his hand (once again). But it also pained me to be reminded that there are people with voluminous megaphones that are so ignorant, so biased and so irresponsible.Quote:
people say outrageous shit on the radio...
More Pam Grier, less OMK.
I have known about the Lord's Resistance Army since the 1980s when its leader was a nutcase called Alice Lakwena, because I knew someone at the time who was writing about them -but there is probably more awareness here of African issues via the commonwealth/empire, and Imperial History continues to be a popular option with students, although I thought African Americans had an interest in Africa too.
As Trish suggests, Rush Limbaugh jumped on the LRA merely to attack Obama -and in doing so has demonstrated a quite lamentable ignorance that strikes me as desperation. I don't think it is on a par with other reckless politics that onmyknees has indicated is 'just as bad', either way its a risky strategy.
The chaotic politics in Somalia is gradually seeping into Kenya, and by extension Uganda; most recently with the kidnappings around Lamu near the Somali border. The disabled French hostage, Marie Dedout, has now died; an English woman remains unaccounted for, as are two Spanish aid workers who were working with Medecins sans Frontieres in a huge Sonali refugee camp.
But the al-Shabab militia claimed responsility for two bombings in Kampala last year that killed 74 people. Evidently, there is some anxiety at the potential for east Africa to enter a phase of de-stabilisation, not least because we are entering the 'Pirate season' in the Indian Ocean.
Lumbaugh can criticise Obama's deployment of US Advisers to Africa, that's politics, but to defend the LRA is a violation of basic human decency -one hopes he will have the decency to apologise to the victims. Perhaps a trip to the region to meet them would awaken the conscience of this deeply committed Christian.
True true but it's a shame that he can get away with this shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
You bloviate on the radio for 3 hours a day, 5 days a week your bound to say some stupid shit. Its obvious he did a quick scan of who the LRA was and took it for face value. I think if the microscope was turned another direction you would find many statements that are far more offensive.
"I do say that I am in favor of the return of the guillotine and thats for the worst of the worst of the guilty." "And if they are unable to live on that amount of that amount then they should, you know, go to re-education camps and if that doesn't help, then being beheaded." Roseanne Barr
"You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody’s going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he’s going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we’ll be there to watch. I think he’s Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?" -- Chris Matthews
"I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn't be dying needlessly tomorrow....I'm just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact." -- Bill Maher
"Drudge? Aw, Drudge, somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about six feet in the air and watch him bounce." --Mike Malloy
"F*** God D*mned Joe the God D*mned Motherf*cking plumber! I want Motherf*cking Joe the plumber dead." -- Liberal talk show host Charles Karel Bouley on the air.
I will however point out his blatant misstatement, "Lord’s Resistance Army are Christians. It means God." It most certainly does not, it means Followers of Christ. :)
Let's get it right, the whole financial problem has been DESIGNED to happen by ONE group - The Rotheschilds. They want to control the World's economy themselves and have everyone as their slaves. They control the banks in EVERY nation except (now) four. Cuba, Iran, Somalia and North Korea - look in your newspapers and see where the "trouble" areas of the World are - these 4 countries. Libya was the last country which was taken over by them. Note the FIRST thing the NTC did was to establish a BANK with the help of NATO. NATO and the US are controlled by The Rotheschilds - check your history.
For example:
Who started the American Civil War. The Confederate States.
Who sponsored the Confederate States - The Rotheschilds
Who did Lincoln ask for money from - The Rotheschilds
Did he get it? - NO
Why?? - Because The Rotheschildes wanted 36% interest per annum.
Who have Lincoln money to fight the Confederacy and The Rotheschildes?? - Tsar Alexander of Russia.
Why?? - Because The Rotheschilds had tried to take over Russia.
Result?? - Nathan Rotheschild told the Tsar that he would pay for his support of Lincoln at sometime in the future.
Result: - The Russian revolution of 1917 - sponsored by The Rotheschilds.
The Rotheschilds OWN the Federal Reserve Bank after it was set-up ILLEGALLY in 1913.
Kennedy tried to finish it using Executive Order 11110 - READ IT - It is on the Internet.
Kennedy was assassinated because he wanted the USA free of The Rotheschilds.
The Rotheschilds control the US Senate and Congress and all of the Government. Look at teh number of people with dual nationality (Israeli - American) running the country in key positions. Dual nationality in the USA is ILLEGAL - so how do they do it????
GET RID OF THE ROTHESCHILDS AND THEIR TRIBE OF HELPERS AND HAVE A PEACEFUL WORLD.
The Rotheschilds have been responsible for most Wars since the 18th Century - it is TRUE.
They are NOT Jews, REAL Semetic Jews - they are Ashkenazi Jews (note the ending "AshkeNAZI" jews, who are not "real" Jews - they are imposters.
Faldur, Alice Lakwena was a 'spirit-medium' and mystic among the Acholi in Northern Uganda when she started the Holy Spirit Movement that morphed into the Lord's Resistance Army under Joseph Kony -there were elements of Christianity in Lakwena and also in Kony but the ideology of the LRA is a hybrid of confused sources, if anything it is 'God' rather than Christ from whom the LRA claim their bogus authority to kill, main, torture and abduct. Politically they are one of the many groups opposed to Yowari Museveni who, for all his faults is seen as a stable leader in a volatile region. So you are wrong about Christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faldur
You are also on feeble ground when you quote Americans, most of whom I have never heard of, insulting American politicians or saying nasty things -that is qualitatively different from Limbaugh adopting a 'terrorist' group for no other reason than to 'spite' the President of the USA -as I said, he now has a chance to apologise; and I think he should take it.
NATO and the US are controlled by The Rotheschilds - check your history.
The Rotheschilds
'Kareninfife'
I have edited your hysterical post -you might want to check your spelling as well as your history -its not my history or the history of anyone else.
Some proof of who was behind the invasion of Libya
http://www.youtube.c...u/0/xuBbHE0laTs
Some truths about Libya:
Testimony of Libya - Lizzy Phelan - Свидетельство из Ливии (English) - YouTube
The Large Families that rule the world
18.10.2011
Some people have started realizing that there are large financial groups that dominate the world. Forget the political intrigues, conflicts, revolutions and wars. It is not pure chance. Everything has been planned for a long time.
Some call it "conspiracy theories" or New World Order. Anyway, the key to understanding the current political and economic events is a restricted core of families who have accumulated more wealth and power.
We are speaking of 6, 8 or maybe 12 families who truly dominate the world. Know that it is a mystery difficult to unravel.
We will not be far from the truth by citing Goldman Sachs, Rockefellers, Loebs Kuh and Lehmans in New York, the Rothschilds of Paris and London, the Warburgs of Hamburg, Paris and Lazards Israel Moses Seifs Rome.
Many people have heard of the Bilderberg Group, Illuminati or the Trilateral Commission. But what are the names of the families who run the world and have control of states and international organizations like the UN, NATO or the IMF?
To try to answer this question, we can start with the easiest: inventory, the world's largest banks, and see who the shareholders are and who make the decisions.
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SharePrint version Font Size Send to friendThe world's largest companies are now: Bank of America, JP Morgan, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley.
Let us now review who their shareholders are.
Bank of America:
State Street Corporation, Vanguard Group, BlackRock, FMR (Fidelity), Paulson, JP Morgan, T. Rowe, Capital World Investors, AXA, Bank of NY, Mellon.
JP Morgan:
State Street Corp., Vanguard Group, FMR, BlackRock, T. Rowe, AXA, Capital World Investor, Capital Research Global Investor, Northern Trust Corp. and Bank of Mellon.
Citigroup:
State Street Corporation, Vanguard Group, BlackRock, Paulson, FMR, Capital World Investor, JP Morgan, Northern Trust Corporation, Fairhome Capital Mgmt and Bank of NY Mellon.
Wells Fargo:
Berkshire Hathaway, FMR, State Street, Vanguard Group, Capital World Investors, BlackRock, Wellington Mgmt, AXA, T. Rowe and Davis Selected Advisers.
We can see that now there appears to be a nucleus present in all banks: State Street Corporation, Vanguard Group, BlackRock and FMR (Fidelity). To avoid repeating them, we will now call them the "big four"
Goldman Sachs:
"The big four," Wellington, Capital World Investors, AXA, Massachusetts Financial Service and T. Rowe.
Morgan Stanley:
"The big four," Mitsubishi UFJ, Franklin Resources, AXA, T. Rowe, Bank of NY Mellon e Jennison Associates. Rowe, Bank of NY Mellon and Jennison Associates.
We can just about always verify the names of major shareholders. To go further, we can now try to find out the shareholders of these companies and shareholders of major banks worldwide.
Bank of NY Mellon:
Davis Selected, Massachusetts Financial Services, Capital Research Global Investor, Dodge, Cox, Southeatern Asset Mgmt. and ... "The big four."
State Street Corporation (one of the "big four"):
Massachusetts Financial Services, Capital Research Global Investor, Barrow Hanley, GE, Putnam Investment and ... The "big four" (shareholders themselves!).
BlackRock (another of the "big four"):
PNC, Barclays e CIC.
Who is behind the PNC? FMR (Fidelity), BlackRock, State Street, etc.
And behind Barclays? BlackRock
And we could go on for hours, passing by tax havens in the Cayman Islands, Monaco or the legal domicile of Shell companies in Liechtenstein. A network where companies are always the same, but never a name of a family.
In short: the eight largest U.S. financial companies (JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, U.S. Bancorp, Bank of New York Mellon and Morgan Stanley) are 100% controlled by ten shareholders and we have four companies always present in all decisions: BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard and Fidelity.
In addition, the Federal Reserve is comprised of 12 banks, represented by a board of seven people, which comprises representatives of the "big four," which in turn are present in all other entities.
In short, the Federal Reserve is controlled by four large private companies: BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard and Fidelity. These companies control U.S. monetary policy (and world) without any control or "democratic" choice. These companies launched and participated in the current worldwide economic crisis and managed to become even more enriched.
To finish, a look at some of the companies controlled by this "big four" group
Alcoa Inc.
Altria Group Inc.
American International Group Inc.
AT&T Inc.
Boeing Co.
Caterpillar Inc.
Coca-Cola Co.
DuPont & Co.
Exxon Mobil Corp.
General Electric Co.
General Motors Corporation
Hewlett-Packard Co.
Home Depot Inc.
Honeywell International Inc.
Intel Corp.
International Business Machines Corp
Johnson & Johnson
JP Morgan Chase & Co.
McDonald's Corp.
Merck & Co. Inc.
Microsoft Corp.
3M Co.
Pfizer Inc.
Procter & Gamble Co.
United Technologies Corp.
Verizon Communications Inc.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc.
Time Warner
Walt Disney
Viacom
Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.,
CBS Corporation
NBC Universal
The same "big four" control the vast majority of European companies counted on the stock exchange.
In addition, all these people run the large financial institutions, such as the IMF, the European Central Bank or the World Bank, and were "trained" and remain "employees" of the "big four" that formed them.
The names of the families that control the "big four", never appear.
Why don't the people of the USA pull their collective finger out of their A**es and do something about it.
GET RID OF THE LOT OF THEM
Keep this theme going, I love crazy conspiracy threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kareninfife
From what I understand so far here is that the Rothschild family is apparently composed of Jewish Nazi's who need four more banks, and then they rule the world. They finance global conflict, because if they don't land the Somali bank deal, then the plan is totally fucked for some reason.
Continue posting.
Not sure about all the Uganda stuff, I really haven't studied it much. I do know whats happening there is fucked up. Anyone who is killing innocents, no matter the religion or belief should be stopped. I was pointing out Limbaugh's incorrect definition of the word "Christian", my definition is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Well the folks I quoted are all part of the media here. The first Miss Barr is currently a candidate for president. Mr. Mathews has his own news talk tv program, look him up on MSNBC. Mr. Malloy is probably one of the top liberal talk radio hosts, his show is still on the air. He is the perfect comparison to Limbaugh. The rest are current and rather well known here. They all spend time much like Mr. Limbaugh filling our air and tele's with noise. They are very accurate comparisons, (although Limbaughs audience is much larger), and not a one has backed down from their statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
An apology from Rush? Your kidding right? He is an independent citizen and as long as he has listeners, and people who pay him to do what he does he is going to say outrageous stuff. Its how they get ratings. He could care less about apologizing to anyone.
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Here's the central problem with "global conspiracy posting", it's like showing up for work one day and realizing someone in the main office is doing less work than you, but making more money. Shit happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kareninfife
The person in the main office is probably thinking "people outside my office are possibly stealing pens and staplers!"
The end result is the boss get's a better lunch break.
Karen, there are millions of Ashkenazy jews. They are the descendants of the European jewish diaspora, more secular in worship and tone, and they suffered more in the holocaust than any other jewish group as a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kareninfife
To embolden the "nazi" is an obscene insult and you should be ashamed of yourself. Next, no doubt, you'll be rolling out the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and waving your BNP credentials.
My parents were Fifers. If they were alive today they would happily disown you.
In its purest form, I support the protests bcause there is indeed some sort of change that needs to happen in this country from the top down. But in saying that, the "down" portion needs to do some fucking housecleaning as well. that means me, you and all the rest of the fucks in this country.
You wanna know why the middle class is dying and nobody can afford healthcare, tuition, etc? because the majority of us ARE NOT LIVING AT OR BELOW OUR MEANS. Look at your monthly cashflow and see how fucked up it is. do you have a smartphone, and an Ipad, and do you pay for cable and high speed internet, and do you drive a new luxury car or SUV, and do you own a big house, bigger than you need? Do you have credit balances that you carry from month to month? do you "need": those credit cards to get by every month? yes? then you're fucking doing it wrong my friends. cut all the bullshit in your life that you really don't need and you'll soon see just how much you really CAN afford. People believe that they are entitled to things in this life, "just because". When I was a kid in the 80's and early 90's, the people who drove BMWs and Mercedes wre the people who could afford them! Now, everyone can "afford" them if they pay a big lease payment (which could be going to a monthly healthcare payment instead, or ito savings for tuition). I can't tell you how many kids I see driving high-end luxury cars, and are living their lives to support the car. like driving a BMW and having that pizza delivery sign on top. "Yo, I live at home with my momz and I have three jobs but I'm still broke. But dayum son, check out my fly ride!" Its this kind of mentality thats killing us. Lets go to target for some milk and bread, and come out with a new flatscreen tv, "becase it was on sale, only $350 for a 44"! you can't beat that deal! Umm, yeah you can. when you could be putting that cash n the bank for the day when shit hits the fan and you find yourself flat busted, but have some great big TVs to decorate your walls once the cable is shut off!
Simply put--people wanna protest "wall Street" or whatever else, fine, go for it, I hope you invoke some serious positive change. But you better check yourselves in the process, becuse if you don't, no change from above is going to make a damn bit of difference if you can't take care of yourself.
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Just had a good debate at Occupy wall street today about universal health care
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Originally Posted by needsum
Although probably not the author's intent this is one of the best arguments I've heard for an individual mandate for health insurance and for increasing Social Security taxes and benefits.
You're right, but I fail to see how that gives the government the right to tell us how to spend our money when most people are still trying to catch up on past debt, particularly if they've learned their lesson.Quote:
Originally Posted by needsum
I'm sorry, but IMO, debt is a much bigger problem than health care in this country, and one that will continue to grow if we keep spending... even if it's for health care. I really feel like overhauls to the system should have waited at least until we were independently, and as a nation, back in the black.
AC/DC - Back In Black (Live) - YouTube
~BB~
Yes, robertlouis, as Willie Hamilton once said " You could put a red rosette on a collie dug and the people of Fife would vote for it". So much for Fifers with an independent mind.
Ashkenazi Jews are not real (semite) Jews. They converted to Taludism in the 8th Century and lived in the area between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea.
I note that you did not say anything about The Rotheschilds sponsoring the American Civil War or any of the other "conspiracy theories like other half or no-brains in thei blog. Maybe they just read and listen to the trash and lies given to them by CNN, Fox News etc., etc., or maybe like the majority of Americans they cannot read or assimilate in their mind anything more intelligent that Bugs Bunny. It is said that your wonderful (last) president George W. Bush had an IQ of 78. Actually mine is 151, if you wish to know, as was invited to join Mensa.
I am NOT a member of the BNP and would not join such a political party - i am not a member of any political party as I believe political parties to be NON-DEMOCRATIC, so why have them??
If you care to do a little investigation you would find that both Osbourne (current UK chancellor of the Exchequer) and Mandelleson (ex Labour MP and Lord high Almighty in the Labour movement (only position he does not hold is Archbishop of Canterbury - but I suppose, even as a Jew, he is working on it), were both on holiday TOGETHER in 2009 at the home of The Rotheschilds. Doesn't that sound interesting. Don't you wonder why?? The 2010 election was a very close run thing - were they getting their orders on how to run the economy if either side won??
As to The Holocaust. PLEASE show me ONE arial photograph or photograph taken at ground level when the camps were liberated which shows any form of gas chamber in any of the camps. There are NONE - don't you wonder why????? Maybe there were none. Also interesting that the number allegedly killed has been reduced from 6 million to about one and a half million. The Red Cross who had representatives in ALL camps can only confirm some 271,000 inmates who died, mainly from disease.
World Jewish population in 1938 = just over 15 million (from official figures). World Jewish population in 1946 = 15 million (again from official figures. If 6 million died in the holocaust then between 1945 and 1946, they must have been breeding faster than rabbits!!!! Why not look up the figures yourself - they are all easy to find, IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK.
Yes, as one American said "you can foll some of the people all of the time and you can full all of the people some of the time, but you cannot foll all of the people all of the time." Obviously the general American public are the "some" of the people who are fooled ALL of the time.
Oy Vey! :roll:
I love how they bitch like hell about tuition costs, then why the hell are you on wall street? College tuition has exceeded inflation, even health care inflation. If you got a problem with tuition for goodness sakes march on the universities.
You can post all you like, Karen, but I'll have no truck with a holocaust denier under any circumstances. Goodbye.Quote:
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Don't you just love conspiracy theorists?
No it is not! I have been to the west bank (the west bank of the Jordan river, not some wallstreet bank) And the jewish settlers I met there reminded me very much of the nazis I have seen in hollywood movies. I really dislike what they are doing to the true inhapitants of the land.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
By the way who does this stupid god think he is? - giving somboddy elses land to a religious group? I hope the other gods put him on trial for crimes against divinity one day.
OWS has evolved into something malicious due to the lack of unity in their message. It's impossible to protest effectively without clear unified direction.
The culprit for our economic woes isn't socialism or capitalism, left wing or right wing; it's the banking system being rewarded by the governments for their management failure; it's spending money we don't have; it's corporations and governments sleeping together (what some might call fascism).
Knowing this, a clear concise message needs to be developed to effectively broadcast what the people want. And realistically the march needs to be on DC not wall street.
Kareninfife, if you have an IQ of 151 but cannot spell Rothschild with any consistency it merely proves you passed a test -IQ is clearly not a measure of intelligence.
You have said nothing in your posts that has not been aired in public for decades, in violation of truth based on the documentary evidence provided -in the case of the mass extermination of Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Communists and the disabled- by the Germans who carried out these atrocities, and recorded them on film and in print.
You are free to deny reality, to claim the earth is flat, the moon is made of green cheese and that Martians have green skin, red horns and squeaky voices, but that don't make it so. It is pointless taking on your Abraham Lincoln/Civil War fantasy, because you have already decided it is a fact.
It is dispiriting to find such one-dimensional discrimination on a board devoted to the people who have suffered from it in the past, continue to suffer from it today, and will doubtless be the subject of ridicule and abuse for years to come -you might want to use your energies doing something positive for this community by exchanging your loathing of 'the Rothschilds' for a loathing of prejudice - but it takes courage.
In wi' your gruntle then, puir wheengin' saul,
Lap up the ugsome aidle wi' the lave,
What gin its your ain vomit that you swill
And frae life's gantin' and unfaddomed grave?
As for the consentrationcamps, there is a good reason why the holocaust denier get their message across. The rallity of the camps is much more complex than people normaly think.
The common myth is that 6 milion jews was gased in the consentration camps and that myth is not true. There may wery well have been 6 milion jew who died in WW II but only half of them made it to a consentration camp. There was never more than 3 million jews in the camps and most of them died from starvation, malnutrition, disease and overwork. It is estimated that about 70.000 was subjected to gaschambers. Posibly peoble who was unfit to work and posibly to get rid of them before the russans came.
Of those who didn't make it to consentration camp either died in the Warsaw getto or was mashineguned during "partisan operation" in the Ukarine. There are stories of entire villages who were driven together in the synagogue after the door was locked and a couple of hand grenades thrown inside. The exact number of dead is not know, but the official estimate of 6 milion in total is plausible.
By the way my gransmothers cousin died in a nazi consentration camp. He fell down from a watchtower. ;-)
Heather, its not about numbers, it is about the principle that events in history that have been documented can not be challenged as if they never happened. The Romans really did invade Britain, we have evidence; they were not tourists; they stayed. The pseudo-historian David Irving once dismissed a critic who mentioned Anne Frank as a victim of the Nazi's -he said something like 'she died of typhus' -he didn't explain what a native of Amsterdam was doing in Poland in 1945, its not like she was on holiday. Same with your examples of people who died from hunger, or the Warsaw Ghetto, or the Ukraine. I am not opposed to the exacting standards of history and detailed accounts of what happened, and I accept that when it comes to precise numbers there is a sub-genre in history on this subject; but there is a difference between a more precise documentation of events and kareninfife's need to transform everything political into a unified conspiracy, based on no evidence at all. You could argue that people do not die from Malaria, but from the liver failure brought on by the infection of malarial parasites; that people don't die from AIDS but from cancer, and so on. But there are mosquitoes, there is a Human Immunodeficiency Virus, and there were Nazi's -someone has to make a stand for decency, as an alternative to something sinister, with a track record that shames humanity.
Stavros, No Anne Frank was not on a vacation to poland and the nazis did send a lot of people to consentration camp. Including other nazis who was so unlucky as to loose the internal powerstruggle.
But remember that Pellestinians dont just blow them selves up for the fun of it. They do because sombody stole their land and deny them a future. Those who stole their land happen to be a wacho religious cult who think that their god gave the land to them. Nazis or no nazis.
The worst thing is that the jews (or Israelis if you like) abuse those 6 million dead of WWII so that nobody will dare question their own geneside on the palestinian people.
That I find distasfull.
Heather, the creation of Israel was motivated by political zionism, God and the Holocaust had little to do with it; most of Israel's political leaders have been atheists. Part of the tensions within Israel today are caused by the different agendas of the 'secular' Israelis, most of whom live in the densely populated coastal area between Jaffa and Haifa, and the Settlers and Religious sects who live between Hebron and Jerusalem and other parts of the occupied West Bank. Most of the Israelis who would prefer peace and co-existence with the Arabs have been ignored by the rejectionists led by Netanyahu who opposed to Oslo Accords and governs with fractious small parties in a coalition. The Palestinians do not blow themselves, full stop. The number of suicide bombers is tiny, most Palestinians are prepared to accept a just peace, and do not want violence -but as usual, you only need a small group prepared to cause mayhem and the whole community gets tarred with the one brush. The Holocaust might be used as a political weapon, that is unacceptable, but it happens -but it is a pity the Politics gets ignored in all the emotional twaddle about the Bible and Land, and so on: Israel is a political reality, created for political reasons -which is why there is a political solution -the key, in fact, is to generate trust on both sides, without that, working peace treaties are just pieces of paper.
i thought most of the countries in that region want to drive the jews into the sea as goal .if someone told me that i would not want to be negotiating with them lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
They tend to waffle on that, and it's mostly rhetoric. It's been removed and re-added to the Hamas charter and M.O. many, many times. It has fluctuated more than the over/under on Lindsey Lohan's final arrest count by the time of her death. The most dismal part of the whole thing is that changes are often in response to criticisms from other Islamic hardliners.Quote:
Originally Posted by russtafa
Here's one recent article that discusses the subject in a way that isn't common in the mainstream news media: it actually features a well-reasoned defense of Hamas. But does anyone else think it's time for them to stand up for moderates?
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/27...l-soas-lecture
~BB~
Israel was created as a result of a guilt complex by Europe over their 1000 yr rejection of the Ashkenazi 'Jews' who were displaced after the fall of Khazaria. Those people as someone else mentioned earlier have nothing to do with the Sephardic Hebrew people from the Middle East who have lived with the Arabs for thousands of years. The Ashkenazi/Khazarian people roamed Europe and western Asia getting kicked in every place they went except Poland. Ever since they have managed to usurp the history of the real jews and continued to play on European guilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
And stating that doesn't make me a Holocaust denier.
"The Koran tells me if I die for my homeland, I’m a martyr and I long to be a martyr.”
Bella, HAMAS have had a strange history, that's true -the Israelis promoted HAMAS in the first Intifada in order to drive a wedge between Palestinians and Arafat who was considered the primary 'enemy' -HAMAS has veered between practical-reason prepared to sit down and negotiate with Israel, and the sort of nonsense from Tamimi your link provides, as evidenced in the quote from his speech in London -the Qu'ran does not tell anyone if they die for their homeland they will be a martyr, its just sophistry designed to impress a foreign audience and show defiance in the face of the dreadful siege of Gaza. And saying that Israel should 'come to an end' is also not the same as saying it should be destroyed -after all, if there were to be one state, multi-national, multi-religious and so on, Israel would be the wrong name for it.
Israel was created as a result of a guilt complex by Europe over their 1000 yr rejection of the Ashkenazi 'Jews' who were displaced after the fall of Khazaria. Those people as someone else mentioned earlier have nothing to do with the Sephardic Hebrew people from the Middle East who have lived with the Arabs for thousands of years. The Ashkenazi/Khazarian people roamed Europe and western Asia getting kicked in every place they went except Poland. Ever since they have managed to usurp the history of the real jews and continued to play on European guilt.
And stating that doesn't make me a Holocaust denier.
Runningdownthatdream -I can't agree with you -not just because the 'Khazar herese' is at best unproven, at worst a fantasy, but because modern political Zionism was born out of competing agendas for European Jews. Theodor Herzl's anxiety was driven by physical attacks on the Jews in Russia and also Poland, and Ukraine and the Baltic states on the one hand; and the gradual assimilation of Jews in Germany, France, Britain and the Low Countries, Jews who seemed happy to dilute their 'identity' to take advantage of new opportunities in growing economies. Herzl's vision was a nationalist one, and this in tune with the Nationalist agendas that had been sweeping Europe in the aftermath of the Napoleonic Wars. Everyone wanted their own nation, so why not the Jews? The politics in this is evident in the various alternatives to Palestine that Herzl considered, such as Uganda and Argentina -so much for Eretz Israel and biblical authenticity!! But this is also why so many Jews were offended by Herzl and why there are Jews -non-religious- who object to a Jewish state -because it suggests that it was a Jew, Herzl, who wanted to separate out the Jews from other people in their own state -and ultimately, Europe has lost the greater part of its Jewish population, for obvious reasons. But it was politics, and Nationalism that drove this -nationalism may appear to have been anti-Imperialist in the 19thc, a force for Wilson's promotion of 'Self-determination among nations', but it has become a poisonous wreck of an ideology since then, and Israel is not the only state paying the price for this folly.
The real issue that is growing in importance is the division of the spoils in the Eastern Mediterranean where modest, but still lucrative gas fields, possibly some oil, lie off the coast in an arc stretching from offshore Alexandria north along the coast of Gaza and Israel into Lebanon. Noting biblical about that! But who is going to own it? And produce it, and...spend it...