Bob, you need to learn the difference between voter fraud and in-person voter fraud. That former cannot be stopped by asking for a picture ID at the polls. The latter very rarely happens.
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Bob, you need to learn the difference between voter fraud and in-person voter fraud. That former cannot be stopped by asking for a picture ID at the polls. The latter very rarely happens.
Thank you for once again demonstrating the quality of your character... rather than address anything I said... you label me a birther.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
And yet many of those same states make picture IDs avalible to those who cannot afford one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProsperoIt is a ploy in Republican controlled states to disenfranchise the poorest voters - many of who are Democrats. Even some state's courts have recogaThank you for once again demonstrating the quality of your character... rather than address anything I said... you label me a birther.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
And yet many of those same states make picture IDs avalible to those who cannot afford one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Of course you ignore the fact that some state courts have also upheld such laws (Pennsylvania)... or the fact that the DOJ has signed off on others (ex: New Hampshire)nised this.
Of course you ignore the fact that some state courts have also upheld such laws (Pennsylvania)... or the fact that the DOJ has signed off on others (ex: New Hampshire)... so let me guess... the judges who ruled against such laws are wise and true... but those who allowed such laws are racists and trying to keep the poor from voting? Riiiight.
Voter fraud is voter fraud... regardless of kind... as (as I’ve said) there are many kinds... and unlike you, I think reasonable steps should be taken to prevent it at all levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
In a rational system, you create a defense-in-depth strategy too make it as hard as possible to commit such fraud.
We scrub voter rolls of felons, the dead, those who have moved and registered elsewhere, as well as those otherwise ineligible (and shouldn’t have been on them in the first place).
You create an artificial barrier to say "We should do nothing about the possibility in-person voter fraud (which obviously is a whole nother kind!!!) because it simply doesn't exist"... all the why denying a very useful way to detect if it was attempted.
Again though... why let irrational ranting get in the way of facts?
Did you know that after Georgia instituted their voter ID law (which by the way has been upheld by the courts)... they actually saw turnout increase?
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However, a Heritage Foundation report using state data said Georgia has issued 26,000 voter IDs since its law passed, and minority turnout has spiked in recent years. Even without Obama on the ballot, the 2010 midterm election saw a 66 percent increase in Latino voters and a 44 percent increase in African-American voters over 2006. The white vote grew 11 percent.
Apparently you don't. You're in hysterics about in-person voting fraud which takes place once in a blue moon and your party is neither saying nor doing anything whatsoever about any other kind of voter fraud. The photo ID laws are design only to be effective against the kind of fraud that doesn't take place...the in-person voter fraud. To stop one potential irregular vote you are willing to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of people. But that doesn't matter because those will be predominately democratic vote. We see your game.Quote:
I think reasonable steps should be taken to prevent it at all levels.
We are so easy going in UK - they send you a voting reminder card, which you don't have to take the polling station. You get there and say you are Fred Blogs - the clerk draws a line through your name in the register - writes a number on your voting slip (the only safeguard), stamps the slip. You go behind a curtain and using the special blunt little pencil hanging off a string you put a 'X' against the name you want elected. Fold slip in half and put in ballot box. Seems to work without much problem.
But as they say in Ireland - vote early, vote often
Stealing my picture - going to have to ask you for your photo IDQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
Interesting article from 2004:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_...-election.html
Always good to see you posting, Comrade BURBS. The historical part of the article was fun and interesting. The second part is when the author shows his true colors. He ends by saying "wouldn't it be better if we did something about the problem now—even if it's as simple as requiring everyone who votes to show an ID?" But it's not that simple and his whole article demonstrated that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYBURBS
All the nastiness he reported involved registration problems, registration fraud, election fraud and voter fraud committed by people with ID. I'm sure as Hell not defending any of it, but none of it could have been prevented by demanding photo ID at the polling place.
I got a kick out of the part where the author suggest that folks who register to vote when renewing their driver's license are somehow not showing ID. WTF?
Then he goes into the Florida 2000 debacle. He makes some points, but he states "Election officials wrongly identified thousands of people as felons, most of them minorities, thus preventing them from voting under the state's election laws." Then he says " 5,600 people voted whose names matched those of convicted felons". As I recall, there were 50-80k legal voters misidentified as felons and prevented from voting. I don't remember the exact figure, but it was a HELL of a lot more than 5600.
Look, let's fix our election system. Let's try to get rid of all the horseshit, including the vote caging and other dirty tricks repubs are so fond of. We shouldn't do it by making good people jump through hoops to get photo ID, because that only prevents a very tiny % of fraud and does potentially stop a much larger number of American citizens from voting.
Be well, BURBS.
This was just too good to pass up. Here's a tweet from the Mad Money guy, Jim Cramer - "I have a problem. My dad, a vet, won't be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can't prove his citizenship." http://www.bradblog.com/
A little later in the article the Bradblog links an article about an ancient case used by the judge who upheld the Pennsylvania photo ID law. Here's some delicious quotes from that 1869 ruling:
“rogues and strumpets do not nightly traverse the deserted highways of the farmer. Low inns, restaurants, sailors’ boarding-houses and houses of ill fame do not abound in rural precincts, ready to pour out on election day their pestilent hordes.”
“would be to place the vicious vagrant, the wandering Arabs, the Tartar hordes of our large cities, on a level with the virtuous and good man.”
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Originally Posted by buttslinger
That's what happens when you win elections. If your team wasn't "shellacked" in the 2010 elections, there wouldn't be so many new Republican Governors and State Legislators , but you were shellacked, and these new governors are implementing voter ID laws that are supported by the citizens of those states. Now do you understand how it works ? As Barry said to McCain during the 2009 Health Care Summit...."John..we won" I say..."Buttsucker...you lost".