What To Do About Syria

i am syrian, u people here have no idea what u r talking about! it is amazing how well the fucking media in the US brainwashes everyone there. it sickens me to read that the country which is funding the terrorists beheading us and raping our children and this coming right after they bombed fallujah with enough white phosphor to cause 15% of newborns to come with all kinds of weird deformations like having extra legs and arms and cancer.

u should know that the majority of syrians are more than happy to die for our country and specifically for our leader president bashar al assad, and that we fully back what our amazing army is doing to combat the hateful militias backed specifically by uncle sam and of course the saudis and the rest of the gulf scum, i also assure everyone that we have more than enough missiles set aside to turn the USA's precious gulf to hell. how idiotic is it to think that the zionism, iperialism, gulf wahabis, and of course satan itself which is the turks all want what's good for syria. yes the saudis are such a good example of liberty, whipping women for trying on nail polish is exactly what we need to spread around the world.

syria is like no other place in the world, damascus is the oldest continuously inhibited city in the world, we are not going to be defeated by scum that hardly have any place in history.

the USA can continue to send via turkey all the suicide bombers to bomb children and then the next day bomb the funeral of these children it wants, it will not make any difference.

u people can continue jerking off while watching CNN and enjoy the enhanced doses of brainwashing. i wonder if the iraqis with their modest capabilities managed to kill that many foreign invading soldiers and caused tons more to commit suicide, how many will syria harvest. i was friends with many americans here including ones in the UNDOF and other UN missions, i can confidently say that it is better for them to find other jobs that enlisting in the army for 4 years or whatever. they have no motive to die for, they r lost confused disparate children.

right, a 64 year old visitor from iran is now republican guard members! very believable especially when u show an entry permit claiming it is proof that he is in fact a republican guard, that sure adds a lot of credibility.

i am sure CNN played this like a million times because it sure wants everyone to know what happens everywhere in teh world:

Evidence of Media Complicity With Terrorists Slitting Throats in Syria - YouTube

i am sure CNN also daily shows u how the saudi forces chase protestors with cars and run them over. sure the saudis are very humane and that is why they r best friends with the US, only the syrians are evil, killing someone firing RPG-7 shells are a monetary is surely not justifiable!! pissing on dead afghan farmers after killing them like the US soldiers do is the right thing ethically and morally, yes the US should rule the world with its compassion and humanity.

So Bishr,
Are you saying there would be no Free Syrian Army without foreign assistance? You also do not think Assad is a dictator who has engaged in inhumane excesses in fighting the rebels? I read that some soldiers in Assad's army were killed for not shooting unarmed demonstrators. I read this on Al Jazeera. I am not saying you are wrong, but surely there must be some resistance to Assad even without the undue influence of zionism, imperialism, gulf wahabbism, and satan.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

So Bishr,
Are you saying there would be no Free Syrian Army without foreign assistance? You also do not think Assad is a dictator who has engaged in inhumane excesses in fighting the rebels? I read that some soldiers in Assad's army were killed for not shooting unarmed demonstrators. I read this on Al Jazeera. I am not saying you are wrong, but surely there must be some resistance to Assad even without the undue influence of zionism, imperialism, gulf wahabbism, and satan.

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what i am saying is that there is no such thing as the free syrian shit, it is made up of many many separate groups of the scum of society, mainly smugglers, wanted criminals, drug dealers and their followers, and of course the majority are brainwashed jihadists who somehow got convinced that killing people is what god wants and is what islam wants. all of these were happily funded by the wonderful people at saudi arabia and qatar to bring democracy to syria, they don't even have a parliament in qatar and in saudi arabia, the biggest thing the city council can decide for example is which road to give a fresh coat of tarmac.

of course the rebels wouldn't have been able to do this much damage without foreign aid! for god sakes most of them can't read!!! how would they exist in the first place if turkey and lebanon wasn't providing territories and training camps for them??? do u think the syrian army would have let armed rebels thrive within syria for so long? do u think they r executing their attacks on vital military bases and everything related to electricity and oil without direct help from the CIA in turkey with satellite images and info on the movement of syrian troops???

what kind of fucked up so called army would want a guy like this Riad Al As3ad leading it!!! the guy is a failed desk officer who defected to turkey and has a shitty record of failing every chance to up his rank for years! jesus how does the media feed people so much crap! i mean another guy who is referred to as a doctor wahid sakr is in fact someone who didn't make it past the ninth grade and was fired from the police for stealing cars yet u see him on the news channels discussing the future of syria and carrying the message of the syrian people to the world!

u can't be more wrong about our president and this is coming from someone who gets no special benefit from what the media calls the syrian regime at all other than being an average syrian citizen, and i am not from the same religious sect he is. he is a symbol and the only hope for us to move forward.

as for the peaceful protestors u r talking about that the army is forcing soldiers to kill, i want to tell u that there was not a single day here of peaceful protests since it started, and if the army wanted to kill these protestors (which i completely disagree that they should be called that), would it ask ordinary soldiers to do that and risk such exposure especially since syria is made up of so many sects and groups that all have to serve in the military??? wasn't it obvious that these soldiers might refuse and then they would have to kill him? couldn't they use special forces to take out these protestors?? such a silly hypothesis. it is no secret that we have brutal special forces! it is a matter of pride that they r there to do their work when duty calls, read about the so called darya massacre, the stupid rebels were having fun throwing mortar shells at a nearby military airport and running wild in darya, and after that within 48 hours 440 of them were shot dead at close range combat, so the fact is that when the syrian army takes it decision to act, it does so with massive impact and without worrying about some soldier refusing to follow orders.

please don't even mention qatar's aljazeera, it is the most blood thirsty channel in the world, it is just sickening how far they go, but qatar will learn its lesson soon, it is not even a country, it is a petrol and gas station with an american military base occupying almost half its land!!! where is aljazeera's coverage of what is happening in bahrain??? where is it revealing reports about the saudi forces that occupied bahrain to control the protests there? why doesn't it cry over the people being shot directly in the eyes with rubber bullets there? what about the prisoners there that lost their speech ability from constant execution? where are the reports on what all the wahabi fuckers call the hula conquest which aljazeera calls the hula massacre, why doesn't aljazeera show its viewers that countless saudis and many other enemies were thrilled that their militias managed to slay so many children there!!! did aljazeera say that they were mostly relatives of a syrian parliament member that the militias warned not to participate in the parliament? how come when covering protests syria they say there were thousands in a protest when it is in fact made up of only tens of people including many children getting slapped on the face when failing to raise the signs high enough??? haven't u seen any of these on youtube??? how come when over 2 million people gather in a march to support our country aljazeera calls them a few thousand government employees forced to participate to save their jobs????

if our president was a dictator spewing his hate on this resistance u talk about, wouldn't he know better than to commit a massacre specifically every time there is a meeting in the security council??? is he deliberately trying to embarrass russia and china??? speaking of the security council reminds me of that whore susan rice who is disgusted by the 3 vetos from russia and china!!! isn't the bitch disgusted from the over 60 vetos that the USA made to protect israel's right to bomb and starve the Palestinians and take down their houses and unleash its hate on everything belonging to them especially the countless olive trees they used bulldozers to kill????

doesn't anyone follow what for example Webster Tarpley reports from syria? Thierry Meyssan also giving first hand accounts of what is happening? Robert Fisk as well? George Galloway??????

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...s-8073717.html

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Originally Posted by bishr

what i am saying is that there is no such thing as the free syrian shit, it is made up of many many separate groups of the scum of society, mainly smugglers, wanted criminals, drug dealers and their followers, and of course the majority are brainwashed jihadists who somehow got convinced that killing people is what god wants and is what islam wants.
doesn't anyone follow what for example Webster Tarpley reports from syria? Thierry Meyssan also giving first hand accounts of what is happening? Robert Fisk as well? George Galloway??????

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Bishr, you should probably read through the posts in this thread, the opinions expressed are not extreme for the most part, and some of us are more informed on Syria than you think is the case.

You know that the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria was founded in the 1930s and that it split in the 1960s, much as Syrian politics has been characterised by division for the last 100 years, even though early examples of Arab Nationalism surfaced as early as the 1870s in the journal al-Jinan and formed part of the growing opposition to Ottoman rule. To describe either the leadership or the members of the Syrian opposition as the scum of society, mainly smugglers, wanted criminals, drug dealers and their followers is either ignorance or a childish insult.

I don't carry a torch for the Brotherhood or any other opposition group, but then I am not Syrian anyway -but they have existed long enough, and represent enough people in Syria to be accepted as one of the groups who must expect to win seats in an election in a democratic election -as indeed they did in the 1960s- and be given an input into the formation of a new Syiran government. Whether or not the Islamic opposition can find any unity among themselves I doubt, and it is clear that this a fundamental weakness that has enabled the Asad government to continue.

Indeed, bitter divisions have characterised Syrian politics since 1920 and you only need to look at the fate of the Ba'ath Party to understand how pervasive this lack of unity has been, not least when Hafez al-Asad sentenced Michel Aflaq to death in 1971 -for what? Violence has played a key role in the creation of a military capitalist state in Syria, what Hafez al-Asad did, in addition to infiltrating the army into every part of the economy, was to create networks of patronage which benefited many Syrians, yet Syria, which was one of the richest, and also politically liberal regions in the Middle East in 1900, is now one of the poorest, badly organised, politically and violently divided, and in spite of Hafez al-Asad's posturing, totally incapable of regaining al-Jawlan from Israel, not by negotiation, not by force. A stability of terror can only last so long, and the longer it goes on, the less likely it is going to end in a peaceful transition from the current political system to a new one.

Bashar al-Asad did not want to go into politics, but because he came from outside it, it was assumed he would in fact be able to reform Syria. Ten years later and he has shown himself out of touch, inept, and as willing to condone violence as his father, even if Bashar himself is not in control of the military. Indeed, as I said in another post, he could die tonight and the military would continue as it is. But he is no innocent, he knew what his father had done to stay in power, and by using the army to attack its own population, Bashar has sealed his warrant -if not death, then exile in Russia, where his wife is and, incidentally, not a few wealthy Syrians.

When you cite Robert Fisk, do you not also cite a journalist who has spent the last 30 odd years attacking Hafez al-Assad? From the aggressive attempt to force Lebanon into a de facto province of Syria throughout the 1970s and 1980s, the shabby attacks on Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon in the 1980s that Asad insisted on just to spite Arafat, to the savage attacks on Hama in 1982; not to mention the various armed groups and murderers -PFLP-GC, Carlos 'the Jackal', Alois Brunner to name but a few who all had their time in Damascus, at your expense, if indeed you are Syrian.

You can admit that Syria is in the process of change, or you can fight against it. You have not actually produced a coherent analysis of the situation, which is a pity because there isn't enough of it. We are aware on this thread of the support being given to all sides in this conflict, some of us hope that in the near future Bashar al-Assad will do the right thing, and begin a process of change that will remove the strait-jacket that has prevented Syria from expressing itself for the past 42 years. It would be better for you to join that debate than dismiss your fellow countrymen as idiots. We would also welcome a serious debate on the issue in this forum.

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http://news.yahoo.com/russia-rebuffs...152652475.html

Russia rebuffs Clinton on Syria, Iran penalties

By MATTHEW LEE | Associated Press – 4 hrs ago


VLADIVOSTOK, Russia (AP) — Russia on Saturday soundly rejected U.S. calls for increased pressure on Syrian President Bashar Assad to relinquish power. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton tried to prod Moscow into supporting U.N. action to end the crisis in Syria and she expressed hope that Congress would repeal Cold War-era trade restrictions on Russia.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, after meeting Clinton on the sidelines of a meeting of Pacific Rim leaders, told reporters that Moscow is opposed to U.S.-backed penalties against the Assad government, in addition to new ones against Iran over its nuclear program, because they harm Russian commercial interests.
"Our American partners have a prevailing tendency to threaten and increase pressure, adopt ever more sanctions against Syria and against Iran," Lavrov said. "Russia is fundamentally against this, since for resolving problems you have to engage the countries you are having issues with and not isolate them."
"Unilateral U.S. sanctions against Syria and Iran increasingly take on an extraterritorial character, directly affecting the interests of Russian business, in particular banks," he said. "We clearly stated that this was unacceptable, and they listened to us. What the result will be, I don't know."
Clinton, who also met with Russian President Vladimir Putin during the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum summit in Vladivostok, had urged Moscow to reconsider its opposition to the penalties, particularly against Syria in order to convince Assad that he should agree to a political transition, according to a senior U.S. official.
Clinton told her Russian counterpart that the Security Council needed to do more to send "a strong message" to Assad, given the escalating level of violence in Syria, said the official, who was present during the meeting. Clinton made clear to Lavrov that the Security Council risks "abrogating its responsibility" if it fails to act.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the conversation was private.
Russia and China have blocked three Security Council resolutions that would have punished Syria if the Assad government did not accept a negotiated political transition. Clinton said in Beijing this past week that the U.S. was "disappointed" by the vetoes.
She had earlier called the actions "appalling" and said they put Russia and China on the "wrong side of history." That assertion was rejected by Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi at a news conference with Clinton on Wednesday, when Yang said history would prove China's position to be correct.
On Saturday, Lavrov said Russia's opposition to penalizing Syria was based on the premise that "they don't achieve anything."
The question of sanctions against Syria and Iran will be a main topic of conversation among officials later this month at the U.N. General Assembly, and the U.S. official said Clinton had discussed both with Putin during dinner in Vladivostok.
Clinton, who's in Russia's Far East representing President Barack Obama at the APEC summit, also discussed with Putin topics including wildlife conservation, the upcoming winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia, and bilateral trade and investment, the official said.
Despite Russia's refusal to join the U.S. and its allies in seeking more pressure against Syria and Iran, Clinton told business leaders at the APEC meeting that the Obama administration wants Congress to repeal a 1974 law that denies Russia normal trade relations with the U.S because of Soviet-era laws restricting the emigration of Jews.
Now that Russia has joined the World Trade Organization, Clinton said the Obama administration is "working closely" with lawmakers on that issue and hopes that "Congress will pass on this important piece of legislation this month."
At the same time, Washington is looking for Russia to play a greater role in the Asia-Pacific region as the U.S. tries to quell growing maritime tensions.
Territorial disputes, including between U.S. allies Japan and South Korea, sparked by nationalist rhetoric have fueled fears of conflict.
Clinton has spent the last week in the region urging peaceful resolutions to competing territorial claims between China and its smaller neighbors in the South China Sea. The U.S. wants to see the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and China establish quickly a code of conduct for the area to be followed by a mechanism to resolve the conflicts peacefully without intimidation, coercion or clashes.
She began Saturday by signing an agreement with Lavrov that will enhance U.S.-Russia scientific cooperation in the Antarctic, as well as link national parks on either side of the Bering Strait.





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Associated Press/Mikhail Metzel,Pool - Russian President Vladimir Putin, left, meets U.S. Secretary of State
Hillary Rodham Clinton on her arrival at the APEC summit in Vladivostok, Russia, Saturday, Sept. 8, 2012.
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