Somali Pirates Are So Dumb. LOL & Double LOL

phobun writes

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You're casting them as victims of economic deprivation and therefore you are rationalizing, and in a way, excusing, their behavior.

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So you believe that being a victim of economic deprivation justifies and excuses criminal behavior. Or at least that’s what your accusation implies. I personally do not think that economic deprivation justifies or excuses criminal behavior. It does go a long way in EXPLAINING the statistics of criminal behavior.

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And if you are willing to understand the deeper motivations (which you ascribe to poverty) of the teen pirates, why not do the same for the wealthy warlords and financiers who arm African teens, who also quite likely started life in poverty?

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Why not? I know, because in your head there’s no way to place a wall between understanding and justifying.

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Originally Posted by trish

phobun writes

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You're casting them as victims of economic deprivation and therefore you are rationalizing, and in a way, excusing, their behavior.

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So you believe that being a victim of economic deprivation justifies and excuses criminal behavior. Or at least that’s what your accusation implies. I personally do not think that economic deprivation justifies or excuses criminal behavior. It does go a long way in EXPLAINING the statistics of criminal behavior.

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Explaining, rationalizing... parse your verb.
How do you explain the many many rich people who engage in criminal behavior, or the vast majority of poor people who are not criminals? Would Bernie Madoff's crimes be more understandable if they were borne of deprivation?

Phobun.

You say that casting those pirates as victims of economic deprivation (because they live in a war torn hell hole) cannot explain their behaviour?

You see there is a difference between explanation and an excuse.

All either I or Trish have tried to do is explain the why of this. Once that is understood, and the recent history of the country, how to stop it is clear.

The next time any faction is either popular and/or brutal enough to kick the asses of every other faction, and impose some kind of actual order there, let's just let them do it and mind our business. (Which likely means letting an Islamic state exist there.)

Why is that objectionable to you. What did any muslim ever do personally and directly to you?

Obviously greed is a motivation for lots of criminal behavior. Certainly economic deprivation would poorly explain the Madoffs of this world. Just as obviously, dirt poor orphans living on the street can easily recruited into lives of crime. There’s nothing difficult to explain here. If you wish to see such deprivation and recruitment as a justification of thievery be my guest. But don’t ascribe such leaps of deduction to me. If you do equate explanation with justification, may I suggest that’s why you are reluctant to accept economic deprivation as a explanatory factor in some criminal behaviors.

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Originally Posted by BrendaQG

Phobun.

You say that casting those pirates as victims of economic deprivation (because they live in a war torn hell hole) cannot explain their behaviour?

You see there is a difference between explanation and an excuse.

All either I or Trish have tried to do is explain the why of this. Once that is understood, and the recent history of the country, how to stop it is clear.

The next time any faction is either popular and/or brutal enough to kick the asses of every other faction, and impose some kind of actual order there, let's just let them do it and mind our business. (Which likely means letting an Islamic state exist there.)

Why is that objectionable to you. What did any muslim ever do personally and directly to you?

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This is not about Islam, or the superstition of any other religion. I criticized you in your last 2 posts for writing "and other white Christian thieving bastards", and for appealing to religious demagoguery and superstitition. As I tried to ask you before, aren't you a wannabe physicist? Because you don't sound like a physicist, most of whom are not religious, nor do you seem very educated.

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Originally Posted by trish

Obviously greed is a motivation for lots of criminal behavior. Certainly economic deprivation would poorly explain the Madoffs of this world. Just as obviously, dirt poor orphans living on the street can easily recruited into lives of crime. There’s nothing difficult to explain here. If you wish to see such deprivation and recruitment as a justification of thievery be my guest. But don’t ascribe such leaps of deduction to me.

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I'm sorry, I don't follow your logic.

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Originally Posted by trish

If you do equate explanation with justification, may I suggest that’s why you are reluctant to accept economic deprivation as a explanatory factor in some criminal behaviors.

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So avoiding the words "justify" or "excuse", how do you explain how most economically deprived people are good and law-abiding, while many rich kids get involved in crime, as well as many rich adults. If your explanation of economic deprivation is good enough to explain why a minority of poor people engage in piracy, why is the same explanation useless for these other questions? Perhaps economic deprivation is not the best explanation for crime? Are you willing to consider that?

Yes it is about Islam. People get hijacked and robbed on the high seas all around the world yet only one place does it get reported, and made to look like the only place it happens.

As for being economically deprived, being the cause... what is the first step to a solution? How about having a government to enforce laws and contracts instead of tribal clan law, and the law of who has more guns? The economy can take care of itself from there.

The only alternative I have seen on HA ,on other websites, on TV and radio is to do violence to Somalia. If that would have worked it would have worked a long time ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcyGStVc8QY

So your contention is that economic deprivation is never a factor in criminal behavior, in spite of the statistical fact that criminal behavior is positively correlated with deprivation. Your contention is that street orphans living from hand to mouth are not easy targets for recruitment into exploitive criminal organizations, in spite of the fact that just such scenarios are the staple of literature and film from Great Expectations to Slumdog Millionaire. I was under the impression that most people were capable of seeing the connection between economic deprivation and crime. You really want to say poverty is not statistically linked to crime and is not a likely a causal factor?

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Originally Posted by BrendaQG

Yes it is about Islam.

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You're paranoid too. Just respond to the points I made in my last post.

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Originally Posted by BrendaQG

People get hijacked and robbed on the high seas all around the world yet only one place does it get reported, and made to look like the only place it happens.

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There is a serious pirate problem in the Malacca straits off the coast of Indonesia, but I'll leave it to you to say whether they are true Muslims.

Personally, I don't think the world's piracy problems are related to Islam.