Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Originally Posted by
Michelle Firestone
I’m not ignoring it. Choking is a part of porn. So is ass to mouth and slapping. I don’t believe Christian would purposely choke too long or after tapping out. She included the chair being uncomfortable like it’s an offense to her by Christian himself. Plus tons of other inconsequential things. With the context and tone of her story I feel like any choking at all would be described later as too much and malicious. No matter what actually happened.
Yes absolutely I’m saying she is being as petty as possible. That’s what she’s doing. You don’t find what they’re doing disparaging to victims of actual abuse? No, it’s not ok to not pay someone. Yes, it’s ok to tell people he didn’t pay what he said. That’s obvious. I don’t care to talk about that because they’re calling him an abuser, and I don’t believe it. That’s kinda what I’m focusing on.
She obviously had a bad experience. She said she quit porn right after, so I think it’s safe to say she made the wrong choice to perform in the first place? Or at least if there’s sex acts that are going to instantly turn the situation from normal everyday scene into emotional distress then she should probably mention it. Or communicate and after the first limit was broken stop and make it clear what is and isn’t ok. Otherwise if you don’t do that, you’ll have a bad time making porn when your limits keep getting broken and no one but you has any idea.
Choking is apart of porn just like DPs, spitting or hard spanking is apart of porn. Not everyone does those acts because not everyone likes it. And again, your experience doesn't negate hers. You don't believe he would go overboard with the choking, but Oriana's story says otherwise. Whether they are true or not is another story but I'm looking at applying her experience universally. Regardless of intent, the responsibility still falls on him. He's supposed to meet her halfway. She did her part(she tapped), he did not (he didn't let up). He either didn't care or he was so into the moment and detached from her that it just didn't register. Either way, it is inexcusable on his part. Supposed pettiness aside, you can still pick out several of the more serious issues.
You discounting her accounts by pulling the "what about 'real' victims?" shows how far you are willing to go to excuse his behavior. Ignoring someone's physical limitations/consent is abuse.
"Wrong choice" is not because of her. She wasn't the offender. That's like saying Nancy Kerrigan made a mistake by pursuing ice skating in the Olympics because Tanya Harding had someone kneecap her and then Nancy getting on television and saying Tonya's ice skates were and ugly color. It doesn't matter if there are a few petty things sprinkled in there. Real issues are still at the forefront.
Like I mentioned before, she expressed her displeasure verbally(telling him that she's not doing anything that didn't pertain to the scene on camera) and physically (pushing him away when he tried to kiss her, tapping him when he choked her). She made her feelings clear. You say you aren't ignoring it but if you don't see the clarity in some of her boundaries, then you are.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Originally Posted by
Michelle Firestone
I’m not ignoring it. Choking is a part of porn. So is ass to mouth and slapping. I don’t believe Christian would purposely choke too long or after tapping out. She included the chair being uncomfortable like it’s an offense to her by Christian himself. Plus tons of other inconsequential things. With the context and tone of her story I feel like any choking at all would be described later as too much and malicious. No matter what actually happened.
Yes absolutely I’m saying she is being as petty as possible. That’s what she’s doing. You don’t find what they’re doing disparaging to victims of actual abuse? No, it’s not ok to not pay someone. Yes, it’s ok to tell people he didn’t pay what he said. That’s obvious. I don’t care to talk about that because they’re calling him an abuser, and I don’t believe it. That’s kinda what I’m focusing on.
She obviously had a bad experience. She said she quit porn right after, so I think it’s safe to say she made the wrong choice to perform in the first place? Or at least if there’s sex acts that are going to instantly turn the situation from normal everyday scene into emotional distress then she should probably mention it. Or communicate and after the first limit was broken stop and make it clear what is and isn’t ok. Otherwise if you don’t do that, you’ll have a bad time making porn when your limits keep getting broken and no one but you has any idea.
You'd clearly jump through hoops to defend this asshole, regardless of allegations
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
One word to Christian. Unless you're getting fucked, I ain't watching your videos.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Originally Posted by
GroobySteven
At a webmaster show in London. Will answer over the weekend or earlier when I get a break.
Hi Steven, If you do chose to address this, it might workout better as a post on your blog, since at times this thread gets a little derailed.
For those that haven't clicked on it yet, Steven's blog can be quite informative. Makes a good read.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
the point about uncomfy chair (and the whole thread) reminds me of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf_Y4MbUCLY&t=279s
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Originally Posted by
SanDiegoPervySage
Choking is apart of porn just like DPs, spitting or hard spanking is apart of porn. Not everyone does those acts because not everyone likes it. And again, your experience doesn't negate hers. You don't believe he would go overboard with the choking, but Oriana's story says otherwise. Whether they are true or not is another story but I'm looking at applying her experience universally. Regardless of intent, the responsibility still falls on him. He's supposed to meet her halfway. She did her part(she tapped), he did not (he didn't let up). He either didn't care or he was so into the moment and detached from her that it just didn't register. Either way, it is inexcusable on his part. Supposed pettiness aside, you can still pick out several of the more serious issues.
You discounting her accounts by pulling the "what about 'real' victims?" shows how far you are willing to go to excuse his behavior. Ignoring someone's physical limitations/consent is abuse.
"Wrong choice" is not because of her. She wasn't the offender. That's like saying Nancy Kerrigan made a mistake by pursuing ice skating in the Olympics because Tanya Harding had someone kneecap her and then Nancy getting on television and saying Tonya's ice skates were and ugly color. It doesn't matter if there are a few petty things sprinkled in there. Real issues are still at the forefront.
Like I mentioned before, she expressed her displeasure verbally(telling him that she's not doing anything that didn't pertain to the scene on camera) and physically (pushing him away when he tried to kiss her, tapping him when he choked her). She made her feelings clear. You say you aren't ignoring it but if you don't see the clarity in some of her boundaries, then you are.
i love how because Oriana Frost said it then it must be 100 percent true. don't ask for the other side of the story, don't look any deeper into it...she said it so its 100 percent a fact. truly the mark of a super fanboi.
i mean oriana frost has no problem going nuts about how terrible the trip was, but then you are supposed to believe that i choked her almost to unconciousness and she just took it and didn't say anything? so she refused to let me kiss her but choking is fine? I also want to point out that these scenes happened about 3 years ago but Oriana somehow remembers every single detail like it was yesterday.
Look I will admit that I booked her for those scenes in some of my first attempts to produce content that I paid for rather than just trading content with other models. She was one of the first girls that I paid for her flight. I made a lot of mistakes on that trip, but one of my mistakes was not realizing Oriana doesn't like men, doesn't like authority, doesn't like anyone telling her what to do, and doesn't like sex in general. I had no idea about any of this because I only met her online. Sometimes as a producer you learn the hard way that some models aren't cut out for this biz. Going to a set where you are about to be intimate and telling someone that you don't want to be intimate isn't really going to make the day better. You do realize that in order to perform a sex scene that the male performer has to have a hard cock right? Try going into a room with a girl that tells you she wants nothing to do with you and then get your dick hard and keep it hard.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Originally Posted by
LongTom101
You'd clearly jump through hoops to defend this asshole, regardless of allegations
haha i've only met her twice briefly and never hired and never worked with her. She is simply stating logical facts and not being a super fanboi like yourself.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Originally Posted by
christianxxx
i love how because Oriana Frost said it then it must be 100 percent true. don't ask for the other side of the story, don't look any deeper into it...she said it so its 100 percent a fact. truly the mark of a super fanboi.
i mean oriana frost has no problem going nuts about how terrible the trip was, but then you are supposed to believe that i choked her almost to unconciousness and she just took it and didn't say anything? so she refused to let me kiss her but choking is fine? I also want to point out that these scenes happened about 3 years ago but Oriana somehow remembers every single detail like it was yesterday.
Look I will admit that I booked her for those scenes in some of my first attempts to produce content that I paid for rather than just trading content with other models. She was one of the first girls that I paid for her flight. I made a lot of mistakes on that trip, but one of my mistakes was not realizing Oriana doesn't like men, doesn't like authority, doesn't like anyone telling her what to do, and doesn't like sex in general. I had no idea about any of this because I only met her online. Sometimes as a producer you learn the hard way that some models aren't cut out for this biz. Going to a set where you are about to be intimate and telling someone that you don't want to be intimate isn't really going to make the day better. You do realize that in order to perform a sex scene that the male performer has to have a hard cock right? Try going into a room with a girl that tells you she wants nothing to do with you and then get your dick hard and keep it hard.
Aye, like I said earlier, whether or not Oriana is telling the truth is an entirely different story. As of right now, the screenshots only prove that you are creepy, immature and a diva. And if you haven't noticed, you have some fanboys/fangirls caping for you.
Also, like she mentioned, she tapped you when she was being choked. Everyone knows what tapping means. You don't need to verbalize it(although it certainly would've helped to do that as well). You really think someone can't recall a story from three whole years ago in detail? Especially one that is particularly memorable to the one telling it? In all your years of living, you've never heard anyone recall an event in detail that happened three or more years ago?......Aight man...
And everything else you mentioned, I guess those are the challenges of porn. If her story is true and the initial interaction and the following ones throughout the day before the shoot were as bad as how she presented it, obviously she isn't going to be in an intimate mood. I don't know what to tell you. Finally, just because she isn't into you doesn't mean she isn't into men. She said she's into younger, toned guys.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Originally Posted by
christianxxx
i love how because Oriana Frost said it then it must be 100 percent true. don't ask for the other side of the story, don't look any deeper into it...she said it so its 100 percent a fact.
Dude, it's not like you haven't had ample opportunity to refute any or all of the allegations. No one is censoring you. No one has declared you guilty. No one has called you a liar.
I AM SURE WE ALL WANT TO HEAR YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY. But you really haven't given it. It's a week since the original post and still, unless I've missed the post, you haven't said straight up, these incidents didn't happen. Or even, a simple, maybe I fucked up.
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christianxxx
I made a lot of mistakes on that trip...
Above is the closest you've come to taking any sort of responsibility and that's just to preface saying that Oriana was really at fault because she doesn't like men, etc., etc.
No denial and no taking of responsibility. What are we supposed to think? They're all lying and/or exaggerating and you didn't do any of this shit when (and correct me if I'm wrong) you never said you didn't.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
i've seen your work Christian, and i like how you've got many of the top names in TS porn. i don't believe in envy, but youve fucked/been fucked by people i'd anything to fuck/get fucked by.
but then if these allegations aren't true, have you pissed/ticked anybody off? or made enemies? envious people want to fuck you up? either way, get a lawyer, or get them to put up or shut up.
