Oh yeah that looks like a very scienticifific webshite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1IbRujko-A
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Oh yeah that looks like a very scienticifific webshite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1IbRujko-A
To be honest it's all a bit of a joke! We, thanks to the bureaucrats in Brussels, have had industries shut down(coal mining), congestion charges inflicted on us, car taxes rising for older vehicles, humongous increases on energy bills while the rest of the world do what the fuck they like!
The US & China being two culprits.....
& if that's not hard enough to swallow; I've been made redundant because of it!
Just to appease a few do-gooders! :yayo:
But Peejaye, climate change was not the reason the mines closed -most of them had closed by the end of the 1960s because oil and gas was a cheaper and more efficient source of fuel, and because the factories that used coal also closed, if not in the 60s then in the 70s. I would not be surprised if there are now more people working in green energy in the UK than coal. Coongestion charges were introduced in London because of, er....congestion, not global warming...Quote:
Originally Posted by peejaye
Another one who doesn't bother to research anything before sounding off. That may be true of the US under Trump, but China is actually doing quite a lot to reduce emissions, including shutting down coal mines. http://grist.org/climate-energy/7-si...limate-change/Quote:
Originally Posted by peejaye
If you'd taken a few seconds to google you'd have found numerous articles in a similar vein.
Peejaye, please do not fall for the communist newspeak. They are no do-gooders. They are communists. The way it works is as follows:
- Tell workers they are being oppressed and need to create a trade union that will fight for privileges for its members (bullshit them with guaranteed minimal wage, minimum number of hours per week, holidays, discount on the factory's produce, whatever). At that point, every worker, who can only see their own interest, likes it.
- After some time all the worst workers (the lazy ones, who don't like to get their hand dirty) are members of the union whose structure grows and becomes less efficient (because instead of working, now the bad workers, do bureaucracy for the union. This makes the industry even less efficient and generates more losses).
- At the point where in free market's natural rules (which just work naturally and do not require any communists push them write them down and convince the government to put them in power) would simply cause the factory to close, comes somebody like M. Thatcher. and shows how it works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv5t6rC6yvg at that point post proles are no longer dumb enough not to believe it.
- Unions are dismantled, factories that generate losses go bankrupt, and normal people get other jobs. Communists, as one may expect, say that it is bad when factories shut down, they say that all the poor workers have been cheated by the government while the were actually being cheated by their union all the time, etc, etc.
Of course, like I pointed out earlier, the government should not interfere in economy at all, and the fact that the same government that dismantles unions later increases taxes to push global warming and nuclear power is bad in this sense. Nobody is perfect though... Government that imposes congestion charges is also bad. I hope I don't have to explain that it is not the congestion that charges people for driving in the congestion zone but the communists (or the so called do-gooders) who introduce their silly laws.
I am puzzled, on the one hand you link a speech by a politician you claim to admire, then damn her as the Prime Minister who used State Power to intervene in the economy to tackle climate change (the climate change you appear to deny), the Prime Minister who presided over a decline in trade union power and a 24% decline in Britain's industrial capacity, the Prime Minister who raised taxes you don't approve of, and the Prime Minister who sold off council houses creating a long-term crisis in public housing, and sold off state owned assets in water, gas, electricity and the railways with the result that in this 'free market' most of our railway operating companies in the UK are owned by companies wholly or part-owned by companies owned or part-owned by the governments of Germany, France and the Netherlands, proving that 'the state' is deeply embedded in the UK economy. Your remarks on trade unions are so historically ignorant as to be without value, but at least we now know (or do we?) how much you loathe and detest Margaret Thatcher and the policies of her government, particularly on climate change, which is the subject of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ts RedVeX
When the fuck are you going to get off your high horse! You're worse than a politician thinking you know best & trying to correct people all the time! You people pick out the facts that suit you & your views!Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
RedVex; I can't comment on other Trade Unions but the one I was, & still am a member of is a very strong Trade Union. Only today 4 different train operating companies across the country are on strike because bosses are trying to jeopardize safety & cut costs!
I used to work a 35 hour week, get 36 days holiday a year and saw my salary rise by around 30% over 10 years. Full sick pay for 6 month then half salary for 6 month. I also received very good representation if problems arose. I received a very good redundancy package & will get my hands on a very good pension in March 2020.... that's if those greedy Tory bastards don't get their filthy greedy hands on it first?
Another Politician! Putting your own spin on everything. Congestion charges were introduced in an attempt to reduce pollution within the city of London, you telling me congestion is down! Take a 15 bus from Aldgate to Trafalgar Square if you think the answer is yes! A hybrid bus that costs over £300,000 each designed to cut emissions, not ease congestion, oh ; & there are almost a 1,000 of them & they are riddled with problems! There is no attempt being made to reduce congestion in London, people just pay the charge, what else CAN they do! You really must be a politician Stavros!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
I don't know how many people are employed in green energy but 634,000 people worked for NCB in the 1960's.
Like I said, Thatcher liberated the nation from companies that were bringing loses to the state. That was good because part of public funds that had to go into those companies just to keep them going could be used otherwise.
The fact that she decided to push her climate change and nuclear power agendas are bad because they are against the paradigm of free market.
Whether that was good or bad depends, of course of who you ask. If peejaye was running a company, he would probably say Thatcher's politics were good. If he was running a coal mine, he would probably say they are bad. The main difference between ideologies and politics is that ideology is something you believe in and try to work around its paradigm, also if you are building your political programme. You do not discuss with paradigms unless you want to create a spin-off ideology. You do not compromise it's paradigms. However, politics, even if built around a paradigm of free market, may in practise require you to compromise things. So objectively, if a lot of people's living quality increased because they could buy houses and finally call them their own homes, then her politics were good for the nation. I do not know exactly what made her invest in climate change. Probably the same misbelief that that drives you guys to still promote the propaganda that says humanity can affect climate change by implementing laws that give privileges to "green industries", which are pretty much like the loss-generating coal mines.
I am sure that in a normal country, where government does not intervene in economical matters, where one would be able to work themselves, their family and the boss with his family, one would not need any sick pay, fixed amount of holiday, pension, redundancy packages, simply because there would be no obligatory monthly charges for pension and redundancy for the lazy, public health, dole, social housing, public water, public electricity, public whatever, and thousands of official who need to collect all those taxes, redistribute your money, create laws around this whole process, make sure that the laws are enforced, etc, etc. A simple example: Let's say a capitalist decides to make shoes. He has to calculate how much he is going to charge per pair, so he adds costs of materials, his work, work of his employees if he has any. Now in a socialist country, where politicians know everything better how to make shoes than the shoemaker, The shoemaker has to also add to his shoes' price all the taxes, insurance, costs of implementing health and safety regulations, etc etc. The effect is that a pair of shoes cost whoever decides to buy them 100quid rather than 60quid. So who do you think pays all those fees? The shoemaker, or the one who buys the shoes? Now if you say "OK, but if there is no regulations as to how much the shoemaker decides to charge for his shoes, then he will still charge 100quid or more". Well, no because then another shoemaker will charge 90quid per pair and as soon as poeple find out the first company won't be selling any shoes and go bankrupt unless they start making shoes for 90quid or even 80quid.