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Indeed. The senate votes down the attempt to introduce wider checks on arms sales. The NRA immediately hails it as a victory for freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by hippifried
How depressingly, predictably, inevitably familiar.
More innocent blood to be shed on the corrupt hands of congress. SMDH.
I think that this time it won't go away. There will never be gun bans but while today showed the flaws of allowing "silent filibuster" and the cowardice of many senators.
The fight will continue and just as many of the same parlimentary tactics and similar inflammatory speeches about freedom and constitutional purity could not perpetuate segregation in the US, so too will this black mark on the US body politic pass.
How many more have to die while we wait we can only guess but arms without restriction will some day be as out of touch with reality and morality as was the ethnic cleansing of Native Americans or the suppression of woman's votes and then rights.
It will pass because the majority of Americans want intelligent registration, background checks and limits on magazine capacity. When Congress finds itself this out of step with public opinion, regardless of the success of a cloture vote, a corner was turned today, one that the NRA celebrates today but will soon recognize was the sea change.
It's true that Ombama is a great gun salesman, but it's not because of rhetoric nor political action. All through his first term there was absolutely no move toward any sort of tighter regulations on guns. Even after Gifords was shot, there was no move toward making tougher gun laws. Yet during this same period ALEC was writing boiler plate concealed carry laws and stand your ground laws and racing them through conservative State legislatures. The Obama administration was silent on gun laws even when Travon Martin was slaughtered in the cleanly swept streets of a gated Florida community. Yet all through his first term gun sales were through the roof and dealers couldn't keep ammunition on the shelves. Gee, funny how paranoid certain stupid assholes can be when a black man wins the White House.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silcc69
No kidding Trish. I can only imagine now that the carnage of Newtown or just the fact that Obama can not run again has him fired up about gun out-of-control just how many more weapons the industry can sell to fools who think the black guy is out to screw them when in reality it is and has long been a bunch of rich mostly white guys out to screw the working dude.
Sadly considering opinion polls tell us that the vast majority of Americans are for closing the gun show loophole and better background checks and we still end up with a cloture motion in the Senate, that for most of the pols only personalization would change their minds.
No comment required.
A cowardly and nauseating day.... and doubtless there will be gloatesr and jerks rubbing their hands at this "victory for freedom."
Would it have made any difference if it had been a shooter in the crowd in Boston instead of a bomber.
Hey NRA - why not call for legalisation of bombs.
Tis was emailed to me...
http://www.nationalmemo.com/is-this-...uve-ever-seen/
Ed -- A Petition For Stronger Gun Laws - YouTube
Takeaway line from Gabbrielle Giffords's editorial in today's New York Times:
"...if we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress..."
I couldn't stand Max Baucus already. His vote yesterday just makes it that much easier to fundraise to kick his ass out of the Senate in 2014.
This thread was started when it really looked as if some form of sanity might prevail. We know better now.
We are so far from a gun ban that yesterday that a competing amendment from Texan John Cornyn that would federalize concealed carry permits -- in other words, states would be forced to respect concealed carry permits issued in other states -- actually received more yes votes than the background check amendment.Quote:
Originally Posted by hippifried
It didn't pass because it also did not receive the 60 votes necessary to end a filibuster, but an amendment to loosen current gun regulations received 57 yes votes in the U.S. Senate, while a bill to moderately expand background checks on gun purchases received only 55 yes votes.
Thombgeron... I honestly don't know if this deserves dark laughter of the despairing kind or ... well
It's just going to take a long time, Prospero. U.S. political institutions are incredibly inefficient and very bad at innovating, but there is significant momentum among the public. Yesterday's vote will make a difference in the 2014 midterms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
I only hope you're right, but we all know that the GOP-NRA axis will come up with some major diversionary tactics to avoid any return to sanity. I despair, I really do.Quote:
Originally Posted by thombergeron
Prick of the Week.
But not a million miles from some of the posters hereabouts in his thinking.
http://http://www.rawstory.com/rs/20...an-go-to-hell/
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Originally Posted by trish
Great posts! More Federal Licensed gun dealers, than Post Offices, McDonalds, and Starbucks combined! Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Escalade
Gun Reform Fails:
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Just now ...
Five Killed In Washington State Shooting
Five people have been killed in a shooting at an apartment complex south of Seattle, including a suspect who was shot by officers.
Police say officers responded to a 9:30pm emergency call at an apartment complex in Federal Way of shots being fired.
In addition to the possible suspect, the victims also include three other men and one woman.
There was no immediate word what set off the gunfire.
Just another quiet day in gun-toting America. Hey ho...
Some interesting comments/reflections in the UK Press.
The Guardian and cartoonist Gerald Scarfe in yesterday's Sunday Times.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...on-hard-tackle
Between April 18 and the 21st:
At a Minnesota gun show a handgun accidentally discharges as the experienced vendor demonstrates how to field strip the weapon.
An experienced Ohio police chief accidentally shoots himself holstering his gun.
A fourteen year old shoots himself in the hand with a ill-gotten weapon.
A rural Indiana man accidentally shot himself in the head and died.
A three year old boy fired his father’s 9mm handgun inside their apartment.
Experienced Texas policeman accidentally shot a man in the hand.
Sixteen year old boy was accidentally shot in the leg on the campus of the University of Louisiana at Monroe.
Oregon man dies of an accidentally self-inflicted handgun wound.
Georgia man accidentally shot himself in the leg with a .22 revolver.
An Indiana woman accidentally fires a rifle into the apartment below her through the ceiling in an attempt to “twirl” the gun “Rifleman style.”
Texas man accidentally shot himself in the head. He survived. Wasn’t using his brain anyway, didn’t need it.
Concealed handgun owners while taking a class at a shooting range shot a fisherman in a nearby pond.
North Carolina man accidentally shot himself in the thigh.
New Yorker shot his hand.
Four year boy died of a gunshot wound inside his house in Oregon.
http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/
When will Americans realize that a gun in the home increases your chances of dying of a gunshot wound threefold.
From April 28 to 29
Experience Pennsylvania policeman accidentally shoots himself in the leg.
A man in Kansas accidentally shot himself.
Twenty year old Foridian accidentally shoots and kills nineteen year old friend. He was “showing off” his gun.
A fifty-four year old Illinois man shoots himself in the stomach.
Pennsylvania woman was accidentally shot in the stomach at the Erie Biker Ball.
In Virgina a gun is accidentally discharged in a car and wounds two people.
Forty-two year old Pennsylanian accidentally shoots and kills her husband while he was instructing her on the proper use of firearms.
Fifteen year old Texan accidentally shoots his brother in the head while the two were playing with a gun they found.
Six year old Florida girl shoots herself playing with a handgun. She and another small child were playing with a gun.
Georgia policeman shoots himself during a remedial training course.
Sixty-four year old Pennsylvania man was shooting at a “threatening” dog. The bullet passed through the dog and wounded the dog’s owner.
A Washington man accidentally shot himself with a newly purchased gun while driving. He just couldn’t wait to fondle his new penis.
Louisiana man is shot while attempting to fix a jammed weapon.
Wisconsin policeman shot himself in the leg holstering his gun while off-duty.
http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/
Background checks are necessary to prevent truly unstable people from easily obtaining firearms. But we also need laws that hold owners responsible for negligence that results in injury or death. It’s negligence on the owner’s part if a child is found playing with a gun. It’s negligence if your gun accidentally discharges in a home, a car, a bar or anywhere else. Even people who say they’re experienced and say they’re always careful have accidents. A gun is not a penis. You don’t need to get is out and show it off to your friends. You don’t need to play with it or stroke it ‘til is discharges. Keep it in your pants. Better yet, leave at the store. Unless you’re a hunter or a sport shooter you’re never going to need it. Rather than ever being used in the act of protection, a gun in the home is more likely to be involved in an accident or a suicide of a family member.
Oh. Is that why the discharge never cums out white & creamy?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Yeah, and it's never a happy ending.
Yup, never happens.
According to IronMountainDailyNews.com, Two young men, aged 17 and 18, thought they would have an easy time robbing a gas station that was closed for the night.
The two men broke into the Michigan gas station just after 4am.
They did not realize that the owner was in the store at the time.
The owner, an Iraq War vet, approached the suspects, kicked one to the floor and then retrieved an AR-15 style rifle he keeps in his office.
The owner leveled the rifle at the suspects, and one of them removed his mask to plead with the owner not to shoot them.
The suspects then fled the store, but the owner recognized the suspect who removed his mask and was able to identify him to police, resulting in the capture of both suspects a short time later.
Both suspects were charged with breaking and entering.
Link from a reputable source please
Just since yesterday:
In Minnesota a Washington County Sheriff was accidentally shot in the head by a hunter who thought the Sheriff was a turkey.
In Kentucky a five year old boy shot and killed his two year old sister while playing with a .22 rifle. That’s right, a five year old boy shot and killed his two year old sister while playing with a .22 rifle. The rifle was his! It was a gift. “It’s a Crickett...The little boy’s used to shooting the little gun.” County Coroner Gary White said, “Just one of those crazy accidents.”
In Alaska a five year old girl was shot and killed by her eight year old brother who was playing with a Ruger 10/22. Alaska State Trooper’s spokeperson, Megan Peters said, “There’s no easy answer to it, and obviously no one thinks it’s going to happen. It’s a very good opportunity to realize how much can go wrong in a very short time.”
California gang member accidentally shot himself in the ankle.
A fourteen year old was “trying to clear a malfunction of a .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun when his hand moved in front of the muzzle of the weapon and the gun went off.”
Sixty-six year old Minnesota firearms instructor shot his own finger while holding a .38 Special handgun in its holster.
An Alabama woman standing in a doorway holding her newborn baby was killed by a stray bullet when a disagreement down the street escalated into gunfire.
http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/
Guns are designed for killing. Why would you give one to a five year old? Why would they make guns for children? How can anyone think shit like this isn't "going to happen" when the evidence says it will? A gun in the home is more likely to be used in the suicide of a family member, or involved in a accidental death or injury, than to used in protection.
It is a country/non-urban thing. It isn't a new thing too. It has been going on for decades. You train them young for hunting game animal or having bonding moments. Rifles in .22 LR are popular to teach young kids about firearms because those rifiles lack strong recoil.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
http://www.miningjournal.net/page/co....html?nav=5001
I hunted with my father too, having grown up in rural Pennsylvania...but I wasn't given a .22 when I was five fucking years old and I never used a gun made for a child. If killing becomes an early bonding activity, won't we be raising a bunch of kids who conflate bonding and killing? Doesn't that sound perverse, if not dangerous?
Not really. The vast majority of those kids aren't going to become homicidal maniacs and suicidal people. It has been going on before you were born. Some parents teach them younger than others about firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
So you're okay with giving a .22 to a five year old and you're not drunk!
If a father's okay with giving a five year old a loaded rifle...he should trust the kid with a straight edge too so he can give Daddy a close shave.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
he's not drunk , just a moron :dancing:Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
thanks for the links. This issue is not going away. Americans generally understand that reasonable gun control is not, by any stretch of a sane imagination, in conflict with the Second Amendment. We understand that the life of a child trumps any asshole's claim to free and easy access to deadly firearms. Americans are largely agreed that reasonable, if minimal, restrictions include background checks in all venues (including gunshows) and limits on magazine capacities. As politicians awaken to this consensus of the general public the gun lobby will slowly lose its grip on the machinations of power. The NRA will still have money but the negative public opinion will lessen their capacity to bribe our politicians. The most important thing is to get out there and vote the Gun Lobby out of influence. Keep this issue in mind when you go to the polling booth.Quote:
Originally Posted by thombergeron
How original! It called proper parental guidance.Quote:
Originally Posted by yosi
No responsible parent would put a loaded .22 rifle in the hands of a five year old child with or without supervision. As Fred pointed out, you wouldn't submit to being shaved by a five year old with a straight razor.
It's not a question of whether yosi was being creative or original in his diagnosis of your condition. He was correct...you're a moron.
When applying to purchase a gun you should be asked, "Are you intending to put this firearm in the hands of a five year old child?" An affirmative answer should be enough to disqualify you from buying the weapon.
Just since yesterday:
Sheriff’s Deputy is accidentally shot by a Texas homeowner, when he was mistaken for an intruder.
Another Deputy Sheriff was accidentally shot in Pennsylvania by a fellow officer. Both were conducting a raid on a barber shop in Darby Borough.
An Iowa policeman was showing off his weapon to a friend when the weapon discharged and would the friend in the hand.
In Baldwinsville, NY a man drew a gun and threatened to kill himself. His sister attempted to pull the gun away and it accidentally went off shooting her brother in the head.
An Ohio man accidentally shot himself and was too embarrassed to reveal to the police the circumstances of the incident.
In Virgina a hunter was shot and killed when he was mistaken for a turkey.
Florida man confessed to accidentally shooting and paralyzing a man while drunk.
In Auburn, Washington a nine year old girl was shot in the leg by her seven year old brother playing with a .22 rifle.
Another man in Arizona was mistaken for a turkey and shot by his brother.
http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/
You have more control dealing with a 5 year old with a .22 than a 5 year old with a straight razor. For starters, with a .22 rifle under supervision, you know what will be down range before telling them to fire. With a straight edge razor, you need delicate control. Apples and oranges comparison. You're the moron for comparing the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Obviously you have little experience with five year old boys. You even know which direction IS downrange. Five year old boys are easily distracted, don't always do what they're told, impulsive and often defiant of authority. You're a moron to suggest it's safe to give a loaded weapon to a five year old child.
With proper training and guidance, it is safe. You can search Youtube and find a lot of videos of it done the right way with various 5 year old kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Yeah, you can find all sorts of asinine things on the Internet.