Men who are attracted to transgendered women- Straight, bi, gay?

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Spoken like a man who believes all TS are repressed gay men in extreme drag.

Homosexual is an emotional/sexual attraction to someone of the same gender.

Homosexual sex is by definition what two gay people do sexually in the bed together.

If a GIRL has a penis, when a straight man has sex with her, generously speaking you can't accurately label that as a homosexual relationship.

When Chaz Bono dates Cis women, are those lesbian relationships??

No sex act is either 'gay' or 'straight'. It's just sex.

I think the idea of transgendered women is just too big a reality for most people not experienced with such phenomena to handle.

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Did you read the first sentence I wrote and stop? I clarified all that in the rest of my post.

First off, I don't believe that first sentence you said at all. FFS I'm a crossdresser myself, and I'd be stupid to apply inaccurate terms to an umbrella under which I can be identified.

I said the behavior is homosexual, not the people involved. There are two of the same thing in the bed. Homo = same (where hetero = two or more). That's just basic word etymology. I even specifically said that the relationship, to the rest of the world who doesn't have access to what's between her legs, is a straight relationship (as opposed to a gay/lesbian one).

Just in case anyone had any misunderstanding, (or gave two shits.) I only side with the facts, never the feels. It's very liberating to live in world devoid of having to rationalize anything. One need only be brave.

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Originally Posted by Jamie French

Just in case anyone had any misunderstanding, (or gave two shits.) I only side with the facts, never the feels. It's very liberating to live in world devoid of having to rationalize anything. One need only be brave.

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Except being transgendered is ALL about the 'feels', what someone is thinking between the ears.

If the 'feels' don't matter, it's all denial and delusion.

Several definitions of sexual orientation take into account the gender one is attracted to. Some of these definitions say the sex or gender of those you are attracted to, and I've seen several that say gender.

But even sex is not something that fits into two distinct categories. To say that someone with 5 alpha reductase deficiency is either entirely male or entirely female would be to simplify either term beyond its usefulness. They are GENETICALLY male, but they do not necessarily possess all of the other physiological correlates. They cannot break down testosterone into its more androgenic metabolite.

There are some individuals who are neither the male or female standard genetically, but have Klinefelter's or Turner's. So even the genetic component of sex is not binary.

Besides, there are some people who are attracted to androgyny. They might find various male and female characteristics attractive. Their sexual orientation would probably be best understood on a continuum.

None of this is to rationalize sexuality just to avoid the label of gay. But saying someone is gay because they like some masculine and some feminine features is feeling as though you only have two (or three including bisexual) categories to choose from and aren't willing to increase the level of description by viewing sexuality as fluid.

It's not about what I feel. I know that life is uncomfortable living as a dude for very specific reasons. I didn't have to feel my way through anything. The chemical make up of brain is not gender normative. There was/is no feeling about it. It's biology brother. We are meaty robots.

Also, don't speak for people who aren't you. Pass judgment all day long, make jokes, agrree, lambast, but never profess for anyone other than yourself.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Except being transgendered is ALL about the 'feels', what someone is thinking between the ears.

If the 'feels' don't matter, it's all denial and delusion.

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Unless you're physically assaulted daily, the sensation of being uncomfortable is a feeling. Between the ears. Emotional.

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Originally Posted by Jamie French

The chemical make up of brain is not gender normative. There was/is no feeling about it. It's biology brother. We are meaty robots.

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You may disagree, but there are some ethicists and doctors who would say such a biological difference should be taken into account when defining sex. Even doctors no longer believe that genetics alone should determine the sex of a person. And I am not confusing sex with gender, but am talking about actual physiologic characters such as hormone levels, the expression of secondary sex characteristics, the presentation of gonads.

That's a lot of words. This is easier guys...

Is there a dick in your mouth? In your hand? Up your butt? Is it yours? No? Gay.

Is your hand on a dick? Is it yours? No? Gay.

Is there a vagina anywhere near the butt you're currently humping? No? Gay.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

Several definitions of sexual orientation take into account the gender one is attracted to. Some of these definitions say the sex or gender of those you are attracted to, and I've seen several that say gender.

But even sex is not something that fits into two distinct categories. To say that someone with 5 alpha reductase deficiency is either entirely male or entirely female would be to simplify either term beyond its usefulness. They are GENETICALLY male, but they do not necessarily possess all of the other physiological correlates. They cannot break down testosterone into its more androgenic metabolite.

There are some individuals who are neither the male or female standard genetically, but have Klinefelter's or Turner's. So even the genetic component of sex is not binary.

Besides, there are some people who are attracted to androgyny. They might find various male and female characteristics attractive. Their sexual orientation would probably be best understood on a continuum.

None of this is to rationalize sexuality just to avoid the label of gay. But saying someone is gay because they like some masculine and some feminine features is feeling as though you only have two (or three including bisexual) categories to choose from and aren't willing to increase the level of description by viewing sexuality as fluid.

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I'm not interested in fringe science. I'll take the stuff that stings, means it's working.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

You may disagree, but there are some ethicists and doctors who would say such a biological difference should be taken into account when defining sex. Even doctors no longer believe that genetics alone should determine the sex of a person. And I am not confusing sex with gender, but am talking about actual physiologic characters such as hormone levels, the expression of secondary sex characteristics, the presentation of gonads.

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It's easier but less descriptive. A lot of things are easier. Saying someone who is 1/8 Jewish is a Jew is a lot easier than saying he's 1/4 polish, 3/8th German, and 1/8 Jewish. But yes, crudity and simplicity are often more effective rhetorically.