Anyone else find this F*ed Up

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Originally Posted by seanchai

That's all I am.
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Glad we agree.

~BB~

I dont see a reason why showing somebody nude is disrespecting.If somebody is modeling nude,she is obviously not ashamed of her body.So why should it be disrespectful to show pics of them nude when they are dead?

I have the impression that somebody who thinks that has on her mind that nudity is something immoral,something you should be ashamed of.

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Originally Posted by elo

I dont see a reason why showing somebody nude is disrespecting.If somebody is modeling nude,she is obviously not ashamed of her body.So why should it be disrespectful to show pics of them nude when they are dead?

I have the impression that somebody who thinks that has on her mind that nudity is something immoral,something you should be ashamed of.

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The real bone of contention is tastefulness moreso than nudity though. Some of the more, we'll say, 'inviting' pics do not celebrate nudity, they say, 'come fuck me,' and many of us find that inappropriate for a memorial.

I'm noticing you're from Europe, as is Seanchai. My European friends are always telling me how much more hung up about sex Americans are. I wonder if that has something to do with it.

~BB~

A close friend of Jenna, who is in contact with her family, has relayed their request to me that they be provided with any pictures people have of or with Jenna out in the scene. Please help me help him honor their request by sending any such pictures to me, at felicia_kattt@yahoo.com. I will get them to the family and am helping them to get some kind of Facebook/Myspace type page up so they can share them and read comments, like many of the ones in these threads here, from people who actually knew Jenna or were her fans or shared good experiences with her. The suitable comments from here will be included, with the board information and people's screen names removed.

I hope to have full account information later tonite for those wishing to make contributions to her family to help with her funeral expenses. I've already heard privately from several people looking to make donations and hope to hear more once more concrete details are in place.

Karina, who runs the pageants here in LA and who is also vitally active in the community will be doing a fundraiser tonight at Goddess, at MJ's on Hyperion in Silverlake. She will be seeking donations after the show, so please come out and help out this way if you can.

Buddy Wood has generously offered to give the door proceeds from this Thursdays T Party at Blue Moon Nights on Lankershim in North Hollywood to the family and the dancers for this week, including Domino Presley and Britney Markham are donating their dance money as well. If people want to make a donation to a good cause as part of a good time, come out to the club this week!

thanks to all for all their positive contributions. Jenna's family knows how she is remembered and missed and appreciates it all.

FK

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

LAGent, I'm not trying to pass the buck to you, but I am trying to ask for everyone's help. That's what Total-TG is all about - all of us working together against the multitude of issues we all face since, like I said, I can't do it all by myself.

I only knew Jezebel in passing, and she's the only girl I've ever known at all that has passed, so I get my information second-hand just as much as anyone else. That said, it makes a lot more sense to provide people a venue to express their ideas, concerns, memories, etc, without my leadership, so I've just created a new group on TTG called Transgender Memorials. It's an open group which means that, while I would like everyone to register for an account, it won't be necessary to have one in order to view it.

http://total-tg.com/pg/groups/6497/t...der-memorials/

May the fallen not rest in peace, but live on forever in our hearts and minds.

~BB~

PS: If anyone has any shots of Jezebel that are on the candid or more conservative side, please email them to bellabellucci@ymail.com. Thanks.

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Bella, I went to your site as I had some thoughts I was going to share with you about a memorial as well as to post some very touching comments about Jenna from a News Blog I saw today.

However, given your comments about the Grooby memorial being less then respectful and your comment that "a whole person died, not a porn star, and that should be memorialized accordingly" I was a bit surprised to see the comment you wrote in your site, when discussing that you did not actually know Jenna all that well when you stated "In fact, the first time I'd ever seen her, she was advertising her services on Craigslist where other girls (probably out of jealousy - Jezebel was a gorgeous woman) would post her boy photos. Despite the attack by her 'sisters,' she continued to persevere, so much so that the next time I saw her, she was already on Shemale Pornstar."

In my opinion, a comment like advertising her services on Craig's list aka escorting opens up a part of someones life that while it may exist, is not something that one would want to be remembered for.

Your point could have been easily made without the CL reference simply by saying something like she was a strong individual who became a success on Shemale Pornstar, persevering jealous attacks by others, like the time someone posted her boy photos on the internet.

I have no problem with anyones chosen profession or how they make a living. I am not a moralist and not one to judge a book by its cover. But bringing up that she was advertising "her services" on Craig's list was, in my opinion is in poor taste in more ways then one and totally unnecessary.

Again, not that my opinion matters to you or anyone, but given the stand you've taken on this subject, I really expected something much better from you. Words and pictures are not all that different and can be equally tasteless.

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Originally Posted by LAGent4ts

I have no problem with anyones chosen profession or how they make a living. I am not a moralist and not one to judge a book by its cover. But bringing up that she was advertising "her services" on Craig's list was, in my opinion is in poor taste in more ways then one and totally unnecessary.

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Sorry, I was exhausted and doing 50 things at once and was typing up everything that came through my stream of consciousness. And again, I didn't know her that well to say a whole lot else, which is why I asked for help to begin with. I went back and changed the post, but since I didn't use any spread legs photos or try to sell any porn on the backs of the fallen, and considering our (I assumed) cordial personal relationship, I would have appreciated it if you had made your suggestion discreetly by email. Do you have a natural inclination towards ambushing people or did you have to work at it? Thanks for nothing.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by LAGent4ts

Bella, I went to your site as I had some thoughts I was going to share with you about a memorial as well as to post some very touching comments about Jenna from a News Blog I saw today.

However, given your comments about the Grooby memorial being less then respectful and your comment that "a whole person died, not a porn star, and that should be memorialized accordingly" I was a bit surprised to see the comment you wrote in your site, when discussing that you did not actually know Jenna all that well when you stated "In fact, the first time I'd ever seen her, she was advertising her services on Craigslist where other girls (probably out of jealousy - Jezebel was a gorgeous woman) would post her boy photos. Despite the attack by her 'sisters,' she continued to persevere, so much so that the next time I saw her, she was already on Shemale Pornstar."

In my opinion, a comment like advertising her services on Craig's list aka escorting opens up a part of someones life that while it may exist, is not something that one would want to be remembered for.

Your point could have been easily made without the CL reference simply by saying something like she was a strong individual who became a success on Shemale Pornstar, persevering jealous attacks by others, like the time someone posted her boy photos on the internet.

I have no problem with anyones chosen profession or how they make a living. I am not a moralist and not one to judge a book by its cover. But bringing up that she was advertising "her services" on Craig's list was, in my opinion is in poor taste in more ways then one and totally unnecessary.

Again, not that my opinion matters to you or anyone, but given the stand you've taken on this subject, I really expected something much better from you. Words and pictures are not all that different and can be equally tasteless.

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I think this post describes the "Bellucci Hypocryte" so well. What else can be added, she's crazy, a hypocryte, needs to get off everyone else' ass and maybe worry about her own messy life.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Sorry, I was exhausted and doing 50 things at once and was typing up everything that came through my stream of consciousness. And again, I didn't know her that well to say a whole lot else, which is why I asked for help to begin with. I went back and changed the post, but since I didn't use any spread legs photos or try to sell any porn on the backs of the fallen, and considering our (I assumed) cordial personal relationship, I would have appreciated it if you had made your suggestion discreetly by email. Do you have a natural inclination towards ambushing people or did you have to work at it? Thanks for nothing.

~BB~

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So you make a freaking career out of calling everyone in your crazy crusade on the carpet in a public forum. LAgents points out very politely his opinion, which even you admit you were wrong. And you want it sent by private? You make such an ass out of yourself sometimes.

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Originally Posted by shemale-411

So you make a freaking career out of calling everyone in your crazy crusade on the carpet in a public forum. LAgents points out very politely his opinion, which even you admit you were wrong. And you want it sent by private? You make such an ass out of yourself sometimes.

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lol

And once again Bella tries to be the center of attention and turn something in to a political debate...even when someone passes away shes gotta be in the center of the drama and making sure she gets her points across

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Originally Posted by shemale-411

So you make a freaking career out of calling everyone in your crazy crusade on the carpet in a public forum. LAgents points out very politely his opinion, which even you admit you were wrong. And you want it sent by private? You make such an ass out of yourself sometimes.

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We know each other in person, so yes, I expected the courtesy of privacy. And frankly, while he was right that I could have phrased things better, I was relaying a personal story from memory about a girl I always admired for getting through what had to be a tough time. I'm sure it wasn't just the photos that she had to deal with, but whatever animosity led people to publish them in the first place.

And I beg a bit of forgiveness as well. I've been sick twice in the last two weeks, overstressed in my personal life (nasty breakup), and I've been just exhausted lately. I'm just trying to help out here as best I can with the limited resources that I have.

I also don't know about a lot of what happens outside of L.A. until I read it somewhere else, so I'm not 'passing the buck,' but soliciting help. I think that's only fair considering I'm only one person. Seanchai's got a virtual army compared to me, so cut me a break, will you? Where's your offering in all this?

~BB~