The people on this board that scare me the most..

Trish, as I said I agree with the GOP on most fiscal and foreign policy issues, not all.

Pretty easy to look in hind sight and see all the issues with the war in Iraq. Lesson learned now let's move on.

As for the Social Security funding, you have no evidence it has been handed out to the elite in tax breaks. Have they been given generous tax breaks, sure, but your claim is baseless.

Currently with the GOP at least we know what we are getting. With Noboma we won't have a clue until it is too late.
He will say anything to get elected, we won't have any idea about who he really is until it is way too late.

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What more do you want, preferential treatment from the government akin to affirmative action?

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I want a government that puts all people's rights on an equal footing. For example: how about the right to serve our country in the military and at the same time the right to be clear and open about our sexual identity? Preferential treatment my ass. This country still has a long way to go.

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EXACTLY, and an example to drive that important point home further....

"Don't ask" does not prevent someone from serving provided they stay in the closet... and since gay marriage is not federally recognized, who is going to get the flag if someone who is gay in the military in a LTR dies in action? Hint; it won't be the significant other.

Someone who is straight can be married, and the military can know about it to know who to pay respects to.

Not all injustices are based on economics.

I agree with you about the military trish, but please give other examples of this. Also please tell me how many transsexuals want to serve in the military. As I understand it, while the official policy is don't ask don't tell, gays are not usually kicked for being outed.

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how about the right to serve our country in the military and at the same time the right to be clear and open about our sexual identity? Preferential treatment my ass. This country still has a long way to go.

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I mean, you could live in Iran where people are hung for being gay. America doesn't have a long way to go, it's already there.

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Social Security funding, you have no evidence it has been handed out to the elite in tax breaks.

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We have George Bush's word on it. That was his campaign promise eight years ago.

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I mean, you could live in Iran where people are hung for being gay. America doesn't have a long way to go, it's already there.

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That's why the SSA went around outting girls to their employers for no reason whatsoever?

Just because there are worse injustices does not mean our own should be ignored or trivialized. There are European countries where trans issues are handled with far more civility than here.

Also, the military's treatment of gays does not equal how the country treats its gay citizens. So, unless you all want to go to iraq this doesn't really apply to you.

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Also, the military's treatment of gays does not equal how the country treats its gay citizens. So, unless you all want to go to iraq this doesn't really apply to you.

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The military's treatment of lgbts is one of many ways in which we can look at how the federal gov treats its lgbt citizens.

Military issues specifically matter for people in addition to those in the service directly. You are forgetting there are gay and trans people who are in LTRs with those in the active service, there are gay and trans people who are dependents of those in the active service. It is a far more complicated issue than "going to Iraq"

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Just because there are worse injustices does not mean our own should be ignored or trivialized. There are European countries where trans issues are handled with far more civility than here.

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I'm trivializing don't ask don't tell because you're just using it as an argument when the law doesn't even apply to you. Stop acting so oppressed because they don't officially allow gays in the military. Truth is, like I said, outed gays in the military are not usually dismissed under the don't act don't tell policy, and I honestly doubt it will even be official policy for much longer, regardless of who is in control of the white house. Do you have any other examples of government sponsored "oppression"?

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Pretty easy to look in hind sight and see all the issues with the war in Iraq. Lesson learned now let's move on.

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I have the emails I wrote to Congress in early 2003, before the war, predicting in advance everything that actually happened. Honestly you'd have to be either (a) retarded or (b) corrupt to not have seen exactly what was happening with the Iraq invasion.

That lesson was not learned. The only sane thing would be to impeach Bush and ideally imprison or execute him as a warning for the future. But definitely don't give them permission to do it again.

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gays are not usually kicked for being outed.

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Of course they are. It's in the news all the time. How about the gay translators of Arabic who were booted for their sexual orientation? How about Army Sgt. Manzella.