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Let me get this bull shit straight. You feel safer with a drug dealer owning illegal firearms which would include anything up to military grade assault weapons........ Than you do with a law abiding peaceful citizen owning a handgun or two to defend his home with?
That just does not make any sense to me at all.
Drug dealers will always have illegal weapons. They also tend to shoot other drug dealers, not joe public.
'Law-abiding' citizens is an oxymoron. Every other jackass on the street owning a firearm is scary, for the reaons I have already outlined.
I never meet drug-dealers in my day-to-day life, but I meet a lot of ignorant, short-tempered, overcompensating 'law-abiding' citizens. If they were armed I would be shitting myself.
When I think of how many bar-fights/road-rage/bus-rage/street arguments I have seen, I would not want any lethal weapons within range of them.
Oli, my mistake, I was talking about new york city alone not the entire state. but thanks for the stats. You cant compare a city to an entire state but it does show that more murders occur in the city than the entire state put together. Give me some stats on CHICAGO, MIAMI, DALLAS, LOS ANGELES AND D.C. and I'll bet it illustrates the point I was making.
Tom , you're whole argument was pure ignorance. Maybe you should never leave your house or 'flat' again you could just as easily get stabbed. Do you know if any of your neighbors have knives or swords? And by the way, you made my point for me by saying that criminals ("drug dealers") will always have guns because THEY DON'T GET THEM LEGALLY! My responsibility to my neighbors stops at my front door. And as far as shitting yourself I have one word for you 'DEPENDS'
Of course criminals will get guns illegally. There is nothing anyone can do about that.
Arming the rest of the population is not going to make anything or anyone safer. It will just esculate the level of violence, when violent incidents occur, as, you must agree happens in the US.
I don't think people should have knives or swords either. How about that?
And yes, we call 'apartments' flats over here. Travel is good.
Europeans don't feel it is our 'Right' to carry a lethal piece of metal. Guess we're all ignorant pussies, right?
Your responsibilty to your countrymen doesn't stop at your front door. That is why there are such things as ASBO's, and taxes, among other things.
Tom's makes an excellent point:
Now DEPENDS might be take care of the shits, but it won't prevent rage-murders or bring the dead back to life. Making someone wait a month before they can buy a gun will definitely attenuate that sort of gun violence. A certain kind of criminal will always have guns. But the generally law abiding citizen whose having a temper tantrum might not become a criminal if he's given a chance to cool down while he's waiting for his gun permit to be processed.Quote:
I never meet drug-dealers in my day-to-day life, but I meet a lot of ignorant, short-tempered, overcompensating 'law-abiding' citizens. If they were armed I would be shitting myself.
When I think of how many bar-fights/road-rage/bus-rage/street arguments I have seen, I would not want any lethal weapons within range of them.
I know Tom is actually arguing for non-ownership of guns. I don't see that ever happening in the U.S. Indeed I personally don't see anything wrong with people owning guns and keeping them in their house, provided they're licensed and registered. I do see a grave danger in concealed carry. I'd rather not live anywhere people are allowed to carry sidearms. But if some one does carry, I think it should be out in the open so everyone can see the asshole they're dealing with. If you going to carry, have some balls and carry openly.
You see this is good dialogue, I don't carry because I don't have a permit to do so and I agree with you trish on your point. Violent tendencies don't just come to a person one day they are the product of long standing issues in one's own life. That is what the mental and background checks are supposed to 'weed out'. And by the way there are towns in Texas were it is legal to carry a firearm as long as it is not concealed. It has to be in plain sight. Criminals prey on the weak and most certainly would not choose a target with a gun. I'll admit the system isn't perfect but it is the one we have and we must live with that. It is far better to choose for oneself than to have your choices made for you don't you think? (this goes for all politcal and personal issues, example abortion) We the people have the right to vote, we live by that standard and that is what makes this country great.
I still prefer to live where there's no carry, concealed or otherwise. Choices that effect the safety of others are not entirely your own. It's not at all clear to me that the Texas towns that allow open carry have stumbled onto the solution we "must live with". I agree, it's not perfect.
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Originally Posted by zippylongorgan
You would lose that bet:
Murders/100,000 population( National Average = 7)
In descending order by population
New York City - 7.3
Los Angeles - 12.4
Chicago -16.6
Houston - 18.2 (Largest city in Texas)
Phoenix - 15.4
Philadelphia - 27.7
San Antonio - 9.2
San Diego - 5.4
Dallas - 15
Miami - 19.6
State rates are even more telling. Very conservative, pro gun rights states lead the list of firearms deaths /100,000 people:
Alaska - 20
Louisiana - 19.5
Wyoming - 18.8
Arizona - 18
Mississippi - 17.3
Nevada - 17.3
New Mexico - 16.6
Arkansas - 16.3
Alabama - 16.2
Tennessee - 15.4
The ten at the bottom shouldn't come as a surprise to you, with tough gun laws.
Iowa - 6.7
Maine - 6.5
Minnesota - 6
New Hampshire - 5.8
New York - 5.1
Rhode Island - 5.1
New Jersey - 4.9
Connecticut - 4.3
Massachusetts - 3.1
Hawaii - 2.8
Yeah, those numbers definitely back up what you were saying
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http://miamifl.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri...te-per-100-000