Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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SanDiegoPervySage
Verbal and non verbal cues given. Lets not act like body language is no longer taken into consideration.
"I'd prefer not to mention everything he did, but one thing that angered me quite a bit was the choking. The universal sign to ease up on choking is a tap, I tapped Christian several times and he didn't stop choking me."-Oriana Frost
"We got into his car and he immediately tried kissing me, french kissing me. I pulled away and he took me to my hotel (that I had to pay for)."-Oriana Frost
"There, after a god damn ten hour flight that should have been 5 hours max, he explained that he needed to film a "teaser" for the videos. I declined because I looked and felt like hell. He kept persisting and I relented, at no time was I told that this "teaser" would be sold, he described in such a way that it seemed very much like a trailer for the scenes."-Oriana Frost
"During this wait Christian approached me again, grabbed me by the waist and tried making out with me. I pushed away and told him that I wasn't interested in doing anything I wasn't hired for, and that I would wait for Damien. Christian said, "It wouldn't kill you to be affectionate." To which I replied, "I will be when we start filming." Christian walked away and was distant and sulky for the majority of the day."-Oriana Frost
So rejected kisses and asking someone you hired to film to shoot a teaser is rape ? Oriana’s entire story is filled with complaints from having to pay for her own hotel to not liking how Christian’s ass feels. Really. Is that part of the abuse? That you don’t like how the inside of his ass feels? It’s easy to tell she’s reaching for every possible angle to smear Christian but there’s no real abuse. So then she writes this long long very long story framing the entire experience as holistically unpleasant to make him seem like a monster.
In her story he can’t win. He tries to kiss her, she rejects him. Then the very next sentence is how he was “distant and sulky” the rest of the day. Cmon. That’s the most loaded negative way to write that he left you alone like you asked.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Michelle Firestone
So rejected kisses and asking someone you hired to film to shoot a teaser is rape ? Oriana’s entire story is filled with complaints from having to pay for her own hotel to not liking how Christian’s ass feels. Really. Is that part of the abuse? That you don’t like how the inside of his ass feels? It’s easy to tell she’s reaching for every possible angle to smear Christian but there’s no real abuse. So then she writes this long long very long story framing the entire experience as holistically unpleasant to make him seem like a monster.
In her story he can’t win. He tries to kiss her, she rejects him. Then the very next sentence is how he was “distant and sulky” the rest of the day. Cmon. That’s the most loaded negative way to write that he left you alone like you asked.
When did I say rape? Your quote, "sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever" obviously implies anything from being unprofessionally annoying to full on ignoring one's physical limitations. You clearly chose ignore the other parts of her story as well as focus on full on rape even though that's not what your quote was limited to. You chose to ignore the choking incident and focus on the hotel incident trying to make Oriana seem as petty as possible even after I listed specific quotes. If she's reaching for the abuse claims, you're about 20 times as worse by ignoring whats right in front of your face by trying to defend him.
Of course she rejected his kiss. They weren't filming at the time. "Distant and sulky" is hardly loaded when you have more serious accusations in the story.
Your positive experience doesn't negate anyone else's negative experience.
Also, this is a smaller issue compared to physically violating one's consent, but since when is being upset about the person who hired you not following through on their financial obligations(hotel, food, etc.) a bad thing? Since when is a lack of professionalism something to not be upset about?
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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HA has an abundance of number crunching talent in Red Vex, Kelli Blu and Trish. So here's another crunch, with input from CXXX requested. We have 8 complaints. CXXX, how many different talents have appeared on your T-ecosystem inception to date. If any others want to voice complaints, let them speak or forever hold their peace. Let Grooby Steven weigh in on whether CXXX's complaints ratio is out of line with industry standards. If he is, I suspect he'll figure out a solution, being the savvy marketer that he is. And let's stop vilifying industry participants for speaking on this. Sex harassment complaints in porn are a new frontier. Mistakes will be made, and hopefully will be rectified, not punished.
"forever hold their peace"
What?...
"Mistakes"
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Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Let Grooby Steven weigh in on whether CXXX's complaints ratio is out of line with industry standards. If he is, I suspect he'll figure out a solution, being the savvy marketer that he is.
I'm not qualified to discuss anything other than my own companies or my own personal experiences.
Overall we get very little complaints over the male performers or producers that have worked for us over the years. With Some producers have swiftly exited the company during that time.
10,000 or more models worked with, many multiple times.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
I've heard favorable and disparaging things about CXXX over the years. Don't really read to much into it because most the time it all boils down to one thing. Being a victim. I'm not taking anything away from what the experiences the girls may or may not have had nor am I condemning anyone. In today's society, being a victim seems like a profession. Why? Because by being a victim, a person is not held accountable for their behavior and poor life decisions. When someone is embracing the victim mentality and seeing the world as a threat, where people are doing things "to them" rather than just doing them despite the fact that someone else doesn't prefer it, it is, in a way, a form of narcissism. The person is unable to understand how he or she was not too important to treat this way, or centers themselves in what they imagine to be the other person's thought process, i.e.: girl didn't enjoy doing a scene with him, says nothing. The flood of #metoo accusations is getting bigger and gaining speed. Girl digs deep into her memory to find any situation that could be used and twisted so she can be #metoo. Might as well say "There must be some reason for (career failure/no work/shitty pay etc), I dont want it to be merit-based, so I'm going to say you're being evil to me thats why I'm screwed"
On a side note: How do I like or unlike someones post. I don't see any like button or thumbs up/down.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
This thread is coming across as a bunch of drama queens acting like drama queens.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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xplanetx
I've heard favorable and disparaging things about CXXX over the years. Don't really read to much into it because most the time it all boils down to one thing. Being a victim. I'm not taking anything away from what the experiences the girls may or may not have had nor am I condemning anyone. In today's society, being a victim seems like a profession. Why? Because by being a victim, a person is not held accountable for their behavior and poor life decisions. When someone is embracing the victim mentality and seeing the world as a threat, where people are doing things "to them" rather than just doing them despite the fact that someone else doesn't prefer it, it is, in a way, a form of narcissism. The person is unable to understand how he or she was not too important to treat this way, or centers themselves in what they imagine to be the other person's thought process, i.e.: girl didn't enjoy doing a scene with him, says nothing. The flood of #metoo accusations is getting bigger and gaining speed. Girl digs deep into her memory to find any situation that could be used and twisted so she can be #metoo. Might as well say "There must be some reason for (career failure/no work/shitty pay etc), I dont want it to be merit-based, so I'm going to say you're being evil to me thats why I'm screwed"
On a side note: How do I like or unlike someones post. I don't see any like button or thumbs up/down.
Regardless of what the actual situation is with these performers and Christian (only they will ever know the real truth I believe) I just wanted to point out that you have immediately contradicted yourself in what you have said.
I suspect you have never been the victim of any abuse (or realised you were yet) as your words show a complete lack of empathy for any one who has suffered from it. Being a victim is not a "profession" and victims aren't narcissists; your suggestion that is what victims are implies you are quite a cold and unfeeling individual - I pity you for that.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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SanDiegoPervySage
When did I say rape? Your quote, "sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever" obviously implies anything from being unprofessionally annoying to full on ignoring one's physical limitations. You clearly chose ignore the other parts of her story as well as focus on full on rape even though that's not what your quote was limited to. You chose to ignore the choking incident and focus on the hotel incident trying to make Oriana seem as petty as possible even after I listed specific quotes. If she's reaching for the abuse claims, you're about 20 times as worse by ignoring whats right in front of your face by trying to defend him.
Of course she rejected his kiss. They weren't filming at the time. "Distant and sulky" is hardly loaded when you have more serious accusations in the story.
Your positive experience doesn't negate anyone else's negative experience.
Also, this is a smaller issue compared to physically violating one's consent, but since when is being upset about the person who hired you not following through on their financial obligations(hotel, food, etc.) a bad thing? Since when is a lack of professionalism something to not be upset about?
I’m not ignoring it. Choking is a part of porn. So is ass to mouth and slapping. I don’t believe Christian would purposely choke too long or after tapping out. She included the chair being uncomfortable like it’s an offense to her by Christian himself. Plus tons of other inconsequential things. With the context and tone of her story I feel like any choking at all would be described later as too much and malicious. No matter what actually happened.
Yes absolutely I’m saying she is being as petty as possible. That’s what she’s doing. You don’t find what they’re doing disparaging to victims of actual abuse? No, it’s not ok to not pay someone. Yes, it’s ok to tell people he didn’t pay what he said. That’s obvious. I don’t care to talk about that because they’re calling him an abuser, and I don’t believe it. That’s kinda what I’m focusing on.
She obviously had a bad experience. She said she quit porn right after, so I think it’s safe to say she made the wrong choice to perform in the first place? Or at least if there’s sex acts that are going to instantly turn the situation from normal everyday scene into emotional distress then she should probably mention it. Or communicate and after the first limit was broken stop and make it clear what is and isn’t ok. Otherwise if you don’t do that, you’ll have a bad time making porn when your limits keep getting broken and no one but you has any idea.
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Michelle Firestone
I’m not ignoring it. Choking is a part of porn. So is ass to mouth and slapping. I don’t believe Christian would purposely choke too long or after tapping out. She included the chair being uncomfortable like it’s an offense to her by Christian himself. Plus tons of other inconsequential things. With the context and tone of her story I feel like any choking at all would be described later as too much and malicious. No matter what actually happened.
Yes absolutely I’m saying she is being as petty as possible. That’s what she’s doing. You don’t find what they’re doing disparaging to victims of actual abuse? No, it’s not ok to not pay someone. Yes, it’s ok to tell people he didn’t pay what he said. That’s obvious. I don’t care to talk about that because they’re calling him an abuser, and I don’t believe it. That’s kinda what I’m focusing on.
She obviously had a bad experience. She said she quit porn right after, so I think it’s safe to say she made the wrong choice to perform in the first place? Or at least if there’s sex acts that are going to instantly turn the situation from normal everyday scene into emotional distress then she should probably mention it. Or communicate and after the first limit was broken stop and make it clear what is and isn’t ok. Otherwise if you don’t do that, you’ll have a bad time making porn when your limits keep getting broken and no one but you has any idea.
ver nice michelle ... i like your views on porn . they are brilliant
Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
I kinda know Christian... not personally but Ive known the guy for like 10 years online and I always hear him getting shit. Forum posters acting like they know the guy from what they "know" from what they have read online. Which means nothing. Unless you know the guy personally, just shut up.
