17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

Yep. It wasn't till I read a an article in today's Guardian that I discovered that the events took place six months ago,.

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it was this year 2/26/12

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Yep. It wasn't till I read a an article in today's Guardian that I discovered that the events took place six months ago, and that if it hadn't been for the Martin family's search for justice, it would have been lost in the Florida police files a long time ago. Eerie parallels with the Stephen Lawrence case in the UK back in the 90s.

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If you are going to jump into a debate at least get your key facts straight. Treyvon died Feb. 26, 2012 (which is a little over a month ago). If this case parallels anything it is the Duke rape case.

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Give me ONE reason why in the United States of America you follow or detain someone walking to their aunt's house.

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If you are going to jump into a debate at least get your key facts straight. Treyvon died Feb. 26, 2012 (which is a little over a month ago). If this case parallels anything it is the Duke rape case.

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what it resembles is the susan smith case

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

I read his twitter feed:

“Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2 u!”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/se...#ixzz1rPQBR9J5

But I guess it is politically incorrect to mention that.

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since when does talking shit online makes one a harden,violent criminal??? if thats the case than all of us on this forum deserve to locked up or gunned down.
i was trying really hard to ignore this thread because i knew how much of an emotionally charged and controversial subject this is (my boyfriend and i had an all out war on account of it lol). in my opinion (and the opinion of any logical person) the facts speak for themselves regardless of the race issues.
there were several mistakes made by both zimmerman and the justice department that warrants an investigation. as a member of the neighborhood watch zimmerman wasnt supposed to carry firearms nor actively confront any suspicions persons or situations. when he called 911 the emergency operator also told him to not purse the young man. even if trayvon attacked zimmerman first is that really a wrong reaction?? some guy is following you in his truck at night,hops out and confronts you with a gun.i know my fight or flight response would be triggered and i would feel highly threatened.
its very interesting that people are like oh trayvon smoked weed,was suspended from school and talked shit online but lets totally over look zimmermans arrest for domestic abuse and assault of an officer.
im not saying zimmerman is a stone cold,racially motivated killer but for him to not even get a manslaughter charge is complete bullshit.

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If you are going to jump into a debate at least get your key facts straight. Treyvon died Feb. 26, 2012 (which is a little over a month ago). If this case parallels anything it is the Duke rape case.

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Six weeks. My bad.

I am not saying who is innocent and who is guilty in this incident but maybe after watching my link maybe then you might understand what might be inside of Zimmermans head.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/0...ght-on-camera/

I know the two incidents are completely different but what happens in Baltimore is not a one time isolated incident. These types of attacks are quite common but for the most part go unreported cause the city is a one(liberal) newspaper town that edits heavily the local news. Maybe if these attacks by black thugs were to get under control maybe white people wouldn't be thinking criminal when they see a black guy. The violence is a two way street, it has to stop at both ends.

And I keep hearing how the Florida case is different cause no one got arrested, well the same happens with black criminals as well, some times they don't get arrested either. We had a prosecutor here named Patrica Jessamy who was noted for not prosecuting crimes committed by black guys even though the police had overwhelming evidence,, it does happen the other way.There was a case here in Baltimore different but still had racial bias to it, where a Chinese guy was robbed and killed, they caught the guy dead to rights but the mostly black jury let him go free, and one of the black jurors said he couldn't convict a black guy, he couldn't see another black guy go to jail. So to say that injustice just occurs to black people is silly.

And I still say to anyone on this forum who doesn't believe in what I say, just come to Baltimore and spend three months of the hot summer in the ghetto part and let's see what you think about justice, racism and all the other social babble you talk of. I would especially love to see our British liberal posters on this forum come to Baltimore, wear a hidden camera and walk about the bad parts of the city,, this scenario would be quite interesting indeed, you'll get to see racism from a different perspective.

I just feel that people seem to choose which incidents that are more serious or more news worthy than others but I feel that all violent criminals should be dealt with.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latasha_Harlins what this case reminds me of.

If one looks at the video link I put up you might se some similarities to what Zimmerman says.

On the video one guy punches the white guy and the back of his head hits the pavement That was just one guy who did the initial damage, the other thugs just robbed him. I wonder what would have happened if the white guy had a gun and shot the guy who hit him after he he hit the pavement. I know what would happen, Sharpton and his band of merry men would descend on Baltimore, Obama would add another son to his family and posters here would be writing for justice and how the white guy should die or go to jail for shooting a possibly unarmed thug. That might not be the case in the Florida shooting but one could see that it is possible that it could be the way it happened, how Zimmerman says it happened. Just think, what would happen if there was no video and the white guy in the Baltimore attack shot his attacker.

Another thing, would those other people in the video of the Baltimore attack say that the white guy was in the right if he shot the attacker or would they side with the black attacker?

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Six weeks. My bad.

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My bad too. So I'll revise my most appropriately.

"He was detained and released as shown when he was taken to the police department . They went by the book. "__yourdaddy.

That's the trouble here. The book is fuck-assed-backwards. The stand-your-ground-law is a ridiculous, dangerous and irresponsible piece of asinine boilerplate legislation from ALEC. Have you ever heard of one civilian shooting another dead minutes before the police arrive and the gun is not temporarily confiscated for lab analysis? Apparently in Florida it's against the law to stand your ground using your fists and your box of skittles, but it's A-OK to single out, hunt down and murder an unarmed kid whose guilty of being black---oops! I mean guilty of being a suspicious visitor to the neighborhood (wearing a hoodie, being black, talking on a cell phone and rattling a box of skittles). Before stand-your-ground Zimmerman would've been arrested, not simply detained, and the crime properly investigated. The law is an obstruction of justice and an declaration of open season on racial minorities.

The shooting happened on Feb 26, but it didn't really gather media momentum until about the second week of March. It's not like this crime sparked flames of anger that were just waiting to ignite; rather people slowly became aware of the merits of the Martin's case, the travesty of justice that followed the shooting, the widespread adoption of the idiotic law (written by the NRA in boilerplate form) that let Zimmerman off the hook, and the obvious racial overtones of the shooting and coverup. All these things come together in this single case. That's why it's news.

I know exactly what the hardcore ghettos are like. We have some of the worst ghettos in the country right here in NJ, and it doesn't change my opinion about this case one bit. We can having ghetto pissing contests all day.

"Shoot First Regret Later" Camden, NJ Documentary Trailer [BUCK50ENT] - YouTube

I'm not sure why everyone feels compelled to use other situations to define this one incident. You don't need to live anywhere in particular to separate the facts from the speculation. If Zimmerman seemed justified, I'd applaud him. But he doesn't; not to me. Imo he whole thing stinks of bigotry and nepotism. It's SSDD for LE and the criminal justice system in Florida.

Vyonne, my two white friends got chased by a mob of black people on the grounds of the Washington Monument in DC, broad daylight, Human Kindness Day, and the black cop on a horse said "What in the hell are YOU doing here?
When Russtafa talks about Muslims I know EXACTLY what he's saying without being there.
I tried to "Make light" about racism with my black neighbor and I witnessed first hand the pain on his face and in his voice. He wasn't some dumb jig, I guarantee you even the President of the United States remembers the first time he heard the word "nigger"
They say in the great American melting pot, black people didn't melt.

There is NO reason to follow or detain any kid walking to his aunts house. Unless you're prejudiced. You can't tail a black kid in Florida because of what some blacks did in Baltimore. Do black people do bad things? Yes. Should they get a pass cause they're black? NO.
Mildcigar can think whatever he wants (unfortunately) But he can't take justice in his own hands as an armed vigilante. That's a whole other thing.
Zimmerman's lawyers are going to try and blow this up into some big thing, but the second the 9-1-1 operator said stay in the car, he stopped being neighborhood watch and became a criminal. And when someone gets shot while in a criminal act, that's murder. This is what happens when fools carry guns.

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Vyonne, my two white friends got chased by a mob of black people on the grounds of the Washington Monument in DC, broad daylight, Human Kindness Day, and the black cop on a horse said "What in the hell are YOU doing here?
When Russtafa talks about Muslims I know EXACTLY what he's saying without being there.
I tried to "Make light" about racism with my black neighbor and I witnessed first hand the pain on his face and in his voice. He wasn't some dumb jig, I guarantee you even the President of the United States remembers the first time he heard the word "nigger"
They say in the great American melting pot, black people didn't melt.

There is NO reason to follow or detain any kid walking to his aunts house. Unless you're prejudiced. You can't tail a black kid in Florida because of what some blacks did in Baltimore. Do black people do bad things? Yes. Should they get a pass cause they're black? NO.
Mildcigar can think whatever he wants (unfortunately) But he can't take justice in his own hands as an armed vigilante. That's a whole other thing.
Zimmerman's lawyers are going to try and blow this up into some big thing, but the second the 9-1-1 operator said stay in the car, he stopped being neighborhood watch and became a criminal. And when someone gets shot while in a criminal act, that's murder. This is what happens when fools carry guns.

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Agree with this post.

BTW, I live in D.C. and would love to know the circumstances that resulted in your White friends being chased by a group of Black teens in broad daylight( I assume the age).

YOu hear about things like that happening at night when there's not much security around, but I won't act like it never happens.
Hell tourists here get mugged here in downtown D.C. more than any major U.S. tourist destination.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

I know exactly what the hardcore ghettos are like. We have some of the worst ghettos in the country right here in NJ, and it doesn't change my opinion about this case one bit. We can having ghetto pissing contests all day.

"Shoot First Regret Later" Camden, NJ Documentary Trailer [BUCK50ENT] - YouTube

I'm not sure why everyone feels compelled to use other situations to define this one incident. You don't need to live anywhere in particular to separate the facts from the speculation. If Zimmerman seemed justified, I'd applaud him. But he doesn't; not to me. Imo he whole thing stinks of bigotry and nepotism. It's SSDD for LE and the criminal justice system in Florida.

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Lol your probably the most insightful person I know on here... No joke.

Can I add, to the forum basing of on Nicole, Ghetto comes in all forms, blacks did not create ghetto, there have been many ghetto's since the beginning of time, particularly the bohemian era, like in France, Romania, Italy, etc Ghetto is everywhere.

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BTW, I live in D.C. and would love to know the circumstances that resulted in your White friends being chased by a group of Black teens in broad daylight( I assume the age).

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I'm an old codger. Human Kindness Day. 1974???? Stevie Wonder. On the Mall. Free.
I was living with three other guys in a big house. Two of them went to meet up with some black friends from work. They were standing at the edge of the crowd, when one roomate noticed all the black people were looking at them with "blank stares" Next thing you know, it was a footrace. And my one friend who ran track in school, my other friend passed him!!!!
They didn't bet hurt, just scared.
In my whoring days when Marion Barry was Mayor, I got mugged a few times, being where I wasn't supposed to be. This was the crack/AIDS eighties. I GOT STORIES!!!!

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Vyonne, my two white friends got chased by a mob of black people on the grounds of the Washington Monument in DC, broad daylight, Human Kindness Day, and the black cop on a horse said "What in the hell are YOU doing here?
When Russtafa talks about Muslims I know EXACTLY what he's saying without being there.
I tried to "Make light" about racism with my black neighbor and I witnessed first hand the pain on his face and in his voice. He wasn't some dumb jig, I guarantee you even the President of the United States remembers the first time he heard the word "nigger"
They say in the great American melting pot, black people didn't melt.

There is NO reason to follow or detain any kid walking to his aunts house. Unless you're prejudiced. You can't tail a black kid in Florida because of what some blacks did in Baltimore. Do black people do bad things? Yes. Should they get a pass cause they're black? NO.
Mildcigar can think whatever he wants (unfortunately) But he can't take justice in his own hands as an armed vigilante. That's a whole other thing.
Zimmerman's lawyers are going to try and blow this up into some big thing, but the second the 9-1-1 operator said stay in the car, he stopped being neighborhood watch and became a criminal. And when someone gets shot while in a criminal act, that's murder. This is what happens when fools carry guns.

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I understand what you are saying. I was not trying to say cause one group does something then it's OK for another group. I was just trying to say what I think might be in Zimmerman's head. I am not a citizen patrol person but I most certainly would cross the street or try to avoid a black guy walking down the same street, especially at night. Yes it might be racist but past experiences, videos like I posted and stories from other people make me cautious. I don't care if I offend anyone by crossing the street, I am not put in this world to please everyone's idea of life. Where I lived it's just common sense to be careful.

Again, Zimmerman was not just walking down the street as I was, he seemed to be on a mission but that is only from what I read so far. I was just trying in a way, why Zimmerman might have these prejudices or fears.

I also don't know all the facts. I also don't know what the law is about gated communities. Are gated communities similar in law to an apartment building. What I mean is if someone strange enters an apartment building is the doorman or some other person like a building super or block captain sort of person allowed to stop the person and question them, are they allowed to follow the individual in the apartment building. And does a gated community fall under the same rules/laws. That is if this even actually happened in the gated community, I don't really know personally the whole story. If the rules/laws are similar then it might be OK for Zimmerman(if he was a neighborhood watch guy) to follow the guy.

As far as shooting the guy, I can not say in this case cause I don't know what exactly happened, apparently Zimmerman seems to be the holder of the truth, if he tells it or not is something else. But if I was to be attacked by someone who is unarmed and they were to punch me like the guy in my vid did, then if I had a gun I would surely blow him away. I don't care about his life at all, he made the decision to die when he hit me.

I hope my post wasn't confusing Mr. Butt, can I call you Mr. Butt, sorry I had to say that. lol But I am just trying to put what could have been in the head of Zimmerman. And from talking to some older black people where I use to live, they had the same fears of young black guys as I did, maybe more so, cause I am able to move, they can't.

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Agree with this post.

BTW, I live in D.C. and would love to know the circumstances that resulted in your White friends being chased by a group of Black teens in broad daylight( I assume the age).

YOu hear about things like that happening at night when there's not much security around, but I won't act like it never happens.
Hell tourists here get mugged here in downtown D.C. more than any major U.S. tourist destination.

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Something similar almost happened to my boyfriend in NE but the guys stopped when I started crying....

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I understand what you are saying. I was not trying to say cause one group does something then it's OK for another group. I was just trying to say what I think might be in Zimmerman's head. I am not a citizen patrol person but I most certainly would cross the street or try to avoid a black guy walking down the same street, especially at night. Yes it might be racist but past experiences, videos like I posted and stories from other people make me cautious. I don't care if I offend anyone by crossing the street, I am not put in this world to please everyone's idea of life. Where I lived it's just common sense to be careful.

Again, Zimmerman was not just walking down the street as I was, he seemed to be on a mission but that is only from what I read so far. I was just trying in a way, why Zimmerman might have these prejudices or fears.

I also don't know all the facts. I also don't know what the law is about gated communities. Are gated communities similar in law to an apartment building. What I mean is if someone strange enters an apartment building is the doorman or some other person like a building super or block captain sort of person allowed to stop the person and question them, are they allowed to follow the individual in the apartment building. And does a gated community fall under the same rules/laws. That is if this even actually happened in the gated community, I don't really know personally the whole story. If the rules/laws are similar then it might be OK for Zimmerman(if he was a neighborhood watch guy) to follow the guy.

As far as shooting the guy, I can not say in this case cause I don't know what exactly happened, apparently Zimmerman seems to be the holder of the truth, if he tells it or not is something else. But if I was to be attacked by someone who is unarmed and they were to punch me like the guy in my vid did, then if I had a gun I would surely blow him away. I don't care about his life at all, he made the decision to die when he hit me.

I hope my post wasn't confusing Mr. Butt, can I call you Mr. Butt, sorry I had to say that. lol But I am just trying to put what could have been in the head of Zimmerman. And from talking to some older black people where I use to live, they had the same fears of young black guys as I did, maybe more so, cause I am able to move, they can't.

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being a young trans woman i have the same apprehensions about young black men.i would be a lie if i didnt say that i get nervous when i see a group of young black men of a certain disposition.there is a huge difference however with being a bit vigilant/watchful in case of trouble and what zimmerman did.he followed a teenage kid at night and confronted him with a gun against the advice of everyone.zimmerman escalated the situation to a completely absurd level.

where i live, if u see someone out of the ordinary,especially a white person ect..it's automatically assumed they're looking for drugs

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where i live, if u see someone out of the ordinary,especially a white person ect..it's automatically assumed they're looking for drugs

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dude you live in harlem which is becoming way more gentrified...you see white people all through there

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Can I add, to the forum basing of on Nicole, Ghetto comes in all forms, blacks did not create ghetto, there have been many ghetto's since the beginning of time, particularly the bohemian era, like in France, Romania, Italy, etc Ghetto is everywhere.

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With all due respect (seriously) the word ghetto and it's usuage of the Jewish, or Polish, or Asian ghetto's of the past in European cities, was a word just to designate an area that was predominantly one race or group of people. There weren't the negative connocatations to how we apply to word now to inner-city run-down, poor and/or dangerous places.
Of course, poor and dangerous areas have been around since cities began but they weren't just one race or another.

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I hope my post wasn't confusing Mr. Butt, can I call you Mr. Butt, sorry I had to say that. lol But I am just trying to put what could have been in the head of Zimmerman.

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One time in DC I was so drunk I couldn't remember where I parked, and in a dark alley five black kids attacked me. Did I tell this story before? I went down on one hand and came up runnin'. Then I noticed I was chasing a kid. I went from scared to mad. He ran around a car and disappeared back into the dark alley. On the curb, beneath the streetlights, I screamed every demeaning racist slur I could think of into the black alley. When I ran out of things to say, I started repeating. When I was finished, I turned and noticed these four old black guys leaning against a nearby car.....Eyes wide open and jaws dropped...."Did they rob you?"
YEAH!!!!!!!
Yvonne, you can call me Butt, you can even call me Buttsy Whatsy..:kiss:
There are two sides to every story, that's why we have JUDGES. Zimmerman has his side, he was protecting his neighborhood from thieves. He was carrying a gun for self defense. If he was wearing a Police Uniform, Treyvon would have explained himself, if stopped, and that would have been it. Even if Treyvon had beaten and stripped that guy in Baltimore, flown down to Florida to cop 10 kilos of coke, there was no reason to follow him in his aunt's gated community. You're presumed innocent. Until proven guilty. That's the first thing Zimmerman should had learned.
If you put your hands on a cop, you're going DOWN. They don't consider what they do a sport. They beat Rodney King because cops die in high speed car chases. I used to be a drunk driver, I had to learn the hard way that ain't cool. I'm probably more like Zimmerman than Treyvon, in fact I know I am. But he fucked up and killed a guy, and there's gonna be guys following him in prison........well, that's a whole nother thread.

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where i live, if u see someone out of the ordinary,especially a white person ect..it's automatically assumed they're looking for drugs

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That sounds like Washington Heights. lol

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Originally Posted by yourdaddy

This half-black idiot President and his half-black idiot Atty General need to start leading all Americans...not just African-Americans.

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Where's the proof that Eric Holder is "half-black"? And if you really want to get technical about it most African-Americans are "half-black", more or less, due to the One Drop Rule from a long time ago, but it's still perpetuated today.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

The guy who actually was ARRESTED for assaulting a PO and for hitting his wife is an 'innocent'.
THe kid with the spotless criminal record is a 'thug'.

Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

I read his twitter feed:

“Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2 u!”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/se...#ixzz1rPQBR9J5

But I guess it is politically incorrect to mention that.

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No, it's not politically incorrect to mention that. But in the process of mentioning that, please also take the time to mention the fact that Zimmerman is the one who actually has as criminal history. Yet you want to point out what he said on Twitter and edit your post so you can attach a photo of him sticking his middle finger up? Don't be picky, bro.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

I think the above post underscores my point about social pathologies that run rampant in the black community. The poster is advocating mob violence against someone and thinks nothing of it.

Mark my words that this whole episode is going to backfire against the race hustlers, the black community in general, and Obama in particular. Just see what a race riot in FL does to Obama's reelection chances. The President should never have got himself involved in this mess. It just shows that he has very little self control.

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I'm black and I don't advocate any violence towards Zimmerman. It's a shame that some people are. I'm not sure if giovanni's HOPES Zimmerman is attacked by someone. But, something doesn't smell right. False information about what Zimmerman did has been put out there by the folks who know him personally and by the police. If this is the case, then someone is trying to cover up something. Otherwise, why this huge scramble? Therefore, if something bad happens to him, I really don't care. I wouldn't care if his death photos get exploited on rotten.com. I don't have remorse for those who are guilty of harming the innocent. But I will say that Obama shouldn't said that Treyvon would have looked like his son. The moment he said that I KNEW people would jump all over him for it. And they did. People on this forum, the white nationalist trolls on Youtube, and Newt Gingrich.

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cigar is a dumb ass what about all you redneck crackers perpetuating violence before and after Obama was elected and wob by a landslide majority. they called the potus a coon. left death threats militias were started ket you overlook this to state your racist views I am white and am disqusted by you and your ilk. there are murderers and psychos and criminals of all races and sexes.to your point there was a black woman beat 2 death by a hammer recently by a crazed white man, did not really make news guess why the man was arrested soon after the assault & is going to trial >how do you lie with yourself I hope one of your kids marries another race (you finish the thought you )fucking joke!!!!

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This rant was unnecessary. But it should be stated that, yes, there were a ton of vile comments about Obama just before and after he won the election. That was to be expected. But...these were also from politicians. The e-mail comments and racist images that several of them were sending to one another as jokes were revealed to the public and reveals a lot about the true feelings/nature of those so called "conservatives" who try to make it seem that only liberals are racists (yeah...I'm sure that Americans with views that lean towards anything like Nazis, KKK, and Aryans vote for liberals/Democrats). Also, remember that some Neo-Nazis had guns and were trying to reach the area where Obama was when he got elected. And speaking of guns, I'm sure everyone remembers the Tea Party protestors who decided to carry guns to places where Obama would be speaking as a way to apparently show him that they believe in their right to bear arms. I can tell you right how that a lot of those people were more intertested in being an asshole and trying to intimidate someone with a thug mentality wrapped in what they see as "conservatism" and patriotism. And I'm sure none of them had racist thoughts about Obama, right? Sure.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

In most states including the nation's capital, when you admit to murdering someone who's unarmed, you have to plead your innocence before a judge and make your case before a jury of your peers.

Most pussies don't get to go home the same night and sleep in their beds after crying to cops that a seventeen year old gave them a bloody nose in a fight they instigated and then cry , 'self defense'.

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This is true, yet it apparently didn't apply to Zimmerman.

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Originally Posted by Yvonne183

I am not saying who is innocent and who is guilty in this incident but maybe after watching my link maybe then you might understand what might be inside of Zimmermans head.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/0...ght-on-camera/

I know the two incidents are completely different but what happens in Baltimore is not a one time isolated incident. These types of attacks are quite common but for the most part go unreported cause the city is a one(liberal) newspaper town that edits heavily the local news. Maybe if these attacks by black thugs were to get under control maybe white people wouldn't be thinking criminal when they see a black guy. The violence is a two way street, it has to stop at both ends.

And I keep hearing how the Florida case is different cause no one got arrested, well the same happens with black criminals as well, some times they don't get arrested either. We had a prosecutor here named Patrica Jessamy who was noted for not prosecuting crimes committed by black guys even though the police had overwhelming evidence,, it does happen the other way.There was a case here in Baltimore different but still had racial bias to it, where a Chinese guy was robbed and killed, they caught the guy dead to rights but the mostly black jury let him go free, and one of the black jurors said he couldn't convict a black guy, he couldn't see another black guy go to jail. So to say that injustice just occurs to black people is silly.

And I still say to anyone on this forum who doesn't believe in what I say, just come to Baltimore and spend three months of the hot summer in the ghetto part and let's see what you think about justice, racism and all the other social babble you talk of. I would especially love to see our British liberal posters on this forum come to Baltimore, wear a hidden camera and walk about the bad parts of the city,, this scenario would be quite interesting indeed, you'll get to see racism from a different perspective.

I just feel that people seem to choose which incidents that are more serious or more news worthy than others but I feel that all violent criminals should be dealt with.

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This is true. Racism and hate works both ways. White/black/etc will try to downplay and nitpick and complain and cover something up when someone else goes after someone who is of the same race that they are, and it's not right.

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Originally Posted by Yvonne183

If one looks at the video link I put up you might se some similarities to what Zimmerman says.

On the video one guy punches the white guy and the back of his head hits the pavement That was just one guy who did the initial damage, the other thugs just robbed him. I wonder what would have happened if the white guy had a gun and shot the guy who hit him after he he hit the pavement. I know what would happen, Sharpton and his band of merry men would descend on Baltimore, Obama would add another son to his family and posters here would be writing for justice and how the white guy should die or go to jail for shooting a possibly unarmed thug. That might not be the case in the Florida shooting but one could see that it is possible that it could be the way it happened, how Zimmerman says it happened. Just think, what would happen if there was no video and the white guy in the Baltimore attack shot his attacker.

Another thing, would those other people in the video of the Baltimore attack say that the white guy was in the right if he shot the attacker or would they side with the black attacker?

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You're right, the Reverends would do just that. I, along with a lot of other African-Americans who can actually use their brain don't give a fuck what those two idiots say or do. And OF COURSE, the stereotypical, lowlife, idiot black thugs (they all fall under the category of that one forbidden word that shouldn't be repeated unless you are black because it then all of a sudden isn't degrading and offensive; remember what comedian Chris Rock had to say about black people and then THOSE types of people; much in the same way you have white people and then trash that just happens to be white) would be against the man for shooting in self-defense. And I said it before and I'll say it again. Obama shouldn't have said that statement about Treyvon. That was bad news.

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I understand what you are saying. I was not trying to say cause one group does something then it's OK for another group. I was just trying to say what I think might be in Zimmerman's head. I am not a citizen patrol person but I most certainly would cross the street or try to avoid a black guy walking down the same street, especially at night. Yes it might be racist but past experiences, videos like I posted and stories from other people make me cautious. I don't care if I offend anyone by crossing the street, I am not put in this world to please everyone's idea of life. Where I lived it's just common sense to be careful.

Again, Zimmerman was not just walking down the street as I was, he seemed to be on a mission but that is only from what I read so far. I was just trying in a way, why Zimmerman might have these prejudices or fears.

I also don't know all the facts. I also don't know what the law is about gated communities. Are gated communities similar in law to an apartment building. What I mean is if someone strange enters an apartment building is the doorman or some other person like a building super or block captain sort of person allowed to stop the person and question them, are they allowed to follow the individual in the apartment building. And does a gated community fall under the same rules/laws. That is if this even actually happened in the gated community, I don't really know personally the whole story. If the rules/laws are similar then it might be OK for Zimmerman(if he was a neighborhood watch guy) to follow the guy.

As far as shooting the guy, I can not say in this case cause I don't know what exactly happened, apparently Zimmerman seems to be the holder of the truth, if he tells it or not is something else. But if I was to be attacked by someone who is unarmed and they were to punch me like the guy in my vid did, then if I had a gun I would surely blow him away. I don't care about his life at all, he made the decision to die when he hit me.

I hope my post wasn't confusing Mr. Butt, can I call you Mr. Butt, sorry I had to say that. lol But I am just trying to put what could have been in the head of Zimmerman. And from talking to some older black people where I use to live, they had the same fears of young black guys as I did, maybe more so, cause I am able to move, they can't.

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being a young trans woman i have the same apprehensions about young black men.i would be a lie if i didnt say that i get nervous when i see a group of young black men of a certain disposition.

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no, neither one of you are wrong for feeling that way. be honest. I've been honest with all of the comments I've made in this thread, even expressing some views that were anarchic and probably crazy sounding to a lot of you...which is probably why nobody responded to my comments because you probably think I'm crazy, and you have a right to think that about me. Anyway, being honest, I have the same damn feelings. My black family has the same damn feelings. I talk to my black friends in real life and on the internet about how something just isn't right and they agree. Something really is fucked up and it's controlling people. There are things going on in society that have ruined certain groups of people and brainwashed them into falling into certain categories. Those who are in control of the "system" want this to continue and they want it to get worse and worse and worse as possible, so they can keep people organized in neat little units while they continue to fuck us all in the ass like worthless objects. People are controlled and they dont even know it. And you BETTER not think differently, and you BETTER not "WAKE UP" because if you do you'll get labled as dangerous and a threat to society, even more so than those who are totally brainwashed. I can't remember the name of it right now, but a bill has been or will be passed by the government which will allow them to seriously crack down on people it deems as being a threat because they have views that are out of the mainstream. That can cover people from Black Panthers and other black radical groups, suspect Muslim groups, crazy Christian groups, Neo-Nazis and other white radical groups, the gun crazy militia people in the mountains of Idaho, all the way to people who are just fed up with the bullshit the system is doing and they're outspoken anarchists (who don't hurt people) and 3rd party voters who don't want Democrats or Republicans. Everyone on the "outside" (whether you're good or bad) gets lumped together with this bill. People need to wake the fuck up.

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With all due respect (seriously) the word ghetto and it's usuage of the Jewish, or Polish, or Asian ghetto's of the past in European cities, was a word just to designate an area that was predominantly one race or group of people. There weren't the negative connocatations to how we apply to word now to inner-city run-down, poor and/or dangerous places.
Of course, poor and dangerous areas have been around since cities began but they weren't just one race or another.

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It was a few example, my point was the black community did not create the term or lifestyle... it's been around.

Fuck my nail broke typing this! Its a sign that your evil...

Yvonne, if you KILL a guy after he punches you, in most cases you're going to jail for manslaughter.

So kill all you want, just know that the law doesn't give you a pass to MURDER someone just because they hit you.

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If one looks at the video link I put up you might se some similarities to what Zimmerman says.

On the video one guy punches the white guy and the back of his head hits the pavement That was just one guy who did the initial damage, the other thugs just robbed him. I wonder what would have happened if the white guy had a gun and shot the guy who hit him after he he hit the pavement. I know what would happen, Sharpton and his band of merry men would descend on Baltimore, Obama would add another son to his family and posters here would be writing for justice and how the white guy should die or go to jail for shooting a possibly unarmed thug. That might not be the case in the Florida shooting but one could see that it is possible that it could be the way it happened, how Zimmerman says it happened. Just think, what would happen if there was no video and the white guy in the Baltimore attack shot his attacker.

Another thing, would those other people in the video of the Baltimore attack say that the white guy was in the right if he shot the attacker or would they side with the black attacker?

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What makes you think the black dude was the attacker? That's not what the video shows. Now I don't know if there's more video that shows what happened prior, but the linked clip shows the black dude walking away & the green shirt pursuing him & closing from behind. That guy had to take a step foreward & spin around to throw the punch. The back of the green shirt blocks the view, so there's no way to tell if mister glass jaw laid a hand on the guy before he got cold cocked, but that shouldn't matter. He wasn't going to shoot anybody, because he was down for the count. What happened afterward is irrelevant to the question of who was attacking whom. Race has nothing to do with that. Sure you're not being blinded by preconceived assumptions?

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Originally Posted by Trish

That's the trouble here. The book is fuck-assed-backwards. The stand-your-ground-law is a ridiculous, dangerous and irresponsible piece of asinine boilerplate legislation from ALEC.

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Maybe. I haven't read the law itself, but from what I can see, it seems to be misapplied or misunderstood more often than not.

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Originally Posted by pimpdog

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latasha_Harlins what this case reminds me of.

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Its been over twenty years, and I vaguely remember hearing about this case. But after reading about it, I can understand why the community was so incensed. Five years probation, community service, and a $500, from killing a 15 Black girl over an altercation over a bottle of orange juice. And the girl died with the money in her hand, strong evidence the girl had intended to pay for it. Thanks for the reminder about this case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latasha_Harlins

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My bad too. So I'll revise my most appropriately.

"He was detained and released as shown when he was taken to the police department . They went by the book. "__yourdaddy.

That's the trouble here. The book is fuck-assed-backwards. The stand-your-ground-law is a ridiculous, dangerous and irresponsible piece of asinine boilerplate legislation from ALEC. Have you ever heard of one civilian shooting another dead minutes before the police arrive and the gun is not temporarily confiscated for lab analysis? Apparently in Florida it's against the law to stand your ground using your fists and your box of skittles, but it's A-OK to single out, hunt down and murder an unarmed kid whose guilty of being black---oops! I mean guilty of being a suspicious visitor to the neighborhood (wearing a hoodie, being black, talking on a cell phone and rattling a box of skittles). Before stand-your-ground Zimmerman would've been arrested, not simply detained, and the crime properly investigated. The law is an obstruction of justice and an declaration of open season on racial minorities.

The shooting happened on Feb 26, but it didn't really gather media momentum until about the second week of March. It's not like this crime sparked flames of anger that were just waiting to ignite; rather people slowly became aware of the merits of the Martin's case, the travesty of justice that followed the shooting, the widespread adoption of the idiotic law (written by the NRA in boilerplate form) that let Zimmerman off the hook, and the obvious racial overtones of the shooting and coverup. All these things come together in this single case. That's why it's news.

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According to an article, I just read, in Florida claims of justifiable homicide have tripled since the law went into effect. It claims the police acted properly in accordance with the law. So as long as you can come up with a good story, and your primary opposing witness is dead, the police are not even allowed to make a full investigation.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...ation-to-kill/

My my understanding is that Zimmerman's family has a legal background. So he could have understood the implications of the law before he left his home.

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.......equals the DEATH PENALTY, because a fatass punk starts some bullshit he can't finish and is a purebred pussy.


I think you have it backwards. It appears that Treyvon was the punk who couldn't finish what he started.

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I agree with you, Trayvon could not finish what he started. He started off by going to the store for candy and a beverage. He was unarmed. He had no police record. He is now dead, as we know. The man with the weapon admitted to killing him. Many people are suspicious. In the mind of most, it would finished with a thorough inestigation, which would include a court proceeding. In the mind of most Americans the concept of Justice includes trial. And guess what, the officers charged with the first and only, on-the-scene investigation, felt that Zimmerman should have been charged. Perhaps he is innocent as he claimed. However, I have seen many times in the movies, where a person injured themselves, in an attemp to justify a self defense claim. So this is one reason, why so people, are seeking to understand what the real evidence is in this case, and why it is news. Violent things happen everyday, and it makes the news, also. This news story is about finishing, what was said to be, a trip to the store for candy. It's ending up to be a lseeon to ther world, about American Justice.

"I have seen many times in the movies, where a person injured themselves, in an attemp to justify a self defense claim."

You have to be kidding.

I realize that this is mainly a TS porn related forum, but please don't base your arguments on the movies. A young boy is dead, and most of us are trying to get a sense of what happened by the available evidence. This is a serious matter and there may be race riots and more people killed because of this incident. The New Black Panther Party is advocating killing Zimmerman and other "crackers." This is the time Obama ought to speak up and tell the black community to allow the justice system to work. Race riots will only doom Obama's reelection chances. Obama needs to be the President who represents all Americans, not just Americans that look like him.

As I think can be seen from my previous posts that I think that is someone physically assaults you then you have the right to defend yourself. Contrary to the opinion of some on this board, the 1st Amendment allows one to question those who are act in a furtive manner (they don't have to respond to you, but neither do they have the right to punch you).

So Mild are you saying that the system is not biased????

I know personally not one but TWO dudes who were on DEATH ROW and were later exonerated because of police misconduct. That is not television. Dudes confessions were coerced and the overseeing officer (Jon Burge) got 4 years.

If we mistrust the system we have reason to.

Why are you suggesting there are going to be race riots??
When's the last time there was a genuine race riot in the USA??

You right wingers sure do have a rich fantasy life.lol

Southern negroes don't 'riot', 'cause Southern cops SHOOT TO KILL, unlike L.A.

This apparently isn't the first time a Black youth has died under suspicious circumstances in Sanford and there weren't any riots.
There won't be any this time either.

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Contrary to the opinion of some on this board, the 1st Amendment allows one to question those who are act in a furtive manner (they don't have to respond to you, but neither do they have the right to punch you).

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First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Where the fuck did you get the idea the 1st Amendment allows you John Q. Public to detain and question someone BREAKING NO LAWS as if you were law enforcement??:confused:

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the 1st Amendment allows one to question those who are act in a furtive manner (they don't have to respond to you, but neither do they have the right to punch you).

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Unless, of course, the questioner, whose weaponry gives you reason to fear for your life, attempts to detain you...then you can invoke the stand-your-ground law and defend yourself...if you're still alive to invoke it...if you aren't you assailant will. That's one fucked up law.

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First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Where the fuck did you get the idea the 1st Amendment allows you John Q. Public to detain and question someone BREAKING NO LAWS as if you were law enforcement??:confused:

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lmaoooooo...ignorance always make me giggle...stupid people are always entertaining

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First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Where the fuck did you get the idea the 1st Amendment allows you John Q. Public to detain and question someone BREAKING NO LAWS as if you were law enforcement??:confused:

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Prior to being attacked by Treyvon, there is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything other than talk to the kid. It appears that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman for daring to talk to him, and then Treyvon was then shot for his troubles. I get sick of people excusing Treyvon's attacking of Zimmerman (and there is witness statements that Zimmerman was on the ground being attack by Treyvon. If the New Black Panthers are any indication, some in the black community can only think of resulting to violence when questioned. I'm surprised that I've not been threatened with violence for daring to oppose the Al Sharpton narrative.

If only Zimmerman had stayed in his ride (as he was instructed to), none of us are having this conversation.

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Prior to being attacked by Treyvon, there is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything other than talk to the kid. It appears that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman for daring to talk to him, and then Treyvon was then shot for his troubles. I get sick of people excusing Treyvon's attacking of Zimmerman (and there is witness statements that Zimmerman was on the ground being attack by Treyvon. If the New Black Panthers are any indication, some in the black community can only think of resulting to violence when questioned. I'm surprised that I've not been threatened with violence for daring to oppose the Al Sharpton narrative.

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Watch your back, Whitey!!!:geek:

Seriously, the 'bounty' put out on Zimmerman by TNBPP was to bring him to law enforcement as a fugitive, not to execute him. It was a publicity stunt.

If you follow a scared kid for blocks then get out of your car to 'confront' them, you don't have the right to KILL them afterwards if the kid swings on you, which we don't know actually happened.

Zimmerman didn't identify himself and I bet Trayvon was more afraid of him than the other way around.

the 1st amendment has nothing to do with this case nor does it to interactions between[private individials