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Excuse me? I've replied maybe 5 times on this topic and mostly to your claim that men who don't support you financially are "less masculine" and then your accusations about me being some sort of dead beat father for calling you out on it. You've had 30 pages of "rants", allow me a few posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Well this just shows you can't read for shit!, i never called you a dead beat father, this is proof. I said "if your so offended by the statement then it shows your character not mine", i never said Senchai your a broke ass dead beat father, never! So my point s proven. And you can quote me on when i have called you a dead beat father... without it being a question towards you, but as a general statement as an attack towards you... Go ahead, I'm waiting to prove your incompetence to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
I never stated men who don't support me are dead beat dads, i just said "I should be supported" my personal life, this related tot he question of the person who asked me about marriage, and i talk about the general circumstances of marriages.
I lose respect for the masculinity of men who cower at supporting there wife or family i believe is what i said not exactly but within lines. Not i lose respect for men who do not like to pay for girls.
You never called me out, never will. I covered my basis here and your going in circles to try to save your ass from being embarrassed cause you read wrong. That is your fault. Not mine.
Catch up on reading buddy....
God, you are stupid (yes I am calling you that). You stated men who didn't support you (or a woman) were "less masculine". My belief is that you entirely incorrect and full of shit, I didn't attack you - I'm entitled to MY belief also.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Read it in context and out of context. You back pedaled but as demonstrated below, have came back to your original stance that you stated that men should support women.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
As stated, if it's a mis-quote then it is your poor communication that's at fault. There were more than two people who read it as such - and if we were so wrong then why ....Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
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Not mad at all. Good for both of them. I'm disgusted at certain individuals thinking that's the normal foundation for a relationship and that any man who doesn't support their woman 100% is somehow less of a man (and by proxy, any woman who would date/partner such a man, therefore has problems).Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Or don't want? Or want better? I guess you haven't found someone to take care of you either financially or emotionally so who is complaining the loudest?Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Domino is an escort. She's working as a prostitute, a woman of the night, a hooker, a whore. She's selling SEX and an experience. She has the right to charge whatever she wants. YOU go back and read my previous posts on this. What we're talking about here is someone who wants to be a whore in their relationship (selling themselves to a man who can financially support them). It's two different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
I don't care what a woman makes, I care that she has a job or plans for a job or has self-respect, independence, confidence and security. An individual who is simply looking for a man to take care of her has none of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
of course you can't quote it, you can't even read it douchebag!Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
See attachment.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
In direct response (hence you quoted me) to my posting, you asked "do I cower?".
You then went on to list a number of derogatory terms, clearly aimed at me (as you were responding to my post and engaging me) and asked "is this you..." ?
By putting in the caveat "...if YES, then ..." is just silly and shows your level of maturity, it's playground stuff. You clearly aimed those terms at me - so there is where I am showing it.
I cannot go "Hey Miss X, are you,
worthless
borderline retarded
self-serving
lying
STD ridden
insecure and low self-esteemed
If you are, then that's just nasty".
and then deny it was aimed at that individual without loolking pretty stupid.
In the second one ... quoting me again, you respond to me by saying:
What part of that isn't directed to me? You stated "you" and "your" (ie; "you're").Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Douchebag? Getting mad? Now do I take it that you are calling me a douchebag or just another case of "if I am a douchebag" then I must be one?Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Here's a few precious quotes from you.
I never said that your misquoting me again.... i never said men who don't support women are less masculine, i said " men who cower at supporting the girl within the circumstances of having kids or wife support i lose respect for their masculinity" I am 100 percent sure that's what I said. Your just pulling shit from your ass huh? how sad you got no better argument. Your entitled to your belief so am I so you don't need to attack me for stating my opinion...
my stance never changed, its you who can't read a convo or within context, "A man should support a woman in general circumstances within marriage" I said it before i said it now... now what?
there are 2 or 3 who read it, but no one else misunderstood it but you guys, and there were more than 20 people not the thread. so what is your point? your the small group of dumb fucks who can't read?
way off like always, we are talking about a marriage within a circumstance where the woman has lower paying job and or with kids. And in this case yes a guy is less of a man if he does not support the wife and kids, this is what me and Nika spoke about.
seems like your the only bitching about money and finances and domino's charges, and women being supported. I am only retaliating to you insensitive and rude comments pertaining me. I don't care about your opinions nor have i commented on any of it, however when you attack me expect me to say something back.
Somone asked me a question about marriage, answered, that question had nothing to do with her charge, nor was it related.
Ok, but never have I said women should depend on a man did I? NO! never did. This is the kind of woman you look for good for you! I don't care, I look for a guy to support me, but that has nothing to do with me being incapable of supporting myself. Not every woman lives or were raised in a place of feminist western culture, so if you got a problem with this system then go to asia and complain to the government, where 80 percent of marriages are successful compared to the 50 percent in western societies.obviously the system works for millions maybe billions of people around the world...
I am 21 so questioning my relationships are stupid, I'm not int hat point of my life to think about it, so you bringing it up again and again does not make your point valid.
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Originally Posted by EvonRose
I do, do that Evon, I'm all for equality but I also believe that before we complain to other countries and governments that we should clean up our own backyards.
Most of the non-Muslim Asian countries I've visited have couples that are in somewhat equal partnerships as far as the financial situations are concerned.
Sincerely, if you didn't mean or say that woman should be taken care of financially by a man or that's what you wanted (or that men who don't are "lesser") then that's the way it read.
We can go on quoting and firing back and forth - but that IS the way it read.
For somebody complaining about being read out of context perhaps you should go back and read what I said about Domino's charges (or any escorts charges) as you keep seem to be thinking I have a problem with that.
Why would you quote a small part of it to make it seem like i was saying it to you, quote the whole thing, when I asked you why are you bothered by it? are you a dead beat father? Makes sense since i was talking about these group of men, I never said you were a dead beat father it was theoretical question, in regards to the nature of the topic I'm trying to cover, So asking you why your so upset about it and questioning if you were part of these group does not mean I called you one. Its your rash and quick statements without getting to know the nature of the topic, you read a quote you got offense because I do believe fit hit you somewhere, but i don't know what kind of man you are, but obviously you took offense to me stating dead beat fathers are not real men. Makes me question...Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
what does the quote prove? nika made a statement on individual women not being supported so they escort, makes sense they are not supported so they support themselves...Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
No you are a douce bag because, look back on the threads, who threw the first name calling? who can't handle an opinion without politely disagreeing? you kept it on when you knew you could left it alone or at least disagreed without implying me as a whore, or incapable, or basically a gold digging premadonna. I have never attacked on such matter and what gives you the right to do so to me? As far as I'm concerned i respected all you guys, its you guys who threw those first name calling to me, and if you think differently i can pull up the first statements you all made, but where have i said anything first?
You guys have no respect for people around you, so that shows your lack of respect for yourself, at least I'm respectful enough not to make an ass of myself by calling people names here... So i think it is you who needs etiquette classes, and it is you who talk and attack people like a bunch of scumbag losers. I would rather be a whore anyway, at least I get paid. You don't get paid to be assholes.
Well clearly we have different views, i was born in asia, raised, lived and been all over asia, so believe me when i tell you you will never see a man let a woman support him unless circumstances call for it. Many of these countries look down on western men who let women support them, or don't support women. You can't complain to them because those people would just eat you alive in their social norms, we happen to be in western culture where we can choose. There is no right or wrong only for the individual. You want 50/50, I want to be supported we have the right to look for the partner that fits in that lifestyle, so you cannot really call me a bunch of names just because I choose that, it makes you look dumb. I never had a problem with 50/50, i never had a problem with equality, there is nothing about this argument that would make me say i don't like that. You know the the type of men i talk about you just don't want to admit your wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
I never said "see a man let a woman support him", I stated "in somewhat equal partnerships as far as the financial situations are concerned." so stop being a twat with the mis-quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
In China every woman works and contributes to the household. In Thailand, woman hold jobs from menial labourers (watch them scale scaffolding 20 stories) to high positions. In Korea, many women are the small business owners rather than the men.
I pretty much quoted it all, as it was of the same meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
More playground antics by the immature Evon Rose.
The quotes prove or at least demonstate that you think women (or you) should be financially supported by men. Even when questioned on it further, you stated that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
You did - look back and see who started with "dead beat father" etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
You didn't have an opinion you made a statement about guys who don't support women being deadbeats/thugs/low masculinity. Do you say that is respecful? Please don't mix me in with "all you guys" - I have my own opinions and points to make, if you have umbrage with others, then bring it up with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Are you not a "whore"? Yes or no?
Of, ok - so you are a whore as per the above statement ... so why take issue with me "implying" it?Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
I have plenty of respect for some people around me - and no respect for others. You've called plenty of people names around here ... look back and you just called me a "douchebag" as well as the "deadbeat/thug/lesser masculinity" ... so pot, meet kettle.
No but I do get paid to call out assholes. And you Ms. are a just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Yes in Phillippines women are presidents, but household support still comes from men. The situation you speak of are the few i have been saying all along since I am talking mainly on general circumstances, because there is obvious answer to the few circumstances where a woman makes more, of course a woman would bring bread but that's not a majority. I have specifically mentioned circumstances over and over, you just refuse to listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
No because i have not specifically said you are a dead beat father i would never do that, I'm not you where i make general assumption just because i think i know a person. No quote ever attached you as a man, or as a human.. on your lack of tact when dealing with you opinions. You were the one who cried like a baby after i mentioned something about dead beat fathers and you couldn't contain yourself enough to cal me a bunch of derogatory names, who is immature? Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Oookay, so let me get this straight. If I think a woman should be supported, you all of a sudden call me a whore? then tell me I'm a goldigger? and incapable of supporting myself? how is that tactful? or mature? or how can you not realize that that's offensive? if I bring my personal view on the matter it affects me not you, so why go there with the name calling?
NEVER CALLED YOU DEAD BEAT, however you did call me an incapable whore before that.
Honey you mixed yourself in, I wasn't talking about you unless you're a dead beat father or a thug. I made a statement not regarding anyone, if you felt offended by it then is it safe to say only the thugs and dead beat dads would be offended by that comment since its directed to them? I didn't say guys who don't support women are dead beats, deadbeats are the ones who cower of supporting a wife or family, please if your going to quote me quote the right things.
Whore? I last checked that was demeaning, i recall people say other tactful things here, but that's okay. You fuck sluts the only difference is whores get paid.
That is so insignificant, calling you a douchbag because your started the name bashing, makes sense. I don't consider it polite, or becoming, your disrespectful and rude. So what am I suppose to call you a gentleman? cause your far from it.
I can guarantee you will never find me call a person a name first, unless it is out of defense. I challenge you. Go look for one where I have started it.
I am an asshole for defending myself? lol your pathetic.
Am I serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Absolutely.
Do we have to go over this again? You made those inferences quite clear.
Now quit flogging a dead horse, it's clear who whined and cried like a spoiled brat who expects to be agreed with at all time.
Erm, yep - well this statement pretty much reaffirms what I've been saying. You made a very pointed statement. It's cool to be a whore if that's what you want to be - just don't be lying whore by saying you didn't mean that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
And don't call me "honey". I'm not your honey, that might be how you get those "more masculine" guys (saps) twisted around your finger.
I tend to use the word "escort" mainly but in the context of a woman demanding a man support her financially, then I'd use "whore". How do you know who I fuck?Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
My first post stated my lack of respect for your position. You can get those same "more masculine saps" to be a gentleman for you - most of them wouldn't have a clue what it means.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Gosh - more playground behavior? I'm pathetic. Whose wasting time arguing for days over this? I'm getting paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Better than the one can't read and make up quotes to try to prove his point that is wrong. You never gave any evidence only cut out quotes to make you look good because you have no solid argument enough to quote everything I say... But if people read because majority of the people here probably could would understand what i am saying seems only you and 3 other guys here can't read... So that says a whole lot about your intelligence not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Seanchai= selective reader.
Anybody can go back and read the threads should they wish Evon. There is no edit or delete functions any longer. Of course I selectively picked the relevant quotes, that's why they're quotes and not just full reprints. Quotes to support my point or refute your on going bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Evon Rose = selective memory.
You do this thing when you have nothing but want something proven, as if something you said made complete sense or had absolute proof, when really it did not. its kinda funny.
Sounds ridiculous to me, somewhere along the line of you ancestor when women couldn't work and were supported by men I guess they were whores. hahahaha your so stupid. How do you know what I do to call me a whore?
More than you, Real men don't generally attacks woman in your matter, so we can save that for another topic. HONEY!
How old are you? I am 21 I made a comment, your an ass for calling me the things you did unsolicitedly, mature men? I don't think do this, so look up immature in the dictionary your face should appear.
What was your point Seanchai? What are you trying to accomplish? With your rude statements even when I had nothing bad to say to you or never disrespected you, what makes you feel you have the right to say the things you said to me? then when I retaliate, with reasons. then you go on and on about this. Clearly you misunderstood me, it's only you and rally who went on a hissy fit about an innocent comment/question. You do realize how stupid you guys look right?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Well do yourself a favor and read it from the beginning not just my statements but the questions asked towards me. I have an argument for everything, but you cannot get it together, your quotes, and timelines of what you refer to are all mixed up.
Brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Printed and kept for posterity. Forwarded to many.
You dis-respected me and every man who doesn't fit your ideal of being taken care of (financially) - you further compounded that by inferring that such men would be dead beat fathers, thugs, etc. You dis-respected independent and equalist women suggesting that their men that would be interested in them would be "less masculine" and would also be "dead beat fathers".Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
You've retracted or clarified what you "meant to say" but long after you were called out on it and went on a rampage of immaturity. As I've stated a number of times, if this isn't what YOU meant, then it is how it reads and comes across.
I know! When men cower at the thought of supporting a woman, taking care of her, and becoming that man he should be, I lose respect for that individual masculinity. People who don't like her charging 1,000 dollars as if its significant in his life, its like get a job and stop worrying about a females salary, they are intimidated by strong and financially secure women.
Well I've just lost any respect for you.
You expect a man to support you 100% financially? It's just as well you are in the industry you are because no confident and successful individual is going to be that interested in somebody who has so little self-respect.
I want a woman who can take care of herself, look for a meaningful partnership and relationship and not be all about having a man "take care of her".
I was talking on two separate sentences here, one about dead beat fathers, and the second sentence mentioning about the guys who complain about Dominos price. Both not related both different subjects.... You misread it and came to a conclusion I said men who don't pay escorts or support women are dead beats, or thugs. This is exactly how it was written you can even look back on it.
That's the line. You state "men cower at the though of supporting a woman ... blah blah".Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
I didn't misread it, it's there. I didn't come to any wrong conclusions based on what you wrote (and since affirmed ... or seemed to?)
Either way, Even in personal relationships I believe the men should pay and financially support me. I think a MAN should support a woman on major circumstances.
Notice how The first sentence I talk about my preference? MINE. i am not attacking anyone, or anything. It is my preference.
Second sentence is an opinion I made about the major circumstances that i mean a man makes more money, and the wife is raising kids. The majority of marriages around the world where the man is making more money etc. I understand there are some women who make more than the man, and there is an obvious answer there, but I am not talking about that situation.
Well yeah, when men don't pay their child support and leave the woman to raise the child by herself, that was what we have been talking about. How on earth can anyone view these men as men? of course I lose respect for them. But no where does it state a woman cannot provide her own living. or a woman should leach of a man. so you did misread it Seanchai. Sorry to say. This was a reply to Nika when she said men don't support the women, and the other person who mentioned about dead beat fathers, and lowlife selfish guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
''men can be intimidated by strong and financially secure women sometimes"
i said this quote to, I empower women to create a living for themselves so they can choose later in life what system of relationship she wants to be in. What is wrong with that?
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Originally Posted by EvonRose
:yayo::yayo::yayo::yayo::yayo::yayo::yayo::yayo:
Sorry to say, I wasn't the only one - maybe you should re-read what you wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Nothing is wrong with your second sentence? Why do you think it's wrong?
I never asked for your respect, I gave my opinion on the matter. If this affects you, this as to do with you not me, I never said i should be supported 100 percent i said in major circumstances, and i am talking about men who cower, do you cower?
Dead beat dads
Guys who don't pay child support
wife support
cheap
selfish
If this is you, then YES it is directed towards you and no apologies from me.
Nope none of the above. I look for strong, independent and self-confident women who don't need to rely on a man to support them because they think they should be put on a pedestal based on their looks. It's not just people who are cheap or selfish, who have no interest in supporting you, it's men who want partners and not just hiring a whore for life.
I'd happily pay $1000's for the right escort experience at the right time of my life.
I already tried to explain to you what I meant with the comment above to try to resolve any misconception, and i just found your comment below rude and tactless.... I have not been rude to you prior to that so I don't get where your hostility is coming from. you made it clear your none of the above but you kept on being very arrogant and rude towards me for no reason, and I'm not the only girl here that was saying these... there were like 7 girls saying the same things, but you pointed me out. Wich I don't get.
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Originally Posted by EvonRose
No hostility on my part. I was disagreeing strongly with being asked "do I cower?" and having the inference made that I was cheap, selfish or one of the other barbs. You may have tried to explain it - but stating "if this is you, then YES it is directed at you". Seriously - does that sound okay to you, make sense or not sound hostile?
I was not hostile at all! I don't know you, i don't know if you are a dead beat father or a thug, and i don't mean that rudely, however i asked and since you cleared up your not then i made it clear it was not towards you. You could have also down your part to understand me a bit more before making careless statements. i agree you were trying to disagree with something however you were disagreeing with something irrelevant because i wasn't even talking about it as a common ground, it was my personal preference. if you like asian girls why would people have any right to make rude comments about you liking asian chicks just because they like white chicks? I prefer a man to support me and I think your opinion was unsolicited.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
However, if you were a dead beat father then I would have gotten the hostility and would not make apologies for the comment because I really don't have respect for them, and i bet you don't either.
Its just bothers me that after this statement, it was constant name calling, bashing, derogatory, whore, dumb, list goes on with the name calling that i felt was uncalled for since i never started an attack on you...
... bit Evon, don't you see that it IS an attack on me. You were replying to me and it was hostile.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
You can't put those words out towards someone with that simple caveat ... "oh if it's not you, then nevermind, forget what I said". The suggestion and implication is there and therefore, it's an attack/an insult whatever.
holy shit this has exploded.
the fact remains that evon rose wants to be paid to be someone's girlfriend for the rest of her life. she feels she is entitled to that. hopefully she finds someone that will kiss her ass like that.
real men, i say, would never do it. real men are not subservient to self-absorbed twits
And your a cheap lurker, who fought with about 5 girls on here now...Quote:
Originally Posted by RallyCola
Real men don't fight girls.....
What does this rubbish mean, really? You said that to me also. Do you like men whom you can just treat like a punch bag? Nobody is "fighting" it's online discourse. In your fantasty world of all men taking care of women and not fighting them, then women would have to be discluded from any form of politics, business or discussion as they couldn't be disagreed with or argued against.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvonRose
Even when you called me whore before that statement i still have not called you names or any derogatory term have I? You also cannot go around calling women that and you know damn well it was derogatory, and not expect a form of retaliation. Although me asking that question was not retaliation it was an honest question.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
The women he called names here look back on it, it varies from stupid, to bitches, to fake wannabes. I have never heard obama call hilary a stupid bitch during a discussion, it does not happen in business, politics, men or women, when it does its an insult. Men or women, when they retaliate to name calling they already lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Like said before i never fought you, you kinda started it and if you think you didn't then your delusional.