Goodbye

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Thanks very much Bella, very much appreciated. I don't know about busy per se. I suspect she's drawing breath and trying to build up her mental strength. But I would love to hear directly from her if that's humanly possible.

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I was referring to Kelly. Her information is second-hand. Mine's third. :lol:

But yeah, it seems like the situation is stable. This is probably a good time for everybody to reevaluate how they treat people... especially here. I hope this serves as a learning experience for you all.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I was referring to Kelly. Her information is second-hand. Mine's third. :lol:

But yeah, it seems like the situation is stable. This is probably a good time for everybody to reevaluate how they treat people... especially here. I hope this serves as a learning experience for you all.

~BB~

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I agree wholeheartedly Bella, although I can't, thankfully, remember anyone hating on Miranda.

But it does serve as a wake-up call for all those who think it's ok to casually dismiss or insult a girl for her looks or anything else. People undergoing transition or simply dealing with the emotional complexities of being transgender can be fragile and vulnerable way beyond the daily experience and comprehension of most of us here. A little thinking time before you post can work wonders.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

But it does serve as a wake-up call for all those who think it's ok to casually dismiss or insult a girl for her looks or anything else. People undergoing transition or simply dealing with the emotional complexities of being transgender can be fragile and vulnerable way beyond the daily experience and comprehension of most of us here. A little thinking time before you post can work wonders.

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This is exactly what I meant.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

This is exactly what I meant.

~BB~

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I know you did. x

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

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But it does serve as a wake-up call for all those who think it's ok to casually dismiss or insult a girl for her looks or anything else. People undergoing transition or simply dealing with the emotional complexities of being transgender can be fragile and vulnerable way beyond the daily experience and comprehension of most of us here. A little thinking time before you post can work wonders.

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Beautifully expressed and so true. There are far too many here who publish without thinking the most hurtful things - easy to do from the safety of your keyboards in faraway wherever - but deeply wounding to the very vulnerable.

Always think of the pain your casual words can cause and the damage they can do.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Beautifully expressed and so true. There are far too many here who publish without thinking the most hurtful things - easy to do from the safety of your keyboards in faraway wherever - but deeply wounding to the very vulnerable.

Always think of the pain your casual words can cause and the damage they can do.

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I've also been in touch with the beautiful TS Birdmountain over what's happening with Miranda and have just received a msg to say that she's quitting the industry too. It's not easy for these girls. Please remember that.

Who is this person who dislike all the latest posts????

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

It's not easy for these girls. Please remember that.

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Respectfully, it's not the adult industry which is causing the problems per se. Many, many, many of the TS girls have mental issues before coming into the industry or even transitioning (I'd welcome a study on the amount girls transitioning with pre-existing issues other than their transgenderism).

The adult industry in terms of photo/video shoots is actually quite supportive and open - but girls expect that the industry is going to a) financially support them more even though they are informed otherwise and b) lead onto greater things or greater recognition - which it may or may not.

There are models who can take it - and those who because of false expectations, cannot but in my experience it's not the adult industry causing these issues but the fact that many of the girls have depression, self-esteem and/or other issues before they come into it.

I don't think RL was blaming the industry .... and as you say there are many girls with emotional or indeed mental issues who do make the choice to go into this business (or escorting) when they are clearly not cut out for it. I have met a few in the past who simply fell apart after a brief spell of escorting (and one who did go on to kill herself). Let us hope Miranda finds peace and strength and support wherever she is.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Respectfully, it's not the adult industry which is causing the problems per se. Many, many, many of the TS girls have mental issues before coming into the industry or even transitioning (I'd welcome a study on the amount girls transitioning with pre-existing issues other than their transgenderism).

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While the Industry doesn't cause the problems, I think the visibility of being an adult performer does take a significant toll on a person regardless of whether they have other issues.

Put yourself in MTF transsexual shoes for a minute. You spend your life with societal messages that we're crazy for thinking we're women. Those closest to you often have the most difficult time with you transitioning and send some of the most hurtful messages.

Then you enter Adult.

You start getting tens to hundreds of messages a day from guys telling you are beautiful, amazing, etc. If you're not prepared for it, it can be intoxicating. You start hearing the things you've wanted to hear your whole life -- that you are a beautiful woman. Sadly it's not a self-esteem born from inside yourself, so the buzz will never last.

Then come that haters - sometimes it's other women - sometimes it's guys -- all the time they are trolls. They'll say things to tear a model down for whatever reason. Again, if you're not braced for this it can hit hard.

It's a roller coaster.

At least once a week I get a message from a TS woman wanting to be a performer - my advice is always consistent: unless you are well grounded and know in your heart of hearts who you are, don't get mixed up in this shit. It can destroy a person. The Capital "I" Industry won't cause it, but it still is a function of the porn world we live in.