The people on this board that scare me the most..

Will Obama grow some pair and Legalize prostitution, if elected ?

No? Then he is a pussy and does NOT deserve our votes.

Liberal my ass

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

so Allanah, are you telling me you support EVERYTHING the Democratic party stands for? how about ultra liberals like Obama who aren't very far from socialist?

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Only in the US would people claim someone like Obama is ultra liberal / socialist. At most he is middle of the road liberal (I'm using Liberal in the British sense though).

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The parameters of discussion in the US are limited to a very narrow framework in the mainstream media: far-right wing to center right opinions and policies get discussed, with the far right being the loudest and most prominent of the lot. This has been amply documented and in my opinion stems from the corporate consolidation and ownership of the media. If only 4 corporations are able to control what people read about, see on TV, hear on the radio, then of course Americans will have some pretty skewed ideas about left and right. Intelligent voices on the left hardly ever get any play on mainstream media programs, and when they do it is usually a set up used to discredit dissenting viewpoints. Because of this, its hardly useful to be angry at someone who is just repeating the most logical point of view they have heard, even if it is sadly mistaken.

I try to refrain from these kinds of discussions here because like JelenaCD pointed out its bad for business. On the other hand, I'm not trying to find a man to date and I don't see this place as my community. I'm here for business purposes only, and as such I don't care about peoples political affiliations.

I've got a lot of respect for the women who continue to stand strong and speak their mind, even when it means facing shrill attacks and insults. Nothing but respect.

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Will Obama grow some pair and Legalize prostitution, if elected ?

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Why go to war with feminists? ;-)

Actually in Holland it's legal since a couple of years and trust me that was not a good thing becasue the girl must pay taxes now also just like other worker and which means the prices they ask went up!

Cool chart, Peggy. I'm surprised the military spends 1.39 billion on drones, not that I'm complaining, but that kind of money buys a lot of drones. What the hell are they doing with all of them (other then not finding Osama Bin Laden)? The way things are in Minneapolis right now, half of them are probably here. There certainly are more then enough helicopters and police prowling around at the moment.

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There certainly are more then enough helicopters and police prowling around at the moment.

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As a matter of national security the police have to protect John McCain from getting pied.

Many conservatives are against gay marriage, yet with bush in office gay marriage became legalized in SF. By all measures gay/transgenered rights have progressed in the last 8 years. Under Bush. Allanah, you are sadly ignorant about politics. Simply because the most right wing conservatives do not support gay rights, the majority of them do not believe this way. Even McCains VP pick, who doesn't support gay marriage, veto'd a bill that would deny gay lovers the medical benefits of their significant others. I know plenty of gay men who are conservative. I consider myself to be at least bi due to my love of trannies. Being anti-gay is political suicide in this day and age. They may not support gay marriage but is that really a huge deal? I mean do you want to play into the white culture which you hate so much that idealizes marriage? What more do you want, preferential treatment from the government akin to affirmative action?

I voted for Gore in 2000, I didn't vote in 2004, and I probably will vote for McCain this year. Why? I am a working class white male. Obama has no love for me. Policies he's supported have kept me out of good colleges, put me deep in student debt, and gave jobs I deserved more to minorities simply because of the color of my skin.

Is obama a socialist/marxist. Yes, if you look at his tax plan it's VERY socialist. People who make over 100k a year are already taxed nearly half their income under Bush. If Obama has his way their will be roughly another 25% tax added to that. Soon enough no one will be able to afford to pay you $500 for an hour allanah, unless obama gives them some sort of government subsidies.

Does it make you a nazi for not blindly supporting obama? Of course not, but that's how they would have you feel. But I digress, this thread is a joke anyway, who cares what a prostitute/porn star thinks about politics? If people cared about your opinion on politics you'd be on CNN, not "Transsexual Prostitues #X" Didn't Kelly Shore say "this is hung angels so anything not about that should be elsewhere." Truer words have never been spoken, lets keep talking about shemales please.

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There certainly are more then enough helicopters and police prowling around at the moment.

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As a matter of national security the police have to protect John McCain from getting pied.

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No doubt. If I had one of those military drones, I might try to pie bomb him myself.

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Originally Posted by MrShow52

I voted for Gore in 2000, I didn't vote in 2004, and I probably will vote for McCain this year. Why? I am a working class white male. Obama has no love for me. Policies he's supported have kept me out of good colleges, put me deep in student debt, and gave jobs I deserved more to minorities simply because of the color of my skin

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Lol.

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Originally Posted by TrueBeauty TS

I, for one, think universal healthcare is a necessity.

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Do you really expect in today's America, if we had NHS tomorrow, to properly care for patients who are trans, gay, have stds, or care about their reproductive rights?

I have stated this in the past and it best needs repeating:

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...under our current system doctors, pharmacists and other health industry workers can in many situations refuse to take part in any treatment, including prescription distribution, if they feel it is violating their personal belief system. This isn't about to go away anytime soon, if we had NHS tomorrow we'd still have large groups of radicals independently going "I'm not gonna be filling this slip for _fillintheblank_ (estrogen, contraceptive, whatever), it would violate my personal beliefs, go find another pharmacy." The systematic assumption is that if you go to the other pharmacies in your area, you'll eventually find one that doesn't care if you're gay, trans, or want to remove the chances of getting preg from the guy who raped you 12 hrs ago. This assumption also ignores that in some of these situations you have a race against the clock to get proper treatment before the situation gets worse. This is true for the rape victim wanting emergency contraceptive, this is true for the young transistioner who wants to get on HRT before T prevents their body from passing w/out FFS (obviously the later has a longer time table to work with, but it is nonetheless an ignored element of the equation).

Even if people are somehow forced to play by the rules, and the rules eliminate this refusal-to-treat clause in the situations that presently have them- you have another problem.

There is what I call selective-incompetence (like selective hearing) where medical professionals for whatever personal or institutional reason, treat certain patients improperly without violating any specific rules. To use an American example if you are a trans inmate, in most states you have to get hrt treatment if you've been getting it the normal institutional way on the outside (threw doctors, with a GID diagnosis, blood tests etc). But the prison can require inmates to go through the prison doctor to determine what specific drugs & dosages you get, and then that doctor could say "in their professional opinion you should be on 2mg a day estroidal and 50mg a day spiro" (when the patient requires 8mg of the first, and 200mg of the 2nd in order to keep from masculating). Thus you're getting hrt still, but it is such a trivial amount you might as well not be... its not gonna maintain whereever you are in hrt's work on your body, and if your testes are intact it for this patient in the example, start to reverse (aka de-transition) the inmate. This is done for discriminatory reasons, but it is also done to save money for the jail. There are a whole host of medical conditions that get short changed in prison because- in doing so, it saves the prison money and it is done with conditions where such malpractice will not result in direct death (as refusing insoline for a diabetic could).

Canada has NHS, and there, for the trans patient, you HAVE to pretty much go threw the NHS hoops & games because they are the only game in town, unless you are close enough to commute into the United States to use private medical care out of pocket (if you can afford it). Their customs are fairly good at blocking out internet hormones, so DIY is fairly limited. To get HRT in Canada you have to play a series of games with gender clinics, essentially the same way it is done in the UK with various minor differences. Sure, if you play by their games they will pay for srs (tho there are some rules on where you can go and who you can use for a surgeon). Why is this clinic system such a problem? These gate keeping games draw out the time it takes to transition, and sets the patient up to have problems... basically the system is designed to screw you, delay your progress, and hope that it will convince you to go away and put off your transition attempt. This may be insignificant if you're some middle aged transitioner with assets to pay for surgeries, but for someone who is young every year that is put off by gate keeping games of this nature, is a year where T does irreversible things to the body. Someone who transitions early enough will NEVER need FFS to pass. Say it is a two year wait, even two years will make a noticeable difference if it means transitioning at 18 instead of 16, or 22 instead of 20. Although it pays for SRS, few of these programs pay for the lengthy cosmetic procedures required to try to reverse a T-altered skull, and even if there was full range to have whatever surgery you want these procedures can only do so much.

The US, with its faults- and there are way too many, at least has enough leeway that a trans patient can, if their first doctor refuses to give them sufficient HRT dosages, go DIY or, seek out another doctor (or another, another, and another until a tolerant & competent one is found). This is not the case with the clinic system, and there have been cases in the last ten years where hospitals in Canada, under NHS, have kicked out trans patients strictly because they were trans. Unethical? Sure. Illegal? Probably (I would bet on it). Did anything happen over it? Not that I ever heard of, no one was fired, trans patients in question never got a settlement over it.

This brings me to my main point: mindsets. When a country is, within the medical community itself, tolerant and understanding of patients with unique needs then universal health care can go to great lengths to help the patient. There are countries in Europe with health care at great lengths better than anything the United States has ever had... and in these countries, because it is not stigmatized, because discrimination is not so widespread, trans patients can transistion -before- puberty where the situation merits it.

For NHS to work in America there needs to be drastic changes- changes eliminating these discriminatory practices in not just theory, but practice. Especially if NHS re-institutes systems we DID have before.

In our history in the states, in the 1950s-early 1980s, America's medical community only had gender clinics to deal with trans patients (the ones using the health care systems, not talking about people doing hrt with black market drugs or stolen birth control pills, back when BC pills had enough E to feminize). It was the only true game in town, so you had to play their games- and here, these "clinics" would look at trans patients and distribute treatments (therapy, hrt, surgeries) based on the information gathered on the patient.

They'd test you to see what your concept is of gender roles, relationships, etc. Essentially you had to embody, ideologically speaking, the stereotypical straight 50s housewife in order to have a hope of treatment (that is to say, you had to be straight, you had to be into girly interests like sewing, cooking, cleaning etc).

Then they'd put you before a board of "specialists" who would look you over and determine if you should transistion based on shoe size, height, weight, age, passability, mannerisms, and a whole host of other things. You could be denied hrt or surgeries simply by having feet "too big."

Then they'd require you to do RLE, before you get anything in treatment... but this RLE was not RLE in the modern sense. They required a twisted sense of "what being female is." If your therapist caught you wearing jeans, even if they were normal girl specific jeans, in public your RLE just got reset and you'd be lectured... if it continued to happen you'd be ejected from this system.

I have met and discussed with doctors who used to be apart of this system, they believe in such absurdities as the barbie defense (you're not trans if you never played with barbies when you were little), and even think giving hrt to a patient under 30-35 should be illegal. There are no shortage of gender clinic horror stories from this era of American health care history. Hell there are still random therapists who buy into this notion of trans care in this country, but at least now you can go somewhere, anywhere else when that happens. Going back to gender clinics would be a disastrous mistake in today's America, unnecessarily so.

I realize the general every day citizen is not trans. The general every day citizen isn't going to care or ever need to know about trans health care. It simply does not effect them or anyone they know. In America our health care crisis, and it is a crisis, is the cause of a disturbing statistic: medical problems are the leading cause for bankruptcy in the United States (not adjustable rate mortgages like the 4th estate would lead you to believe... even if mortgage is french for "death grip").

Someone can save everything (reasonably) they make, be as careful in spending as even the most die hard christian conservative may advocate for, and because they worked blue collar all their life w/out health insurance with an income just above the poverty line, lose every penny of it and whatever assets they've compiled just by needing some emergency surgery, cancer treatment, or other critical, unexpected, unavoidable medical situation.

But there are exceptions, specific types of patients with unique needs, and if NHS were to be instituted here -tomorrow- without first accomplishing major reforms of American health care ethics & society in practice (not just theory) then these patients with unique situations will be the trade off cost. Look at all the things we cannot get here to date for trans patients in our country that would be, arguably, less volatile. Nationally speaking: Job discrimination? Legal. Housing? Also. As is adoption law, probate law, marriage law. There are even problems as simple as sex recognition for postops. Sure some states are better than others, but that's cold comfort by someone who, for reasons out of their control, gets born as a trans citizen in Ohio where your BC can never be amended or replaced (even if the dr is drunk and clearly put down erroneous information- a GG whose doctor puts them down as male in ohio has to live with that BC for life as things currently stand, even if they are not trans, IS, or otherwise unique in their mental, physical, or dna existance).

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What more do you want, preferential treatment from the government akin to affirmative action?

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I want a government that puts all people's rights on an equal footing. For example: how about the right to serve our country in the military and at the same time the right to be clear and open about our sexual identity? Preferential treatment my ass. This country still has a long way to go.