What the f*ck is up with some girls?!? Only date straight?

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

It is really like this. Almost every provider or sex performer lies just a little bit about what they like. We are in the business of fulfilling fantasies. Yes there are top girls, but most of the girls I know prefer bottoming.

I admire Allanah a lot for her honesty. That said, I can say that, off camera, I have topped men twice. Once was a professional date where we chose to have sex after dinner and the guy pooped everywhere (gross). The other was with Christian in NYC and we both had a good time. Because of my own issue with cleanliness, I am just not interesting in fucking guys - especially virgins. To me virgin screams "I want to get fucked but I have no idea how to clean myself to get fucked". In my entire life, my first time fucking a guy in the ass was Rogue Adventures #15. In my personal life, outside of oral, I am 100% bottom unless I am fucking a GG which I do from time to time. For some reason GG's never shit on me which guys do every time I do a scene with them. Every time.

When I think straight, I think of a guy who doesn't mind me having a thing, but he doesn't really want it in his mouth or ass either. My ex-boyfriend was mostly straight, but present boyfriend is by that definition completely straight. The issue is this... You guys can get cock anywhere. gay cock, bi cock, dog cock, etc etc. Someday, I won't be able to sexually please a guy into dick and he will go elsewhere... If you are into dick, it doesn't magically go away; you are stuck with it for life. That means if I am overly hormonal or contemplating SRS, I will be concerned about my guy going out and blowing guys or other TS or what not. For some reason, this concern is 100 times as strong in me than caring whether a guy I am dating fucks GG's.

I don't judge bottoms. I think it's great as is sexual diversity. People like what they like. The last guy I dated I was with for over 5 years and he loved sucking me and did every time we were together and I never minded at all. ;-)

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If I were you I would end it right there if a guy shat on me. WTF?! Learn to get clean you dumb asses!

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

Once was a professional date where we chose to have sex after dinner and the guy pooped everywhere (gross). The other was with Christian in NYC and we both had a good time. Because of my own issue with cleanliness, I am just not interesting in fucking guys - especially virgins. To me virgin screams "I want to get fucked but I have no idea how to clean myself to get fucked".

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threadjack/

I love reading about your issues with cleanliness because I, too, am the same. I've been scarred by some really, truly awful experiences in the past that I won't recount, but..ugh...just thinking about them makes my skin crawl. It's led to me being very, very cautious when approaching anything below the waist and above the knees as well being way overly selective with people to the point of wanting to know their daily hygiene habits. yeah, I got issues.

But the one lesson I carry with me is a girl or a guy can be dressed and done up to the nines...but this does not mean they have anything resembling good personal hygiene. In fact, those very things are many times a cover for what lies beneath...ewwww.

/threadjack over

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Originally Posted by whatsupwithat

But the one lesson I carry with me is a girl or a guy can be dressed and done up to the nines...but this does not mean they have anything resembling good personal hygiene. In fact, those very things are many times a cover for what lies beneath...ewwww.

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Truer words have rarely been spoken.

-Quinn

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Originally Posted by tsntx

what it means is generally speaking what vicki said

"only looking for a top"

looking deeper into it youll see it means a guy that treats the ts like a lady, treats just like any other gf he would have, bring around his friends, family, co-workers, public. if he doesnt then he shows he sees her as something less then the girls hes dated before her. it means he isnt all about her cock and will love her just as much w/o it as much as he would w/ it. he wouldnt leave her just bc shes going to go post/op and wouldnt leave her just bc she is staying pre/op. it means he is w/ her b/c of WHO she is and NOT for WHAT she is.

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Thank you tsntx, peggygee, Vicki, and all of the other women who have held forth on this subject.

And tsntx, you just summed up how I am feeling about t-women--that is, the same as g-women. And before I start looking to become involved with a t-woman, I want to first make sure I have enough guts to bring her around my family (and that's something I must deal with on my own--I know I'm straight, but I must get over this "what do my relatives think" thing, and I will), beause I don't want to treat her as "my dirty little secret." That wouldn't be fair to her. Now, of course, I do have my fantasies and desires as it pertains to t-women, but at the same time I do not want to be with her ONLY because she has a working phallus. I want to know that I genuinely love her, care for her, and want to be with her even if she does want to have The Operation.

Now, as for the penis issue, I look at it like this: I also am insanely attracted to women (g- and t-) with nice breasts, nice behinds, curvaceous legs, and soft, sexy, well-cared-for feet. If the woman whom I am with does not want me to even look as those aforementioned parts of her anatomy, let alone touch or kiss them, then yes, I would be disappointed. And I hope that the woman I look for is amenable to my attractions and desires, just as I hope I am with hers. That's not my primary requirement, but if she does not wnat me to bother the parts of her body I've mentioned, then we'll have to evaluate how the rest of the relationship is going in order to decide how to handle the physical issues in a way that will be comfortable for us both. This is especially true if the rest of our relationship is fulfilling. If it's not of course, then it might be best for us both to find someone else with whom we can be happy. It's the same with a t-woman and her phallus.

Granted, finding a t-woman who enjoys my desires (and the desires of a lot of us men on this board) at least occasionally is a difficult matter, partly because of the numbers of t-women as compared to the population of g-women, and also because a lot of t-women are tired of being looked at as freaks due to their anatomical difference from g-women, and let's face it guys, some of them just don't like having penises, no matter how much we might wish it weren't so. And even most of the ones who do enjoy having fully-functional male genitalia and enjoy using them on their guys don't want to do so ALL OF THE TIME. They like to be thought of as women and treated accordingly. And I have no problem respecting that.

As an aside, the more I fantasize about my favorite t-women, the more I want to top the heck out of them as well as doing the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

I admire Allanah a lot for her honesty. That said, I can say that, off camera, I have topped men twice. Once was a professional date where we chose to have sex after dinner and the guy pooped everywhere (gross). The other was with Christian in NYC and we both had a good time. Because of my own issue with cleanliness, I am just not interesting in fucking guys - especially virgins. To me virgin screams "I want to get fucked but I have no idea how to clean myself to get fucked". In my entire life, my first time fucking a guy in the ass was Rogue Adventures #15. In my personal life, outside of oral, I am 100% bottom unless I am fucking a GG which I do from time to time. For some reason GG's never shit on me which guys do every time I do a scene with them. Every time.

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Howdy Vicki, and first of all, how are you feeling?

Secondly, I wholeheartedly hear you on the cleanliness issue. After all, the woman I'm with MUST first of all maintain good daily personal hygiene habits. And then, if we were intimate together and she urinated and/or defecated in the bed or worse, on me, that would be an automatic turn-off. Next! :puke

And though I find myself wishing I were Christian on that night :wink: , I respect your feelings on topping guys and your reasons why you feel this way.

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

I don't judge bottoms. I think it's great as is sexual diversity. People like what they like. The last guy I dated I was with for over 5 years and he loved sucking me and did every time we were together and I never minded at all. ;-)

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Now that does bring up a good question: how many t-ladies who otherwise don't top in their personal lives (for whatever reasons) do still enjoy receiving oral sex from their guys?

"And then, if we were intimate together and she urinated and/or defecated in the bed or worse, on me, that would be an automatic turn-off.""


Alot of guys will pay extra for that.....



And Vicki said dog cock, huh huhuh heheh huh huh..

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

Once was a professional date where we chose to have sex after dinner and the guy pooped everywhere (gross).

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I remember that story from the VR forum, back in the day. If I remember correctly the guy was described as a rich French doctor. I bet he did that on purpose as some sort of crazy kinky thing. The whole time during dinner he was probably thinking to himself:

(This is meant to be read in an outragous French accent, FYI)

"And zen weez get back to ze hotel. . .huh huh, very nice. . .and when she least expects it. . .Merde! Right on ze bed! Ho ho ho! Yessss, yessss, mon amour, mon doux, poo poo!"

Those French guys. . .you just can't count on 'em for anything.

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Originally Posted by hondarobot

"And zen weez get back to ze hotel. . .huh huh, very nice. . .and when she least expects it. . .Merde! Right on ze bed! Ho ho ho! Yessss, yessss, mon amour, mon doux, poo poo!"

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thats a german accent...

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

It is really like this. Almost every provider or sex performer lies just a little bit about what they like. We are in the business of fulfilling fantasies. Yes there are top girls, but most of the girls I know prefer bottoming.

I admire Allanah a lot for her honesty. That said, I can say that, off camera, I have topped men twice. Once was a professional date where we chose to have sex after dinner and the guy pooped everywhere (gross). The other was with Christian in NYC and we both had a good time. Because of my own issue with cleanliness, I am just not interesting in fucking guys - especially virgins. To me virgin screams "I want to get fucked but I have no idea how to clean myself to get fucked". In my entire life, my first time fucking a guy in the ass was Rogue Adventures #15. In my personal life, outside of oral, I am 100% bottom unless I am fucking a GG which I do from time to time. For some reason GG's never shit on me which guys do every time I do a scene with them. Every time.

When I think straight, I think of a guy who doesn't mind me having a thing, but he doesn't really want it in his mouth or ass either. My ex-boyfriend was mostly straight, but present boyfriend is by that definition completely straight. The issue is this... You guys can get cock anywhere. gay cock, bi cock, dog cock, etc etc. Someday, I won't be able to sexually please a guy into dick and he will go elsewhere... If you are into dick, it doesn't magically go away; you are stuck with it for life. That means if I am overly hormonal or contemplating SRS, I will be concerned about my guy going out and blowing guys or other TS or what not. For some reason, this concern is 100 times as strong in me than caring whether a guy I am dating fucks GG's.

I don't judge bottoms. I think it's great as is sexual diversity. People like what they like. The last guy I dated I was with for over 5 years and he loved sucking me and did every time we were together and I never minded at all. ;-)

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Ohhhh...that was a pretty interesting read. Now heres a curious question. Why does it matter whether they are into cock or pussy? Being faithful is being faithful. Your supposed to put all of those feelings aside as far as people outside of the relationship go anyway. Its not about getting sex elsewhere, but resisting temptation. Though I can understand what you mean as far as wanting a str8 man if your contemplating SRS so he can still be into you sexually after surgery. Fortunately I'm a TOP into TG and GG so I get to get the girls that like str8 men and the girls that dont care LOL. I win WOOT!!

I'm a pornstar and occassional escort. I don't really feel I am in a position to care whether my man is faithful right now. I just don't want a guy I am with running off to get fucked in the ass or fuck guys. Go fuck all the GG's you want.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to demand a guy is faithful to me when I have sex with others and have no intention to stop?