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Hurts me to say it but the smart money is on this lot in Westminster placing no orders and derailing it (no pun intended)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
Then a certain individual on this forum, who will remain nameless, will blame me personally for it because of Br-exit!
You might want to look more closely at the Siemens offer. Yes, it is good news for the skilled workers in Goole, but Siemens has not been the most innocent of companies given the confrontation with Bombardier over the ThamesLink contract in 2011.Quote:
Originally Posted by peejaye
Crucially, this:
Jürgen Maier, UK chief executive of Siemens, told the BBC’s Today programme on Friday that the group was counting on “frictionless trade”. “It is going to very difficult to not have friction without some sort of a customs union.” Speaking ahead of Theresa May’s key speech on future trade with the bloc, Mr Maier said he hoped the prime minister was “moving us towards a very good free trade deal, no tariffs and therefore easy movement of parts between the European continent and the UK.”
https://www.ft.com/content/272446b4-...a-4574d7dabfb6
So we are back at stage one: how to solve the customs union conundrum. As the advocate of leaving the Single Market and the Customs Union, I invite you to explain how the Siemens contract in Yorkshire will work if the UK is not inside the Customs Union, or 'a' customs union, given that Liam Fox regards any customs union membership as a 'betrayal' of the Referendum vote.
Brexit maybe the most nationalistic idea to hit The British Isles since the formation of The British National Party (BNP)!
I'm afraid you'll have to speak to my agent about that; :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
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a) when not trying to break up California he is too busy augmenting his €95,000 a year salary as an MP with LBS shock-jockery and whatever short change he gets from the Russians for appearing on RT; andQuote:
Originally Posted by peejaye
B) I really would prefer your views on the Customs Union given its importance to a wide range of issues with regard to production contracts and the management of the international border between the UK and the EU.
Enlighten us, Peejaye.
Today the EU and the UK have produced a draft Transition Agreement that confirms the transition will end on the 30th of December 2020.
Note that these are provisional agreements pending a final agreement which, if it is not reached, will render null and void all pre-existing ones, as Michel Barnier has said 'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'.
Note that there is no final agreement on the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, and that the Transition Agreement does not state if the European Court of Justice will adjudicate on legal disputes during the transition period.
Note also that while the UK will be free to negotiate trade agreements in the transition phase, they cannot be implemented until after the transition has ended. And this assumes that there is no extension of the transition date which is possible.
From the Guardian-
The UK has compromised on some of the EU’s key demands for the transition. It will end on 31 December 2020 (the EU’s preferred date), not around March 2021 (the UK’s preferred date). And EU nationals arriving in the UK during the transition will get the same rights as EU nationals here before. Theresa May originally said she would resist this.
- The UK has accepted that EU fishermen will still get the same access to UK waters during the transition as they do now. The UK’s share of fishing quotas will remain the same. But it will only have the right to be consulted about any changes to the total catch; it will not have a veto.
- The UK will have the right to negotiate its own trade deals during the transition, the EU has confirmed. But it will not be able to implement those deals until after the transition is over.
- The UK and the EU have published a new version of the draft withdrawal treaty (pdf). It is colour-coded, showing where the two sides have reached agreement (in green), where they are halfway towards an agreement (in yellow) and where matters are unresolved (in white).
- The EU has retained the provisions in the draft treaty proposing regulatory alignment between Northern Ireland and Ireland as a “backstop” solution to the border issue, even though Theresa May described this wording as unacceptable. Both sides are committed to a solution, but today’s document shows that they are not closer to deciding what this could be.
- The EU has retained a version of the proposed “punishment clause” that could be used to penalise the UK during the transition if it were seen to break single market rules. (See 12.10pm.) The UK has not accepted this. When an earlier version of the proposal was first floated, Davis accused the EU of acting in bad faith.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live
Here are the main points:
Correction: that should of course be the 31st December 2020.
With less than a year left before the UK leaves the EU or rather, begins its transition out of the EU, two interesting articles offer a perspective on a) fishing policy; and b) potential trade with the USA.
The article on fishing offers a different and more balanced perspective than the hysterical drivel one associates with the former leader of UKIP, Nigel Farage, and the 'low level people' he says he left behind when he abandoned the party to earn some money as a Radio talk show host in addition to his fabulous salary as a Member of the European Parliament, where he sat on the Fisheries Committee for two and half years, attending at least two or maybe three meetings. Presumably to claim his expenses, as he appears to have no real interest in fishing policy. Also interesting in explaining who fishes for what species, who owns the companies that dominate the market, and why ports like Hull went into decline after the 'Cod War's with Iceland.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...russels-brexit
The second is the annual report from the US Trade Representative which offers a guide to any future trade deal which the US says will only be possible with the EU if it gets rid of most of its health and safety regulations on food and other commodities which the USA claims are not based on scientific fact, and present a financial burden to competing firms in terms of administration costs. It seems almost laughable that the USA -one of the pioneers of science for over two hundred years- now has an administration that ridicules science at almost every level and yet wants the EU to lower its standards to meet its own low grade food products and who knows what else? I can't see the UK agreeing to trade with the US on such terms, it would be a return to the 1950s or worse, the 1940s when -grateful as the British were- Spam in cans made its way from the US to the UK to compensate for the lack of fresh meat. Enough to make an entire country go vegan.
You can read about the USA's war on standards here-
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8292006.html
I forgot to add that in the last two weeks it has been claimed that the Vote Leave campaign in the EU Referendum in 2016 broke the law, which raises the question: should the result be declared null and void? In this case, it is not the basket case twits in UKIP that are in the frame but the 'respectable' Tory liars like Boris Johnson and Michael Gove and their salamander Dominic Cummings who are in the frame. Unfortunately some of the people involved are now too close to Mrs May so we may not see any real action on this, but it does confirm just how dirty this referendum was, and how our democratic system has been hi-jacked by hypocritical careerists who will do anything and say anything to get what they want. It would be enough to make one vote Labour, if that rancid party was not so keen on the same result as the venal Tories.
https://www.ft.com/content/13ec834c-...f-23cb17fd1498
I believe it was about one thing, and one thing only.
Cunts!
https://medium.com/the-jist/was-eu-t...m-980ba88a8077
Exactly the same as the Tories did in a certain south coast by-election a couple of years ago with no action taken. Get over it you stupid fucking hypocrite!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Nice to see you finally declared your true color at last.
STOP encouraging that full weight cunt will you....PLEASE. You know it makes him fucking ill ! :grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
A by-election is not the same as a UK-wide Referendum, and as far as I can tell, you were on the same side as Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Nigel Farage, Gisela Stuart -and Jeremy Corbyn and many Labour people too numerous and too tedious to mention.Quote:
Originally Posted by peejaye
It is also the case that some time ago I did say I think a re-run of the Referendum would be a waste of time, and probably not change the result to anyone's satisfaction, I am not in favour of it.
An interesting, if disturbing thing about politics in the UK since 1979 is the extent to which Ministers of the Crown who commit offences that would have meant instant dismissal or resignation in the past now stay put as if it didn't matter -and because it doesn't matter to them; just as Comrade Corbyn judges people on their solidarity to him in a Trumpy kinda way, and thus supports those Trotskyist nutters whom he recruited in Target '82 all those years ago who now claim to be the 'left-opposition' in the suspiciously bourgeois Momentum, at least one of whom is married to a woman whose views on Israel would transform a slice of bread into toast long before it gets near the machine most normally used to make it.
But let's not dwell on the intellectually defunct Labour Party, perhaps you can tell is what you think Brexit will do for the fishing industry, and whether or not you want the UK to sign a trade deal with the USA regardless of issues some of us think are important, like the regulations that control the standard of food we are sold, and the safety regulations on other commodities. When the time comes, these are real issues that will affect us for some time to come, and I welcome your contribution to the debate on them.
Your sort are a type of fucking cancer, the sort of rubbish that should be propping up flyovers somewhere. This country is on the brink of ruin because of scum like you, 21,000 police officers took off our streets, 55 people murdered in London alone in 3 months & you perverted scum moan about Brexit. I can't afford to eat fish & I do my shopping at Aldi who don't sell products from the US so I don't fucking care!
I'd rather drink fucking vomit than discuss anything with rubbish like you. Tories to me are like pedophiles, get it!
Oh; & I don't care whose fucking side I'm on as I don't care what lunatics follow the same football team as me! I can't do Jack shit about either.
It's like watching a bad porn film, the suspense is killing me...When are you two going to fuck! :hide-1:
Another strange post. I am not sure how I can be blamed for the UK being 'on the brink of ruin' as I have never voted Conservative and indeed, at one time was actively opposed to their government through the 'old' Labour Party and that old warrior union NUPE. I haven't voted Labour since Blair because he sold the movement out by ditching Clause 4 and yet again, it is because I had the misfortune to actually deal with some of the people now in Momentum or the LRC who were in Target '82 that I cannot offer either practical or rhetorical support to Corbyn.Quote:
Originally Posted by peejaye
There is in fact a lot of policy that I agree with, but I have no confidence at all in Corbyn as a party manager or John McDonnell for reasons I have outlined before. You might not have emerged from those febrile times in the late 70s and early 80s in the same way I did, but let's face it, if after nearly 40 years you are dealing with people who act as if nothing has changed you have to wonder if they are fit to run the country, not least with the challenges thrown up by Brexit.
After the revolution, comrade, doesn't work anymore. And it never did, which is why Trotsky himself having dismissed the upper echelons of the Russian military in 1917 re-hired them in 1918 because without them the Bolsheviks would have lost the civil war. And what did this fake internationalist say to them? Do it for Mother Russia! After the revolution my arse, the revolution has already happened and they are still selling newspapers outside meeting halls where hours are spent fine-tuning resolutions that have no relevance to the dispossessed of Grenfell Tower or anyone else in need in this country.
And I am not moaning about Brexit, but asking pertinent questions about what it will mean in hard policy terms, which you avoid at all times as if it didn't matter when thousands of jobs are at threat and we stand to become poorer as a country.
As for crime in London, where I do not live, the absence of the police due to falling numbers is a factor, as is the remaining cohort to prefer confrontational over community policing -community policing has been a signal part of the reduction of crime in Boston in the USA, which is why the Russian-backed President never mentions it. I don't know what role social media plays in gang violence, as this is as far as my social media goes, but when youth unemployment in some parts of London is 50% you have to ask, will Corbyn give them all jobs?
Not going to happen, I am pleased to say. When he finds out I used to work for the BBC it will just get worse, though if I told him what my job title was (like something out of W1), he would probably die laughing, which I genuinely would not wish on anyone. Just as when I stepped into a lift in Broadcasting House with Derek Jacobi, who looked like he might pass out from fear, either from just looking at me, or that very odd thing I was holding at the time. But I don't always have that effect on people, and he is useless without a script anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
More like "WC" than "W1" ....well someone as to sweep up & clean the shithouses after them, I can't think of a more suitable candidate!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
I think it's more like an uncensored, hammily over-acted version of The Odd CoupleQuote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
And doesn't address any of the serious issues around Brexit, and I don't suppose a real debate on it will take place here.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
The Generals moustache warmer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Not so rational, and anyway I worked there for less than a year the pay was so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
An update on Brexit:
The House of Lords is coming to the end of its reading of the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, which is expected to return to the House of Common next month for its Third and final reading, the assumption being that the House will complete the passage of the Bill before the Summer recess. The Lords have amended the Bill, but while their amendments cannot change the Bill, it does mean the Commons must debate them, the Customs Union being the hot topic of the day.
However, as the BBC's John Pienaar has pointed out:
Search for the government's detailed blueprint for Brexit, a future trade deal and, more urgently, the customs union, and it becomes clear there isn't one.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43925282
It is not clear if the next EU Summit in May will shed any light on this aspect of the talks, and while some are saying that without mentioning 'Customs Union' by name an arrangement could be made with the EU that is 'a customs union' in all but name begs the question if the UK will both get it, and be free to enter into trade deals with countries outside the EU. The Government insists the UK is leaving the Customs Union, though it cannot explain how this affects the border in Northern Ireland, so we are still going round and round in circles, and ultimately, it is for the EU to decide.
Meanwhile, we are told the President of the USA will visit the UK after the NATO summit in July, which means he may meet the Queen at her summer residence in Scotland (Balmoral) (if she is still alive) and possibly Downing Street in London. Protests are planned, but may not have the desired effect.
More pertinent, there is a claim that Theresa May is desperate to negotiate a trade deal with the USA when the UK leaves the EU, yet there is no meat in this sandwich that should attract investors. We are still not sure if the USA will be shutting the door to foreign trade through tariff barriers, or open its economy to UK investors in the way that Mrs Thatcher created the 'Open Britain' that has enabled foreign companies (and, indeed, foreign governments) to purchase large swathes of our economy -the USA does not normally give foreigners the same opportunity and there is no sign it will in future. Moreover, the value of trade with the USA will not be as attractive to investors as trade in Asia, which should take precedence over the USA if the UK does indeed leave the EU with a free hand to negotiate -always assuming that the UK outside the EU is an appealing prospect to trading partners whom, I suspect, want more from us than we get from them.
And of course, this all rests on the President still being in office in July, and Theresa May still being Prime Minister too, given that on the Customs Union she is watching her back and if Amber Rudd is forced to resign over the lies she has told about Windrush and Home Office targets, Theresa May would lose an important ally in Cabinet and be even weaker than she is now.
An update on speculation over Brexit, take it all with a "pinch of salt" especially its source!
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The resignation of Home Secretary Amber Rudd weakens Theresa May's authority in Cabinet, and comes at a time when David Davis, Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union is reported to be so fed up with May's EU adviser he is also close to resigning. On top of that, Rudd has had to resign because of a long-established policy on immigration that was started by none other than May herself when she was Home Secretary.
The Militant Tendency -Boris Johnson, Liam Fox, Michael Gove and Andrea Leadsom must decide in the next few weeks if now is the time to move against May, waiting for the outcome of the local elections in the UK next Thursday (every council in London is up for grabs), or wait for the Commons Third Reading on the EU Withdrawal Bill with specific reference to the Customs Union, or move against her in September in advance of the Party Conference at the start of October. What I don't know is how close the Militants are to the Democratic Unionist Party who may be the key to May's survival.
Windrush is an example of a policy problem the government did not expect to even be exposed in public, let alone take on a life of its own and threaten to hi-jack an agenda dominated by Brexit. It is even conceivable it could bring the government down.
The sooner the better, and one hopes, before Friday the 13th of July, so we can spared a visit from the pompous windbag from the White House who thinks Nine Elms is a 'lousy location' for the US Embassy, as if anyone here cared.
He's coming, get over it. I'll watch out for you with your little placard demanding he "go home".
As for Brexit, get Nigel around the table & let's get it over & done with to stop your fucking whining! Armageddon hasn't happened as you clowns predicted. It must be so frustrating :-P
Doctor Liam Fox a militant :D
You really are in a class of your own :hide-1:
Where have you been Redvex? It's not the same with only the Two Amigos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ts RedVeX
The House of Lords has defeated the government again-
Peers voted by 335 votes to 244 to ensure parliament – rather than the government – decides the next steps if the prime minister’s exit deal is rejected in the autumn.
Unless the defeat is overturned in the Commons, it increases the chances of softening the deal and sending the government back to the negotiating table if the agreement is rejected.
As is the case with Amendments from the Lords, it now requires the House of Commons to debate it, though a vote should go the same way as most votes so far given that the Labour Party leadership is as committed to leaving the EU as the Tories -unless a growing number of MPs on both sides of the House now see the opportunity to delay leaving the EU owing to the governments inability to make any coherent statement on the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland with regard to 'the' or 'a' Customs Union with the EU which is only one of a number of unresolved issues.
That confusion exists across the House was further illustrated by the bizarre remarks of Green Party MP (and co-leader of the party) Caroline Lucas. Thus Viscount Hailsham defended the amendment on the basis that it would ensure
“that the future of our country is determined by parliament and not by ministers”.
Whereas Caroline Lucas went further to argue the decision should in fact be taken out of Parliament altogether-she said the amendment
raised the prospects of a fresh referendum on the exit deal. “MPs should respond by ensuring the public are also able to express their view on the final Brexit deal, which will affect generations for generations to come,”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8329761.html
So there you are: so far no exit deal has been agreed because negotiations with the EU are still in process; nobody knows how to resolve the problem in Northern Ireland; the Commons will have to decide if it will vote on the exit deal that has not yet been agreed (presumably in October or November this year); there may be a referendum on the exit deal, there may not be a referendum on the exit deal.
Which is rather like saying we still don't know if the UK will in fact leave the EU, after all, the date of exit on the 29th of March 2019 is a date that marks the transition out of the EU which begins on the 30th of March 2019 and will last -so far - for another year during which the UK will abide by the rules and decisions of the EU, its Single Market and Customs Union...
...someone once wrote an critique of Trotsky's 'Transitional programme' in the context of the Bolshevik Revolution, calling the article 'Transition to the transition'.
Add in the prospect of the UK failing to agree an exit deal with the EU and I guess we could have a 'Transition to the Crash'.
I'd stay off this section if I were you Vex ; for your own sanity, that other cunt is close to coming under lock & key by the Sanity Police. Maybe then we could all have a bit of light hearted fun without it turning in to War & fucking Peace! Nice to see you back too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ts RedVeX
The alternative position, and the most sane position for you to take, Peejaye, is to inform yourself on the most important decision this country has made since declaring war on Nazi Germany in September 1939.
And ask questions like: will the UK economy, and its society be better off outside the EU? How? In what way?
You can take an interest in compelling issues such as the rights of EU/British citizens in the EU and UK after Brexit; you can try to unravel the issue of Northern Ireland and the Customs Union, and you can ask if the UK should be looking west after Brexit to negotiate a trade deal with the USA, or look east to the prospects of trade with India, China and Japan.
And in case you are not aware of it, the conflict over these issues in Cabinet and the wider ranks of the Conservative Party could result in Theresa May losing her position as Prime Minister, or the Government losing a key vote in the Commons -or both- forcing a General Election which I believe you want to deal with domestic rather than 'foreign' issues which you -and others like myself- identify as being of critical importance for the well-being of citizens -housing being but one obvious issue.
Can you really just wish it all away as if it were not important? I trust you will bring your life-experience and acumen to bear upon the matter of most importance to us all.
To be quite honest with you; I haven't got a clue? If I'd got a degree in Politics & Economics I would probably try & help you as you've asked me a few times. I know you enjoy discussing it but even if I had a clue I don't suppose it would solve anything as the people elected to sort it don't listen to anyone anyway, not even the so-called experts. Very depressing isn't it? :neutral:
Peejaye, when David Cameron decided to honour the pledge made in the 2015 Election Manifesto do hold a referendum on the UK's membership of the UK, the 'establishment' as you would call them, did not expect to lose the vote.
What is 'depressing' to some, but no surprise to many is the realization that even the militants arguing for the UK's exit from the EU did not think through the details, or they had a different agenda anyway. Farage, Fox, Gove and Hannan took the view that exit means exit, and during the referendum debate wished away all the post-Exit details as merely something an independent UK would deal with at the time, just as Farage said he wasn't bothered by tariffs because they would not be high and the UK would be able to afford them. This is before his buddy in the US threatened to impose tariffs on UK products that could increase unemployment here.
Now they are holding a gun to Mrs May's head (Jacob Rees-Mogg denies this and says his European Research Group proposals are 'Duelling Pistols' -!! I think you know what they are, something to do with the 17th century...) over the Customs Union because none of the people involved on either side of the argument stopped to think through the implications of the exit on something like the Customs Union, or as I say just waved their hands and said 'we will deal with that when it happens' -and it is about to happen, and they can't deal with it.
I am not an expert in EU affairs, but at the time of the Referendum debate even I could see that Hannan's argument -also used by Liam Fox- that outside the EU the UK would be able to freely negotiate trade deals with 150 countries (I forget the precise figure which is higher) was rubbish not least because it includes micro-states with populations smaller than Birmingham -so how can such deals with micro-states compensate for any losses in revenue from trade with our most important partner the EU?
And, it now emerges that India may not be as keen to trade with us as people like Hannan think, or worse for the militants obsessing over immigrants and migrants, that if it does want a trade deal it must give Indian citizens better access to jobs in the UK. If all this sounds suspiciously like 'free movement' in all but name, welcome to the wold of international trade where trade includes the movement of people as well as things. And none of this is a mystery, it has been part of trade deals for decades.
I suggest that the Brexiteers actually want to destroy the EU as it exists and that the UK's exit is one blow to undermine it. The Nationalist agenda of Hungary is threatening to smash the EU from the other side, while Americans who helped to elect a tax cheat and daft-dodging coward as President did so because he is also opposed to the EU and indeed, the North America Free Trade Agreement and every other form of international trading bloc.
Because in reality what these 'free marketeers' want is an end to globalization as the co-ordinated production, distribution and sale of goods. They believe that 'too many' states are using trade deals within trading blocs like the EU to get a 'free ride' to the market on somebody else's ticket and thus relying on the USA and the UK for their capital and their benefits from trade when they raise little capital of their own and produce even less, yet insert themselves into the system to obtain grants to fund employment schemes that would otherwise not be viable, or fund food production that rests on rigged pricing systems that by definition buck the market.
Convinced they would be the winners in a truly 'free market' these people are prepared to destroy what we have, flawed though it is but working, for something which in reality they do not know will work at all. Just as Milton Friedman described 'Thatcherism' as an 'economic experiment' in which the UK was the laboratory 'guinea pigs' so these prophets of a new economic order are using the world as their lab.
Who do you want in control of the lab -a scientist or a prophet?
I don't know who you are in real life; or what "cloak & dagger" outfit you may represent but it's one of the biggest mysteries in life to me why you & one or two others(Gina Miller & Cancer Blair) seem absolutely devastated over Brexit & petrified beyond belief what the future holds?
I am truly lost for words! We've got through two World wars for fucks sake!
They tell me fishing is a relaxing hobby.... or golf maybe? For me it's a 5% cask IPA full of American Citra & Mosaic hops. :cheers:
You might want to put that comment about two wars into context. Both left the UK bankrupt -in 1932 Neville Chamberlain introduced the War Loan Bonds in order to raise funds to re-finance the debts run up during the First World War. The last payment on the debt, £1.9 billion was paid off by Chancellor George Osborne in 2015. However, the UK borrowed heavily from the USA during the War and owed around $4.4 billion when Chamberlain's domestic War Bond Loans were up and running. There is some dispute as to whether or not the UK has ever paid the US back or if the US has asked for it back, with interest and adjusted to contemporary prices, the current debt is around $40 billion.Quote:
Originally Posted by peejaye
Ps, Don't tell the Americans.
As for World War II, again the UK could not have fought the War without American money, debts run up during the War and Lend-Lease to help Britain revive after it were around $586 million with a line of credit worth $3.7 billion. The last payment on loans from the USA was paid off by Chancellor Gordon Brown in 2006.
In both cases, Britain could rely on its extensive Empire for raw materials under the 'Imperial Preference' schemes, and it could rely on men and women across the Empire to put on a uniform and fight for the Empire, though it seems that sacrifice is not worth much today if the soldiers in question were from the Caribbean or the Indian sub-continent. Just as Britain had Imperial Preference and helped to form the European Free Trade Area in 1960, so it benefited from being in the European Economic Community when it joined in 1973.
Thus, the Militant Brexiteers who announce the imminent freedom of the UK in a global free market that does not exist, would do well to acknowledge that the UK has not had to compete on its own on terms dictated by the market since the formation of the Honourable East India Company in 1600. But don't worry, we will be independent, and we will succeed, and we will all be rich.
And if that doesn't work, we can always ask the Americans to bail us out. What else is the Special Relationship for?
And I haven't even started on why Europe is embedded in the history and culture of this country and why we would be insane to detach ourselves from it in this manner.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30306579
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...t#World_War_II
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/...isode_77.shtml
I don't read links, ESPECIALLY BBC links. Don't worry, we won't starve to death, Nigel will make sure. Go & buy yourself a nice fishing rod or some golf clubs.
This has to be sarcasm as even you must know what a useless turd Farage is, a man who could not control his own party with its history of resignations, suspensions, sackings and defections; a law suit that has all but bankrupted the party, and other than the 2014 elections to the European Parliament a long list of election failures, not least the 7 failed attempts he made to get into Parliament, followed by a resignation, a return to leadership and another resignation describing UKIP with contempt as a party with 'low grade people' which under its new leader Gerard Batten is simply a rump of the clapped out English Neo-Nazi/Fascist movement obsessed with Muslims and the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation. Wherever he goes Farage leaves a trail of dubious political and financial connections, some of them Russian, some connected to extremists in the USA, and all amounting to nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by peejaye
If you insist on avoiding the BBC, which sounds like you avoid reading anything, let alone articles you don't agree with, this one in today's Independent considers the UK's trade options outside the EU, and it doesn't look good. You may want to invest in a fishing rod yourself, as the weenies in the Ouse may be the cheapest source of nutrition you can find in years to come.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8332411.html
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Don't worry about me brother.... I'm laughing all way to the bank :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros