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It yes, that would make it easier for them. Fortunately the scenario you've created is entirely fabricated and firearms ordered online have to be transferred through an FFL dealer who submits their info in a background check. Ultimately irrelevant in this case since the guy had no prior history.
Gun Control and Abortion are great coctail party conversation, you can have half the room yelling at the other half in 3 minutes.
The Pro-Choicers don't want Romney messing with their bodies, the Gun Lobby doesn't want Obama to mess with their guns.
Abortion is murder, but kids killing their classmates and 2,000 guns a day shipped to Mexico, that's the price of freedom.
Cowboys shooting varmints on their Montana Ranch, that's what's all-American, Gangbangers shooting each other in the hood, that's what's wrong with America.
It's too bad we can't enact laws for what we LIKE. Then everybody would be happy.
Not so. Depends on the online dealer.Quote:
firearms ordered online have to be transferred through an FFL dealer
Do you need a Background Check to buy a gun in America? - YouTube
Good argument for checking more than just a prior history background. Perhaps a psychological profile, certification of firearm safety training etc.Quote:
Ultimately irrelevant in this case since the guy had no prior history.
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Originally Posted by trish
:confused:....and you're the same person who gets your shorts knotted up when someone dare suggest that maybe some sort of ID should be required at least initially when registering to vote as proof of citizenship and eligibility. And the fact that States and cities will assist you in getting that documentation for free....doesn't deter you from seeing infringment or supression of a right.... You'd call that suppression of a civil right, and that would be your mildest accusation. We know what follows that ..........yet here you are requiring everything from a shrink session to safety training...what's next....high school report cards..........college transcripts ?
That's why your argument won't get anywhere...because you're not consistent in your application of standards or requirements. We all know what the intent behind some of the regulations say for example in NYC even on long guns. It's almost impossible even with your rigorous protocol for a perfectly stable, law abiding citizen to purchase even a single shot 22 cal. pistol for target practice, which is why the Supreme Court struck down the DC gun ban..... Although Justice Breyer seems to think if you live in an urban area, you're not guaranteed the same rights as someone on a farm in Montana. It's settled law. Stop trying to pretend it's not.
I can predict your counter argument with relative ease, but I'm busy today so I'll get back to you.
Yes. Of course. Every day people in the U.S. are injured or killed from incidents involving firearms; some accidents, some murders, some suicides. Compared to those numbers voter fraud is non-existent. We don't require voter safety lessons nor voting licenses either, merely register and you can vote. Voters on the public square don't increase the general risk of violent injury.Quote:
and you're the same person who gets your shorts knotted up when someone dare suggest that maybe some sort of ID should be required at least initially when registering to vote as proof of citizenship and eligibility.
So if you want an id for something as simple, unassuming, risk free and non-lethal as voting for which there is no evidence of abuse, why would you not want even stronger regulations on dangerous, lethal weapons designed for killing?
An ID for voting is a little silly. Whenever I vote at my precinct in Northern Virginia, they ALWAYS ask me to give my address to make sure it matches with the one they have on file. Sometimes I'm asked to present my voter card.
Hard to fake your identity as a voter if you can't vouch for where you live.
Guns are a totally different story. It's crazy that we expect more certification to legally drive a car than to own a firearm.
Lol, ever hear of a phone book?Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Everybody knows voter ID is another Republican Governor's genius idea to keep themselves in power. One American coming between another American Voting is fucking SICK.
Owning a military tank or fighter jet is 100% legal as long as it's not armed. But you don't see fruitcakes strafing Pennsylvania Ave, because restoring a tank or flying a plane takes a logical mind. And lots of money. The second ammendment is a bold experiment I believe in. Just like no father should let his daughter date OMK, no true American should let the NRA twist the United States Constitution.
what's a phone book and what century are you living in? :)Quote:
ever hear of a phone book?
1984
July 20, 2012
Any day of the week, any year.
You're invoking 1984 when it's your side that wants voter id?
And here is the alleged the shooter:
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But let's not forget, boys and girls, it's not the gun he used that killed all those people at prayer - it was the man. The gun is innocent!
After reading a little bit you can tell he wanted to kill muslims but the idiot didn't even kill the right people. Is he a conservative or a liberal?
Oh surely in America Muslims or Sikhs. They're all the same, aren't they... weirdos in turbans?
I heard he was shooting 45 caliber ballots. You should have to have a picture ID to get a hold of those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
"But it's still too early to contemplate a gun debate" :soapbox
Uhm......got me confused with someone else? I didn't realize this was middle school gym class and they were picking teams, guess I got picked by the 'voter id' people or something while I wasn't paying attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
The only side I'm on is my own. I have ideas and beliefs and if they align with someone elses great, if not, they can go do their thing and I'll continue on with my way of living. I'm not even sure where, how, or why 'voter id's' came into the picture, I truly stopped paying attention to the details of this thread like a dozen pages or more ago, it got waaaay too far from the OP and has fallen down the "gun debate" hole and broken it's leg. I'd put it out of it's misery, but, ya know, the hole is really deep. So it'll just have to lay down there in pain and hopefully die of starvation.
Well pay attention to where in the conversation you're chiming in at and to which posts you seem to be responding to. Keeping that small bit of advice in mind you should do okay :). Good to know you're not willing to support voter suppression with a 1984 reference:)
"Somebody" was exercising their 2nd amendment rights to the fullest, that was the problem.Quote:
Perhaps if someone was utilizing their 2nd amendment rights to the fullest, the shooting wouldn't have been as tragic.
A while ago I was talking with my brother about the feasibility of constructing a Popular Mechanics style cruise missle, with hobbyist remote control, GPS, it would be a nice project. I think if I put my mind to it I could make the front pages of every paper in the world, luckily for me and the world, I'm not insane.
Now, back to reality.
The reason the internal investigation by the FTA of Fast and Furious has taken so long is that the Constitution Waving Gun-nuts have blocked and impeded the Light of Day at every opportunity. The snowball that may have began as a genuine protection of individual rights has now grown into an uncontrollable avalanche-ball careening down the mountain. By slamming the door on bleeding heart liberal gun control sissies, they've opened the door to criminals and lunatics.
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk the corner to the rubble that used to be a library
Line up to the mind cemetery now
What we don't know keeps the contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn the books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as the cells
Rally round the family, pockets full of shells
Bulls On Parade - Rage Against The Machine - YouTube
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Originally Posted by yosi
Without weapons specifically designed to kill quickly, efficiently and in large numbers, people will be that much less efficient at killing each other.
Good. In that case I suppose that you also want to disarm all cops and get rid of all armies, because what civilians kill is like a drop in the Atlantic in comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
What an utterably stupid remark. Of course more die in wars. But the killing during ordinary life - in peacetime - is massively aggravated by guns in the hands of civilians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Femboyurge
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Read James Holmes’ rejected grad school application letter
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By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News | The Lookout – 2 hrs 37 mins ago
James Holmes, the former Univ. of Colorado graduate student accused of killing 12 people during last month's theater shooting in Aurora, Colo., had applied to the Univ. of Iowa's neuroscience program in 2011, but was rejected.
"Do NOT offer admission under any circumstances," Dan Tranel, neurology professor and director of psychology at the Univ. of Iowa, wrote in an email to the admissions committee published Thursday by the Denver Post.
The Jan. 30, 2011, email included Tranel's recommendations for seven applicants, including Holmes. Other candidates for the program were characterized by Tranel as "stellar," "solid," "solid, not spectacular" and "probably fine." Tranel advised the committee to offer admission to four, saying he was not sure about two others. Holmes, though, he was sure about.
Holmes applied to several other schools, including the Univ. of Illinois--which accepted him. But he chose to attend the Univ. of Colorado Denver.
[Complete coverage: Colorado theater shooting]
According to his application, Holmes--a graduate of the Univ. of California-Riverside--wanted to pursue a degree in neuroscience because of his "foremost passions, the science of learning, cognition and memory."
"I have always been fascinated by the complexities of a long lost thought seemingly arising out of nowhere into a stream of awareness," Holmes wrote in his application letter. "I have an unquenchable curiosity, a strong desire to know and explore the unknown, and a need to persist against the odds."
Holmes--who gave himself the title of "aspiring scientist"--also recounted his childhood in California and his experience as a camp counselor for underprivileged children:Behind the cluster of houses, rows upon rows of strawberries grew in the Salinas valley. As a child I passed these strawberry fields everyday on my way to school into the town of Castroville, "The Artichoke Center of The World". At school everyone wore a mandatory uniform consisting of navy blue jeans for the boys and a navy blue skirt for the girls, while everyone donned a white shirt. I didn't know at the time why uniforms were necessary but later discovered the uniforms were issued to curb gang rivalry. Looking back, my life could have gone in a completely different direction had I not possessed the foresight to choose the path of knowledge. I chose to appreciate an education, cultivating my mind. Sine then I have strived to find new and better ways to learn, to improve. This is why I aim to attend graduate school and why my primary aim is to explore learning and memory.Holmes is accused of killing 12 people and injuring 58 others during the July 20 massacre at a midnight screening of "A Dark Knight Rises"--several weeks after failing an oral exam at University of Colorado Denver. According to the Arapahoe County District Attorney's office, Holmes was barred from the school's Anschutz Medical Campus after he made threats in June.
In the field of cognitive neuroscience, researchers come from many different backgrounds and bring part of who they are to their investigations. I too will bring my past, specifically my strong moral upbringing. In addition, I will also exemplify my resolution and clairvoyance in problem solving. These abilities and more are typified in a summer job I performed as a camp counselor for underprivileged children.
Assuming a leadership role was something I was previously unaccustomed to but I took on the task with fervor. For the next week, twelve boys ages ten to eleven would look up to me for guidance and direction in Cheyenne cabin. Following them, nine more weeks with nine more groups. Every day there were activities for the kids but one of the activities "create your own," tended to turn into chaos. At first I chose to let the kids decide what they wanted to do and put it to a vote. Democracy right? Bad idea. Some wanted to go to the game room, others wanted to rest, some wanted to go to the field but there was no way to manage everyone if they split up. The outcome resulted in twelve kids arguing with each other, name calling and pushing. To resolve these types of incidents from occurring again I changed my strategy. "Create your own" became game room on Monday, sports on Tuesday, drawing on Wednesday... and if the kids were really good I devised something special for them like lizard catching. In the middle of that week when the campers were writing letters to home about their camp experience one of the little guys asked me how to spell amazing.
When it was time for each cabin to go home there were always kids telling me they wanted the same cabin next summer and if I would be back again to be their cabin counselor. At those moments I felt a sense of unparalleled accomplishment.
Other times I felt that I could be doing more. On average, two of the kids per cabin were clinically diagnosed with ADHD. One of the weeks, I mentored a kid with Schizophrenia. At 3:30 a.m. he woke up and vacuumed the ceiling of our cabin. These kids were heavily medicated, but this did not solve their problems, only create new ones. The medication changed them from highly energetic creative kids to lax beings who slept through the activities. I wanted to help them but couldn't. This is where neuroscience research becomes invaluable.
With a neuroscience doctorate there is even more to accomplish. Those most in need of an education including children and people with cognitive disabilities, can benefit from the results of research into the workings of learning, memory and brain-behavior relations. Indeed all aspects of society have the potential to gain from advancements in our understanding of learning and memory because we are all connected. We all share one brain, the human brain.
Prosecutors also say Holmes told a classmate in March that he wanted to kill people.
Holmes' defense attorneys say he is mentally ill.
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Aurora, Colo., theater shooter James Holmes converts to Islam
By Jessica Chasmar
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The Washington Times
The man who shot up an Aurora, Colo., movie theater during a screening of “The Dark Knight Rises” last summer has reportedly converted to Islam and prays up to five times a day.
A prison source say the beard James Holmes sported in court last months represents his new-found faith. The source said Mr. Holmes has turned Muslim as a way of justifying his horrific crimes on July 20 which left 12 people dead and 58 people wounded, the Daily Mail reports.
“He has brainwashed himself into believing he was on his own personal jihad and that his victims were infidels,” the source told the National Enquirer.
Mr. Holmes now prays five times a day, sticks to a strict Muslim diet and spends hours each day studying the Koran, the source told the Enquirer.
But most Muslim inmates are not happy with the convict’s new religion.
“None of them condone forms of terrorism or extremism,” the source added. “And they don’t want their religion to be connected to that awful shooting.”
Mr. Holmes is charged with 166 counts, mostly for murder and attempted murder, the Mail reports. He could be executed or spend the rest of his life in prison if convicted. A Colorado judge entered a not guilty plea on his behalf earlier this month