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this post is so much better than anything yet on HA.
such a refreshing break from all of the self-serving american tgirls and their sycophantic tranny web chaser minions.
Kudos to the participants of this thread. Particularly DJAsia, M77, and Bkkldby. Thanks for the stories and photos!
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Originally Posted by stevensw
do you find your 2 statements in bold type to be contradictory?
i think they are just employing another style, softer, but still money oriented.
whatever you do it will cost money. some places more than others.
Linda bar is cool though, and it set the standard for others like Jenny Star Bar. Linda is up the street and JSB is at ground zero under the marine disco, so they have more or less cornered the market because they are more visible.
please explain why knowing how to speak ANY other language is a deficit? how could knowing what is being said about you be a downside? the number one thing about speaking the language is that people have to know you know the score, have been there for a long time, and are not one to be messed about to the same degree as one who is ignorant of what is being said. which will immediately cause the true sharks in the pookl to feed elsewhere. beautiful or not, your dream girl or not, that does seem to help from my experience.
further, many of the posters here have seen particular girls on the Internet and want to be with them, the only place to find them is where they work or getting their mobile numbers from Internet website member's areas. Ladyboycrush.com and LB_69.com have good resources for that. get a one month subscription for 30 USD find the girls of interest and copy and paste their info into a MS doc. then cancel the membership. the 30 dollars is a sound investment. i must have a mobile phone with 50 numbers in it that i got mostly from the net to start. some are not still in service, but most are. it is there "office" phone and they try to keep their numbers. also, many have their e-mail addresses listed and that means you can "get to know them" before you come over. (many of these sites are blocked here in Thailand, do not assume you will be able to log on to them when you are here. i know this, because it happened to me before. copy and paste or write it down.
i have called many of these girls without having gone to their place of work, asked them to come and meet me at a particular time. and they ALL have. this eliminates the bar and all the hassles associated with that. if you ask them to visit you at about 3 or 4 PM you can also avoid the bar fine that so many of us abhor. as long as they can get to work and punch the clock before 7 pm (most bars) they do not have to tell the mamasan or give her the fine. if they meet you after that time you will need to give them the fine, but you still avoid the hard sell of some bars.
now, going to straight bars all evening, as is suggested here, and then going to cruise Sukhumvit Rd. (BKK) is OK, but consider this. LBs, as opposed to GGs, have one good throw a night in them, after that, their load is blown in the literal sense. this will surely cut down on their arousal, performance and your fun. GGs can go all night and it is most always the same performance. so if you want the full FX, want them at full arousal, waiting can surely diminish those chances. just like most anything else in life, fresh should be better. and you will not be "eating another man's soup" either.
so having to "suffer" a bar of that type to get what you dreamed about, and what inspired you to go in the first place, is just a little bit more. sort of like having a 3 or a 4 course meal instead of a soup and a salad. and as a benchmark for your assessment of the entire scene, go at least one night and see for yourself. all of us have opinions and personal strategies, develop one of your own.
i know what it is like to be in a candy store and not have enough pocket change to buy some jaw breakers, but if you think you can come here (or anywhere) and always avoid paying for what you desire, forget it. the Thai baht is very a strong now (especially against the USD) and it will never be like it was before(when i first came her bar fines were 200 baht, girls were 300 - 500 short time, punter drinks were 45 baht for a beer or a whiskey, and lady's drinks were 65 baht). so be prepared to spend some money to make the trip worthwhile. in USD a ladies drink in BKK is 4 dollars, in the USA that is 50 USD or there abouts, same as a lap dance (what's that all about?). so regardless of what the price ranges may be here, keep in mind it is baht and not some other currency, and the price differentials that appear to be way different, are not so different after all.
another consideration for some may be discretion. many guys may be shy to be seen with a LB, so the bars will help to cut down on your public exposure. if you see a LB in a bar, tell her that you will pay the bar (tell the mamasan too) and ask her to meet you outside where you can get a cab and go to a short time hotel down the street. they understand this and will comply. if at all possible, and you have a mobile on you, GET THEIR NUMBER, that way you are not outside and just holding your d*ck waiting for Gadot. when they give you the number, immediately call it to see if it works. but do keep in mind they now have your number as well, which ties you to "the scene of the crime", so to speak.
none of this is an exact science, and everyone has their method to this madness, so again i suggest, do a recon of the area on your first night. keep moving form place to place, and then decide where you want to hang out after that. many guys find a girl within the first hour and then unknowingly saddle themselves with her for a few days and then realize what they have done, missed out on other ops.
two things that i agree with stevensw on are these:
- 1. always be polite
2. and do see something other than girls and the bottom of a glass
Thailand is spectacular place with one of the worlds oldest cultures. (the oldest remains on the planet, of a "civilized"village, were actually discovered up North a few years back. and, if you do find a GG or LB you get along with, take them on a tour with you. they can help you with the language, ordering food, getting from place to place, etc. BUT MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALREADY SPENT A FEW DAYS WITH THEM. most who are into scamming will show their true colors in a short time, they just can't help themselves. others have the patience of a Sphinx so be aware of that too. AND NEVER assume that anything is free. NEVER. even if they say so. that is the number quagmire to avoid. if you do take a girl for more than a short time you are expected to pay for EVERYTHING.
also understand that bars require girls to be paid for for the entire time they are with you, and that goes towards them making their quota for the month. so do no think they only care about getting paid. the bar fine tally at the end of the month tells the boss if they are a good worker or not. girls who take more than a few days off, and do not pay the bar, must then pay a penalty to come back to work, usually 6 to 10,000 baht. so they will always be worrying about that.
i could go one for days here, but i must get back to work.
in closing i would like to add one thing, and not to pound my chest or brag, it is just a fact. i worked in Pattaya and i managed 2 hotels at the same time while i was there. a 4 star and a 5 star. one of my responsibilities, being a native English speaker, was to help out, translate and settle disputes between punters and joiners (they did not tell me that at the interview ... lol). so much of what i have seen and experienced is above and beyond the norm simply because it was part of my daily routine at work for 3 years in Pattaya, and also in other locals.
i have actually had to go to a room and get a girl to put down a broken beer bottle she was using to protect herself. seems the punter had fallen in love and thought the love of his life was running away. turns out she had been with him for 3 days in the room and only wanted to go home to get fresh clothes and "check her mail". i asked him if he had paid her, he said no, so i got him to grasp the fact she would be back to get paid for 3 or more days of work. too bad he flipped, she really liked him until he attacked her. (language was the key to survival here.) she was defending herself, NOT ATTACKING HIM. which is the case 50% of the time. he spoke Spanish and barely a word of English which of course is what most girls speak her for a second language. no side is innocent always, and no side is the perp always either.
working girls are at risk all the time. so do not wonder why they may be apprehensive to go anywhere or do what you may suggest. there are some real freaks coming here and they can be truly criminal in their behavior. there was a guy years ago who would kill them, wrapped them in plastic and hid them under the bed. and then there was a guy who would cuff them to the shower head and turn the hot water on and scald them to death. and in one of the hotels where i worked, an American sailor realized he had taken a LB for short time, and being a typical homophobe, he knocked her out, tied the sheets to her ankles and hung her off of his balcony. granted, 3 extreme examples, but true none the less. so be a bit understanding if someone does not want to do something they may perceive to be of danger to them.
but, all of this is just my opinion ...
as i have stated previously, it is in everyone's best interest to know the score. makes it better, safer and more fun in the long run. any questions, i will try to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by puddinfoot
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Originally Posted by nevada64
not only is Helen hot, she is a fantastic personality when you get to know her. fun, smart and into more than just sex if she likes you.
Who is this? She is hot. Any more pictures of her? Videos?
Sorry, no more pics from her - this pics were taken in Q Bar BKK ...Quote:
Originally Posted by user1for
... like this
Amy, Boy, Emma and a few other names. In my humble opinion she is one of the best lookin LB's around, and there is no shortage of them... :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by TGL
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/style_images/17_logo4.gif
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?
this is a forum for Thailand, NOT FOR SEX.
it is a great place to ask any question NOT RELATED TO SEX.
needless to say, that forum is homophobic and not GLBTG frindly per se.
Some words from me to this real words from bkkldbyQuote:
Originally Posted by bkkldby
In Thailand is money the number 1 and you will always hear from the girls there the words "take care"
I find that there are some better places in Pattaya for meeting LBs like in the Walking Street. The most girls in and around JSB looking not so clean and some could have alcohol- or drug problems.
Often the best way for meeting a LB in LOS is for going straight into a bar, looking around and then (maybe) asking the mamasan about your choice girl.
Or in a forum of a LB-website there you can ask for phone- or e-mail adresses of your LB and mostly get it there from one of the members.
And if you be in BKK then sit on beginning of evening or before bar closing time on the entrance of the Nana-Plaza at Big Dogs Bar or Lucky Luke Bar and waiting until the girls passing and ask them.
But I never can understand if someone is shy for showing him with such a nice girl in public ? Always when I was somewhere in BKK with my Thai-gf there had very often told taxi drivers or people in shops or some other how much beautiful she is and that I must be a lucky guy.
Yes, often the girls like to show there true colours after some days or be like a Sphinx. But for me it was always a great time to visiting with her her family in the north of Thailand. There you see how she is in really private situation.
I fucking love this thread :)
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i am not one to tar all folks with the same brush, and by no means are the greater percentage of sex workers here (or any where) out to rip you off, screw you over or scam you, but it only takes one. further, those who are into it are of every kind. some will go for the jugular before you even go short time, others will wait, some will marry you, and take everything you have in a divorce or legal proceeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katoey-Thaiger
i know of a GG who was married with kids and she had a Thai husband and family, as well, living on the other side of town. she waited what i believe was 13 years before she pulled the plug on this poor Italian guy in Phuket and sued him for divorce and took his businesses and all of his real estate and money. he had to higher a local lawyer, go home to his native country and wait to get the case overturned and his assets returned to him, which did happen (rare case, GOOD lawyer). this is a documented case of something that is not just a one off occurrence, it is an industry here, and everywhere in the world where there is play for pay. i repeat, 13 years she conspired with her husband and she went as far as to have children with the man.
there are a few mamasans who will help you, but the general consensus of all the guys i know is this, they are the ones who teach the others how to screw you over and they will always most certainly tell you what they think you wish to hear. rarely have they had sex with the person of your desire and rarely do they have any clue as to whether she is a "good" girl or not. about the most they can tell you is if they are pre or post-op.
but that does not mean 100% of the time this will happen.
in regard to going home to meet the family, this can be one of the most enjoyable experiences that you could have here, or, the worst. it would seem that Katoey-Thaiger was lucky. others are not so lucky.
true case example and not uncommon:
back in the 80's i was seeing a GG here, i had yet to move her. she came to stay with me at my hotel, i had been with her previously, fell in love (fool that i was at the time) and had also been sending her money so she would not have to work. one night after staying with me for about a week her "sister" (later found out not really related at all, manager more like it) came to the hotel (pre mobile phone days) to say her "brother" was killed in a motorcycle accident in the rain, it just so happened he was run over while driving in the rain by a cement truck and had gotten himself smushed between the rear wheels.
so we went the Lumpini Police Hospital to claim his body (another scary story for another post) and we took him to the temple for the week long funeral. i was asked by the family to help pay for his funeral, which i did, this means the rental of the room at the temple for the body to be reviewed and blessed for a week. meals for all the monks twice a day and all who come to visit all day and all night. i sat with her and her family and friend FOR A WEEK, watched the cremation and then my holiday was over, so i went home.
on my next trip a girl who had been friends with my GF asked to talk to me with a translator, so we went to a service so i would be certain the translation was unbiased and accurate. turns out the "brother" was her husband, right HUSBAND, and the entire family, all their friends and even the people at the temple had all conspired to help get me to foot the entire bill. the translator told me the story was undoubtedly true because this girl was pissed off that she was not invited to enjoy the money i was sending every week. and, the motorcycle her husband was riding, was bought and paid for with my money. CAN YOU SPELL KARMA?!.
SO MY LESSON IS THIS, BE CAREFUL, DO NOT ALWAYS BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE AND HEAR, AND JUST TAKE YOUR TIME AND BEWARE OF ANY REQUEST THAT MAY SEEM OUTLANDISH. most people who run personals website will always have a little tutorial on how things work in international/inter-cultural relationships, and they all agree and advise that a genuine person who is really in love will rarely ask for money or assistance of any kind. think about it.
i will also add that years later i met a girl who was a go-go dancer, we feel in love and we got married and she never lied, cheated or stole from me. we did constantly argue about her mother always asking for money, and other things led to our separation, but she still calls weekly (today in fact) and she also told me that she now understands that her mother was way off-base and simply using her to get money from me, or anyone else.
AGAIN, NOT ALL FAMILIES ARE LIKE THIS, BUT THE ONES THAT KNOW THEIR CHILDREN ARE SEX WORKERS AND DO NOT CARE, HAVE SEEMED TO BUY INTO THE PROCESS AND WANT THEIR FEE TOO.
here is a book about Patpong that tells it all. written by a Thai professional who grew up on Patpong road, his father used to take him bar hopping there before he could walk.. this is the Thai retrospective of what we are discussing now. and GG or TS, it is all basically the same theme.
http://www.dcothai.com/images/produc...ng-road-01.jpg
http://www.dcothai.com/product_info.php?products_id=533
the story i related above, about the Italian divorcee, is from this book which i know is fact, i met the guy in Phuket as his restaurant and talked to him about it. he wants everyone to be aware. we actually were commiserating with each other.
as far as going about your daily business with a LB on your arm, that is totally up to each person, but i know many guys are shy about this, or do not wish to be outed as homosexual/bi, or are married and wish to be discreet about cheating on their families. fact of life.
but, this is all just my opinion...
My advice is go up top, have fun and don't bother with the long protracted BS that these pricks are waffling on about. They are just bigging themselves up for the thread.
It is less dangerous than my home city, just go there a few times and you will soon learn the road rules.
I'm heading back up that way soon, and will be disregarding the BS advice of these clowns above.
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as i have said, my contributions are only my opinions and my experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wombat
FURTHER, NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO READ THEM. JUST IGNORE THEM AT WILL. RELAX.
and my experience has shown me that yes it is usually safe, most always fun and always an experience.
but to anyone who has not traveled before, or traveled in SE Asia, they need to be aware. NOT AFRAID.
how many visitors never make it to a few visits? hmm ... possibility ...Quote:
It is less dangerous than my home city, just go there a few times and you will soon learn the road rules.
on the surface it all seems benign, but the reality, is it is not. so why not try to help someone and offer some advice that is based on experience.
here is an article from TODAYs news, read the thread and see what all the expats who live here have to say about this crime, and how it is bing handled by the police and the press.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index....owtopic=162215
and here are many more:
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showforum=18
fact is, someone is murdered in Patpong every month and it never makes the news. some victims are Thai and some are Farang. FACT.
FACT - 250+ motorcycles are stolen in Chon Buri Provence (Pattaya) every month. many are rentals, and tourists suffer for that by having to pay for the bike in full as insurance is not offered. another sure way to ruin your good time. FACT - it happened to me and even the tourist police could not help, knowing full well who stole the bike. Cost me 1,500 USD.
anyone who lives here knows the reality. i was a tourist for a few years before my move and even then, i was naive to the reality on the ground.
similar to advising someone to wear a condom, it only makes sense to give them a heads up on other matters as well.
too many naive and friendly people succumb to the "kid in the candy store" - anything goes mentality when first experiencing these places. what is the harm in helping to sort it all out?
if i was the pompous spoutingyou insinuate that i am, i would not be spending the time it takes to write these posts and i would be writing lurid tales of nights on the town.Quote:
prick
fact is, many folks are not as worldly as others and they naively walk into other countries not knowing the full score.
sure, other places are more dangerous, but this sure as hell is not some utopia where you can walk around with your head in the clouds. this flesh trade, as anywhere else, despite being very user friendly is controlled by the mafia, the police and the "powers that be". typically they are not friendly,. nor are they harmless.
just last night in Cascade Bar i was chatting with a LB friend who was expressing to me that she is ashamed at how many LBs resort to drugging and stealing. she feels ashamed of that and also dislikes when she is lumped into this bunch with those who do perpetrate these crimes.
it is not my intention to discourage tourism, nor defame Thailand in any way, IT IS MY HOME. but i would like to be able to make sure that people have as much uninterrupted fun as they can have, and at the least expense and wear and tear.
but, this is only my opinion.................
mmmmmmm vurrry nice.....amsterdam memories
$$$
not always. but look at this way...if it seems too good to be true...it is. and that is worldwide. :)
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it is now high-season in Thailand and as always the highway police are setting road blocks all over the island to help make their quota of tickets and fines.
Paton Beach is one of their favorite places to do this. the location i am referring to is at the bottom of the hill that leads to Karon Beach and the Safari Night Disco area. (also on the other side of the hill as you enter/leave Karon Beach.)
despite what motorcycle rental agents will tell you ASK FOR A HELMET and WEAR IT. even if yo do not care about your own safety, put it on when approaching these ares. (also on the downside of the hill from Patong to Kata)
you will be asked for three documents, ALWAYS have them:
- 1. your drivers license (doesn't have to be an International one)
2. the rental agreement signed by all parties
3. your passport or a copy (full color is best)
if you are missing any of these FINE.
always be polite, always show respect, never plead ignorance and be patient. when handing the officer your documents wai the gentleman. that is the Thai custom of putting your palms together, raising them to about the level of your mouth, and bowing your head ever so slightly. they are not singling out tourist, locals get this treatment too. the revenue from this is massive, and it does not go to the government, it goes to the cops on the beat, all the way up the chain of command.
if this does not solve your situation, and you are still asked to pay a fine, ask for a ticket. this really screws with their heads because if a ticket is issued you must go to the police station (only 5 minutes away) and pay there. this is usually a way to discourage them, they hate writing the ticket. if not, it will most certainly be cheaper or the officer will negotiate a smaller "fine:. typically, it is 300 baht. the cost of one day's rental.
the police station is located on Soi Nam Yen on the Western side of town, across form the Patong Police Station. the last time i forgot my license i did this, went to the police station and all the cops were just sitting there watching the TV. they were stunned that someone was there, and it all took 5 minutes. and the local government gets the money for infrastructure which is badly needed.
also, when renting a bike if you have a camera or phone that takes pictures, take pix of the bike (or car/jeep) that show its condition. and if there are any marks or damages tell the agent to make note of it on the rental agreement. this too is a major scam that will cost you money if you do not cover your butt.
check the brakes, the lights, everything. make note of the gas levels too and ask what the policy is for returning the bike as far as the gas goes. many agents will do what they can to keep your deposit. further, you will see these little roadside huts that sell gas from drums or old whiskey bottles. most of the time the gas is OK quality (at times it is not) but it is double the price of a full-blown gas station. try to fill the bike during the day at a "real" station so you are not force to use these smaller stations at night.
always lock the bike and secure the helmet too. beware of where you park the bike, no need to come out and find it chained in the street, more fines. do not assume that others have already chosen to park there, the police will ticket them all, more dosh for them and less time and money for you.
never give them your passport, make a nice color copy of it before you go to rent the bike. when they ask for the real one, tell them it is at your embassy being renewed because it got damaged in the laundry. works 99% of the time. if not go to another and they will. you do not want to have an altercation with an agent who holds your passport. it is the same as them holding onto your balls.
on Phuket be aware of TUK-TUKs and in Pattaya be aware of Song-taos. these are the local transports that are cheap and everywhere. they are the mafia and they control the street. never argue with them, they are known to get violent when they assume you are insulting them. FACT!
always ask the price before boarding and confirm it.
this is not only happening in Thailand. i come from a resort town back home and this kind of stuff happens during high season there too in regard to certain services.
there are average of 2 road fatalities a day and upwards of 30 to 40 non-fatal, but f*ck-you-up, accidents a day on the island of Phuket and Samui and Pattaya are similar. it is the number one accident in the country. granted the hospitals have gotten good at patching you up, but why suffer that? usually it is drunk driving a vehicle they are unfamiliar with (typically a huge racing bike that they have no idea how to operate, and sand on the road)and no concern for others. do not assume that the locals follow the same set of driving rules as you do and remember you are most likely on the opposite side of the road form where you are used to driving. this takes a bit of getting used to, especially in a round-about.
FACT: on my last trip to Phuket i had to help get a couple from Malaysia out of a concrete ditch they were driven into by a local in a pick-up truck passing on a blind curve going down a hill. i arrived about 15 seconds after it happened (i drove them to the hospital) the ditch is a meter deep and concrete. when this beautiful Chinese girl was picked up from the ditch she looked OK until she turned around. her entire left side from ankle to forehead was simply abraded off. she will carry these scars for the rest of her life. what a way to have a honeymoon.
again, this information is to coach you, not deter you. you can lots of fun, just keep your wits about you and stay a tad sober.
but, this is only my opinion.................
A divorce with a Thai-woman gets a great problem for a farang mostly. There I know some guys too which had lost there house in Thailand and more. In Phuket Town there I know a story too that after 12 years the farang lost his whole real estate which was a more then expensive one. For this it would be better if a foreign person buy a condo only which you not losing after a divorce. (If the documents are signed with your name)Quote:
Originally Posted by bkkldby
Only a little note: I think a divorce gets often not easier in the Western world.
A mamasan first have to look about his bar working, and like everywhere there are different persons. But often it is the best if you come into a bar (like for example Cascades or Obesessions) and so many girls come and want taking you that you then ask for the mamasan. And this person can you explain which girl you like to speak. And you not have to defence all this girls around you the whole time.
With one mamsan of the Nana Plaza there I have good experiences always, but we know us since some years.
And it`s completely correct that this means that this not happens always.
I had done the same thing for sending her money (and not less) and she could stop working. And there happen a familiar problem too where the family needs more money. But this was not a lie only from the family which often happen in LOS. I had seen with my own eyes which hard problem they had.
But I have to agree with your words for that this happen so often to a farang.
Yes, it totally up to each person how he like to handle the public situation with a LB. But I never had any problems with them, I have a great understanding for there transition and accept and treat them as a normal person. And my friends at home knowing about this.
Or never have the feeling of being bi, the most LBs are more feminine then every GG.
And I had the same experience like Wombat:
"It is less dangerous than my home city, just go there a few times and you will soon learn the road rules."
But bkkldby it´s great that you explain others what can happen. :wink:
I think that this is the same Aum like in your pics.
Although I don't foresee any trips to Thailand in my near future, the information and detail given here in this thread is fantastic. Great job BKKLDBY & KT.
my apologies, the images from this post have been removed as a courtesy, and in response, to the model's request. In the future I will no longer post images of Thais.
i just got back from Cascade and I figured i would help clarify this Aum matter, see attached pic.
BTW - Katoey-Thaiger - Aum 28 said she thinks she knows who you are from our discussion and she says hi, and thanks. :claps
Thanks bkkldbyQuote:
Originally Posted by bkkldby
Here some older pics from girls of a other bar in Nana Plaza.
The Casanova Bar, but the most of this girls didn`t work there anymore, like Taleshia which is in the Swiss now. The last I know is that Pang is still there.
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[quote="Katoey-Thaiger"]no problem, anytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by bkkldby
good pics from Casanova, and you're right, most of these girls are "women" now, moved on to" greener pastures" so to speak.
Some more from BKK
once again from BKK
And not forget here the real
STREET ACTION THAILAND
From September 19, 2006 were Thailand's army general ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra in a military coup.
some more real STREET ACTION in the streets of Bangkok
from September 2006
Playboy Hotel
Soi 3
Nana District, BKK
if there are no rooms here go next door to the Penthouse Hotel
or vs. vs.
same/same - but different
hard to book in advance.
soi 3 is one way so the driver will go to soi 11 and swing around,
so don't freak out, he is not ripping you off.
when you are ready to leave there are motorcycle taxi dudes out front,
20 baht to Nana Plaza or Nana BTS Station.
if you walk back, there are some great Arabic restaurants and food stalls along the way.
see picture below.
my apologies, the images from this post have been removed as a courtesy, and in response, to the model's request. In the future I will no longer post images of Thais. this image does not show a face so no problem.
2nd floor room at PB Hotel.
clean, cheap, good location, everyone knows where it is, THAI foods OK too.
one of many such places.
BKK
BKK
and some peaceful one of the military coup from September 2006 on the streets of Bangkok
More Guess Girls...
http://www.hungangels.com/board/view...700&highlight=
Here are (most) of the new Guess Bar staff taken this week
everyone needs money when they travel and the exchange rates are important, especially now that the Thai Baht is kicking the USD's *ss, today it is the strongest it has been in 10 years. (omitted political statement about US economy goes here.)
if it is only a few bucks, euros, yen, Ozzy, HK or SG dollars, etc no need to fret, but if you are planning on spending a few hundred or a few thousand it is suggested you convert it all at once and save.
Vasu on Sukhumvit, under the BTS station on the ODD side of the street is great for this.
always a few more points than a bank and they also are one of the few places you can convert it back to whatever you want, before going to the airport (the airport rates suck, coming and going. but always keep a few thousand Baht for the taxi, airport tax and food while hanging out in the departure lounge. BTW, do not attempt to say the name of this airport as it is spelled, no one will have a clue what you are referring to. it is pronounced Soo-WANA-Boom (+/-).
i suggest when you arrive at the airport, you change only enough to get you into town and to your hotel and then Vasu. if you arrive at night and plan on going out, still only change the minimum at the airport and change the rest in town. Soi 7 has a good Siam Commercial Bank exchange booth and the booth in the front of the Landmark Hotel is open until 10:00 pm. if you arrive late, then you will need enough until morning.
ALWAYS AVOID CHANGING IN A HOTEL, THE RATES ARE IN THE STRATOSPHERE.
keep your extra cash in your hotel in-room-safe (if there is one) or deposit box. when putting valuables into a safe box i always take a digital picture of it with my camera or phone. just a good back up.
also, make copies of your passport and visa stamp, in color, and carry them, not the passport. if you need it, or get checked, that will suffice. if they insist, you just go with them to your safe and get the original.
you are not at home, you may get checked and it is hassle free this way. many times it is the Taxi driver who they are checking and you get caught up in that crap. but also, many times they wil let him pass because you are in the car. 50/50, never know what will happen. plus, it always is a good thing to have copies, especially the entry visa. that way if you lose or wash your documents, you have a great copy to help you get them reinstated with less hassle. i also store these document scans in my email account, then they are always accessible anywhere.
have fun, travel safe, and be polite.
this post is an attempt to offer some good information on a few BKK businesses that may be of interest to punters who are in or near the Nana area for an extended holiday.
all of these businesses are known to me for years, they are stable, and none have ever done me wrong. however, each person must judge for themselves upon arrival and make their own choices, obviously.
i have also attached the business cards that I do have in order to make it easy for you once you do arrive and you hit the bricks.
1. not far from Nana is a shopping area that used to be known as the World Trade Center, it is now called Central World, good shopping, but then all of BKK is good for shopping. across the street from Central World, and a block or so up going towards Petchburi Rd. and into the Soi (street) another block or so (show someone the card for directions) is another money changer like Vasu. it is known as Super Rich. now be careful because there are with the same name. go to the one on the card. the other is a family member who chose to split from the rest of the family due to some argument about hope to conduct business. BRING YOUR PASSPORT, you may need it for the money exchange. this is if you are changing a lot of money at one time, otherwise, not worth all the traveling around.
2. J Travel. this is if you want to book travel arrangements, a tour or a rental or all of them together. the owner is Khun Raywadee, talk to her direct if you can. her English skills are great, and she has always gotten me the best deals. if you give her enough notice, a day or two, she can really do some research and get the best deal available. if you stay so long that you need to go on a visa run so you can stay longer in Thailand she can help book you a trip to SG or Penang. if you choose Penang see the next listing for info on a good visa agent there on Chulia Street. Most folks do not like Penang but it can become a necessary evil for visa runs. Raywadee is honest and good.
3. Parvez Book Store. actually their main business is getting your passport to the Royal Thai Consulate, getting the visa and getting it back to you. try to arrive in Penang before noon. Go straight to Parvez and fill out the form. if at all possible get you r pictures in BKK before you leave. most photo shops in BKK do these up in 20 minutes or less and they are about $2.50 USD/80 THB. if you wait until you get to Penang, you will have unwanted delays. this experience is a 2 day affair. Parvez will get you your passport back by noon or so the next day, enough time to make the ferry to the train, or catch the afternoon flight to BKK. it is also possible, depending on your budget, to go to SG, on Air Asia, and do the entire thing in a day if all you need is a visa on entry. then it is just a trip there, turn around and come back in one day, but that is more expensive. for more info on visa runs, go to Thai VisaForum.com (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php? ) and look around. it is the bible on this stuff.
4. if you want to have some very nice hand tailored clothes or suits made, New Landmark Boutique is a sure bet. It is a father son shop, Lucky is the son (he is in charge) and Alan is the dad, he lets Lucky do as he pleases. everything i ever bought from them has garnered praise from those who see me wearing it. they make anything, for anything climate. if you go there when you have a few days to let them cut your cloth, they will insist on at least 3, if not 5, to make it all perfect. if you rush them, it is still ok, but more like a suit of the rack. further they will not show you one fabric and then you as inferior one like many BKK tailors do. the best thing is they are on the corner of Soi Nana about 50 meters form the plaza. he is so reputable that he flies to Europe a few times a year to see his customers and fit them for additional garments. this is a rarity amongst BKK tailors. WARNING: these guys really know how to up-sell, so watch your budget and do not let them talk you into too many things if you cannot afford them or do not want them. i know guys who go in for a shirt or two and come out with 2 suits, an overcoat and half dozen shirts. LOL all nice, but not what they intended to do.
5. Sherazade Egyptian Restaurant. (no business card, sorry) Sukhumvit Soi 3/1. Go into the soi and pass one alley on the left and they will be on the left before you pass the second alley. This could possibly be one of the best restaurants in the world. you read that correctly, IN THE WORLD. if you like Arabic food they are open 21 hours a day from 8:00 am to 05: am. They serve Egyptian, Indian, Pakistani and Thai foods. ALL OF IT IS GOOD! Not as cheap as some, but by no means is it expensive by BKK standards and it is cheap by world standards. THEY ARE MUSLIMS AND THERE IS NO BOOZE SOLD OR BROUGHT ONTO THE PREMEISSES. I have never seen this place empty, never, and that is uncommon in most cities around the world. if you go very late, after the bars close, the place will be teeming with Arabs socializing. that is an education in itself. it may be hard to get a Thai person to go with you, as they usually abhor Arabic cuisine, but the Thai food is as good as anywhere and they can order that.
I suggest the hummus, babaganoush, lentil soup (it is enough for 2), anything Tika style, for salad order the Fatoosh and any grilled items like lamb pieces or mixed grill. for Indian food I suggest the rice dishes, Birahni or Palao with chicken, lamb or shrimp. i prefer the whole wheat Chapattis for bread, but their garlic or butter Nan breads are great. End the meal (if it is not Ramadan) with a Turkish coffee, sweet. let the coffee sit for 5 minutes before you drink as the coffee grounds are in the cup and need to settle. no hot beverages are served during Ramadan. for desert have the milk custard with ground almond topping, i always have two myself.
Do not be afraid to go to this street because it is Arabic. They will welcome you with open arms. Just be polite, do not bring booze into the street and behave like you were a guest anywhere. most of these Arabs are there to get away and have a good time like you are doing. no one has time for the world’s b*llshit or politics on this street, it is a pace to eat and relax. If you are a smoker you can stop off in a sidewalk place and smoke a true hookah for a few baht a toke. this is not dope; it is dried fruit and other stuff. but it will give you a buzz if you really pull on it. many Thai girls (GG) are seen here smoking for hours, as well in Pattaya‘s Arab sector.
6. Suda Thai Restaurant, Sukhumvit Soi 14. Walk into the soi and it is right in front of you. open air with big fans. if you go at noon time you will not get a seat as all the local Thai business people are there eating their rice. that is a good sign of quality. they are also one of the only places listed in the Lonely Planet Guide. it is packed all the time except mid-afternoon. Service is slow because there is basically only one chef with a one burner stove. It is the same guy for over 15 years that I know of the place. If it is busy, he will wait until he has several orders for the same thing and then make them all at once. He will not prepare you r meal in total, or anyone else’s. it is well worth the wait and the dis-jointed service. most of the wait-trons are y high school girls who live and work there to pay for their schooling. They are not pros, they are school girls. Be patient, it is worth it. It is not True Thai, it is Thai – Chinese. NOT THE SAME.
suggested dishes: chicken cashew, it is in a red curry sauce like you have never seen. this is a signature dish for them and it is not like anywhere else. baby clams in chili paste. chicken in toei leaves. yum pla mook, warm squid salad. yum nua, grilled steak salad. the wet dishes like tom yum kung, piquant shrimp soup or tom khaa gai, chicken and mushrooms in coconut milk are both superb. the menu is as long as Mint’s you know what, so be prepared to eat if that is what you want.
being a Buddhist owned establishment there is no problem for booze here. big tall bottles of cold Singha or Heineken beer or flasks of Thai whiskey are cheap and awesome. They close/stop taking orders around 10:00 pm. I suggest afternoon about 2 or 3 pm. Faster service, and no crowd. It is hot though, but then again it is BKK. Suda’s is moderately priced, and well worth the dosh for a nosh.
7. further down Sukhumvit, about 10 minutes by taxi, maybe 50 or 60 THB from Nana, at the mouth of Soi Thonglor (Sukhumvit 55, there is a BTS Station there) is also great for street vendors, some of the best in the downtown area. walk around; both sides of the street, use the BTS cross over, do not go into the traffic unless you want to go home in a box!) mid day to early morning. the vendors change throughout the day. this is where locals and working girls go after partying. small dishes and cheap. this is the real Thai food at its best. Thonglor is a very upscale street and all the vendors cater to the nuevo riche who live there. try the khow maan gai, chicken with rice that is cooked with the chicken broth and fat. a very small portion but awesome, order two if you want more. also, khow kaa moo, braised pork knuckle in anise sauce, Chinese style. lots of cholesterol means lots of flavor for this item.
8. if you want to experience a real Thai neighborhood late at night go even further to Phrakanong, also a BTS station there, Sukhumvit Soi 71. into the soi about 2 blocks, starting at Pridi 3 (Pree-dee Sam for the taxi) is a 2 block area that is just packed out with street food. this is all true Thai and all awesome. i know girls who live in other neighborhoods who go here after work just to get food to take home. the neighborhood is predominantly lower-middle class and that means lots of service/bar workers late at night on their way home. it is all here, all of it. walk up and down the block first, see what looks good. order by pointing and have the best Thai food of your life.
punters tend to stay in the Nana area after bar hopping because it is close by and they do not know where to go. Phrakanong is not that far, maybe 60 or 70 THB by taxi and it is fantastic and also a great photo-op too.
if you are not one to eat very spicy food tell them you want it mai-phet, not hot. if you want authentic Thai, and you are asked about the heat factor, say ahan tamada, regular food. You really do not want to tell a Thai chef to make it hot, unless you have a death wish. if you are a vegetarian the term is hahan jay, hahan is food. now the Thai idea of vegetarian is not the same as it is in other places, it never is the same anywhere. When you tell a Thai chef ahan jay, he will not only leave out the flesh, but also the chili and garlic, these are considered stimulants and vegetarianism is associated with religious practice, not diet per se. so if you want those you better start taking Thai language lessons. LOL
these are all street stalls and across from the Pridi 3 and Pridi 5 area is a soi called Soi Sangthip. Another great place but these are open air shop house restaurants. Most are good, this is a bedroom community for Thais, they demand good food, and it is their life’s blood.
as you enter Soi Sangthip on your immediate left, just past the fruit vendor and the mini-mart is a woman who sells hoy tord, a classic Thai dish that is not easy to make and is always a family secret handed down through the ages. it is a grilled oyster and mussel “omelet”, no eggs, it is taro flower batter. fresh, crispy and out of this world, i usually eat 2. If she is busy she may rush the process and not get it really crisp for u, she figures you do not know better, so tell her when you order you want if “grob-maak”, extra crispy, or suk-suk, well done. It is topped with fresh bean sprouts and comes with a side of Sauce Sri Racha, Thai tobacco.
if you walk well into the soi you will come to the Green Garden Restaurant (see business card below). It is an air conditioned house, uncommon. the chef is a young guy form the Chiang Mai hotel sector. He is an incredible chef who is obsessed with fresh and tasty; he is truly a slave to his craft. his girlfriend/wife, used to be a hotel waitress, she takes care of your order. they open at 5 or 6 pm and stay open until very late. he is also obsessed with metal rick and he plays the Scorpions all night long on the video. everyone tolerates the metal for the food. his cashew chicken is also great, but traditional in style. all his seafood is right off the boat and of course, true to the name, the vegetables are everywhere here. his soups are good and his whole fish dishes are fantastic, either deep-fried with sweet chili sauce or steamed with garlic and chili are what i go for.
it is small, maybe 8 tales, and younger couples meet there for a long eat and drink, his tables turn over slowly for a reason, no one want s to leave the metal or the soup.
Soi Sangthip has one place that I go to for one dish only, kana moo grob. this is known to Americans as Chinese broccoli with crispy pork. It is the pork belly that has been air-dried and then deep-fried to put an incredibly crunchy crust on it. they stir-fry the kana and sauce first and then simply toss the pork chunks into the dish art the last second and turn off the heat, this leave the pork glistening in sauce, yet delightfully crunchy. this has a bit of fresh chili so be warned. the best place for that on Sangthip is on the right going in about 4 or 5 shops, right next door to the open air donut and bakery shop. good banana bread there i might add. you will see the guy in the street cooking. he will be hunch over and twitching like crazy as he goes about his task. He is another crazy chef possessed by his cuisine. he and his wife can appear to be rude they are just overworked and as fired as the pork is. they are open in the afternoons and early evenings and they are very cheap on pricing. his cashew chicken isn’t too bad, but there are others I prefer more.
NOTE: his steamed rice is way above par. he spares no cost, apparently, for the raw product, many do not. Rice is the vehicle for all the other food so this is important. It is akin to not having good dough for pizza or good bread for a sandwich. rice is life and this guy knows it.
also, I must mention another shop house eatery that is an afternoon and evening place. it is back across the street in Pridi 3, about 50 meters in from Soi 71, the second (i believe) restaurant in from the corner. look for an awning with a fan in it that is just covered in grease, don’t let that deter you, the food is safe and the food is great. husband and wife, open for lunch through dinner time, about 9 pm. He makes a variety of cashew chicken that is also uncommon. each item is first fried separately and then they are combined in the sauce; a lot of vegetables that you would not tend to see in a cashew chicken. his kana moo gob is excellent as is his clams in chili sauce with Thai basil. His soups are fantastic. another local place packed out at lunch and dinner time. many Thai policemen and businessmen and delivery guys hag here in mid-afternoon; hiding from work, drinking way too much, and eating continuously.
this guy is the kind of chef who appears to be exerting no effort or expending any energy. he just goes about his chores with a totally peaceful mind, like a Zen master. this positive energy of his goes into the food, and that is what makes it so great. he too is also a perfectionist, and he makes it all look so easy. if you have a free afternoon, not lunch time, take the BTS to Phrakanong station, and walk 5 minutes to this place. just ask for directions to Pridi 3. It is a left at the Family Mart, a right at the first corner just past the snooker hall, and about 100 meters towards Soi 71 on the left.
in closing i would just like to say that i have been eating on the street here for 18 years and I have only gotten food poisoning once and that was a stupid move on my part. It was a Wednesday and that used to be the day that vendors were ALL off the streets, it was their day off and the day the city cleans up the sidewalks. i stopped at a cart that was only there for the day, the food was sitting around in the heat, and as i said, i should have known better.
i suggest if you like to eat a lot when you travel, get the Lonely Planet Thai food book. It has a great section for pointing to Thai words and English translations. believe me, the locals are used to our antics and they just laugh and carry on, but you get what you want.
also, if you are reading a menu and you ask a the server a question, and their English is poor or non-existent, they will think you are ordering and whether you like it or not, it will probably be served to you and they won’t take it back. i will leave you now with this crazy story of an Aussie guy who asked a lot about the menu and was then served 8 dishes and he was alone; no one stopped to think he would probably not eat it all himself.
more good BKK businesses.
i forgot to mention above that BKK is good for dental, see card below.
cheap, painless and very professional.
map to dentist
just in case your lady's so hard you break a tooth on her bone. :)
(just a friendly joke. i couldn't resist).
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Originally Posted by Katoey-Thaiger
good pix and not too much flash burn out or red eye.
and, are not some of these GG?
if not, amazing lookers one and all.