Is Tgirl a better word - and should that become the norm?

I bet she will not ignore the people she wants to bully.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Funny. A few pages back you were demanding empirical evidence. Once a hypocrite, always a hypocrite.



Biological, legal, and social permanence in the changes of one's gender expression as well as a loss of male privilege. A 'part-timer' has none of those.



Pretty sure I just did. The name calling is unnecessary, especially considering that it's my LACK of cowardice and propensity for saying whatever I'm thinking sans filter that always seems to get me into trouble.

Ironic, much?

YOU'RE the coward. You're afraid to give up your male life to transition, but yet you still demand the same treatment and respect as a woman that a transsexual receives. That's kind of like saying, 'I took a few courses in college, so I deserve the respect that a PhD receives.' Well, you don't. Such respect is EARNED, not given willy nilly.

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You answered nothing.

Your "answers" are so vague as to be used to describe a butch lesbian as being "Transsexual". Or, a gay male who is very effeminate and openly so.

She (the butch female) biologically (I don't think that word means what you think it does) may appear male. She legally may have a name like "Alex" - gender neutral. She may permanently change her "gender expression" and doesn't have any "male privilege". She still isn't "Transsexual"... she is a lesbian woman.

He (the effeminate gay male) may biologically appear as gender neutral (see Aubrey Kate's young years?), may again, have a gender neutral name like "Chris", and may be so effeminate that his "male privilege" is effectively revoked. He is still not "Transsexual"... he is an effeminate gay man.

These people exist. I've worked with some and have a friend who is like the gay male example... so effeminate in appearance, manner, and dress (but altogether gay) but completely and wholly male... doesn't want to change at all (he complains all the time of being treated as a female so I know he has no "male privilege" to speak of. It is a joke among us all.

Bella, you have a complete lack of understanding of the very term you affect to "own".

I asked you to CLEARLY and PRECISELY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS individually.

You've responded with a dribble of terms and lumped all four questions into one answer when the are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS REQUIRING DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT ANSWERS.

I can only draw the conclusion that you are unwilling (cowardly) to give the answers as stated or you can't (hypocritical because you don't fully even understand or are able to define the term you claim as yours).

Nice try on the sidestep. Called to the carpet again. See a pattern here?

I did answer your question. If you don't like that answer, then that's too fucking bad. :geek:

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I did answer your question. If you don't like that answer, then that's too fucking bad. :geek:

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So you're sticking with your original answer? So the butch lesbian is Transsexual? The effeminate gay male is Transsexual?

Have you completely lost your mind to think that answer is sufficient?

You're so full of shit, Bella. This is actual, definitive proof-positive.

You were given the chance to put, in writing, your answers to four fundamental questions that must be answered for any person seriously interested in a "Transsexual" discussion... and you FAILED EPICALLY. You gave an answer so stupidly vague that you may as well said, "Transsexuals are people with feet, and oh yeah, they maybe think they may be in the wrong body."

You can't, or won't even accurately define the term "Transsexual". Without that, you invalidate yourself and ALL subsequent arguments since we don't know what the hell you're talking about (not really anything new there though, I suppose). You can change it at will to fit the point you're trying to argue. That is complete and utter BULLSHIT. Period.

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So you're sticking with your original answer? So the butch lesbian is Transsexual? The effeminate gay male is Transsexual?

Have you completely lost your mind to think that answer is sufficient?

You're so full of shit, Bella. This is actual, definitive proof-positive.

You were given the chance to put, in writing, your answers to four fundamental questions that must be answered for any person seriously interested in a "Transsexual" discussion... and you FAILED EPICALLY. You gave an answer so stupidly vague that you may as well said, "Transsexuals are people with feet, and oh yeah, they maybe think they may be in the wrong body."

You can't, or won't even accurately define the term "Transsexual". Without that, you invalidate yourself and ALL subsequent arguments since we don't know what the hell you're talking about (not really anything new there though, I suppose). You can change it at will to fit the point you're trying to argue. That is complete and utter BULLSHIT. Period.

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I'm not engaging. You've made this argument such a convoluted cluster-fuck that I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. You ask me a question. I answer it and ask you a question. You tell me you're not satisfied with my answer - actually no, you claim I didn't answer your question at ALL when in fact I did - and then you don't even bother to answer my question.

This isn't a debate or even a conversation. At this point your argument has devolved into you yelling at me like a crazy cat lady.

A CD is not a TS. Period. If you don't know the difference and need me to explain it to you, then I'm sorry for you, but I'm done. My views on most of these topics can be found at BellaBellucci.com and my Facebook page anyway. Go read them. Educate yourself.

Peace ouuuut!!! *drops mic* <3

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I'm not engaging. You've made this argument such a convoluted cluster-fuck that I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. You ask me a question. I answer it and ask you a question. You tell me you're not satisfied with my answer - actually no, you claim I didn't answer your question at ALL when in fact I did - and then you don't even bother to answer my question.

This isn't a debate or even a conversation. At this point your argument has devolved into you yelling at me like a crazy cat lady.

A CD is not a TS. Period. If you don't know the difference and need me to explain it to you, then I'm sorry for you, but I'm done. My views on most of these topics can be found at BellaBellucci.com and my Facebook page anyway. Go read them. Educate yourself.

Peace ouuuut!!! *drops mic* <3

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So, let's just imagine this... If TOMORROW, I line up with your so-called definition of "Transsexual" - you'll suddenly welcome me with open arms and I will be part of this "sisterhood" that you espouse to champion?

Let's just all cut the BS and say once and for all - that will NEVER happen. There is NOTHING I could possibly say or do at this point that would EVER get you to admit that I'm Transsexual even if I were to line up completely with your own stated definition (which you have now twice foregone altering or clarifying).

Do you know why that is?

Because you're a BIGOT. That is the very definition of BIGOTRY. You put people into a box and think less of them because of a label you have placed upon them. Wake up to that fact, Bella. Address that fact, Bella. Come to terms with your own bigotry, Bella. Educate yourself about that, Bella.

*picks mic up off floor and dusts it off because I'm not afraid of discussion and thus will never drop a microphone on the floor and stompy-feet off*

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then I'm sorry for you, but I'm done.

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You're done because you have nothing to say.

You failed epically when given the chance to define a term you think you know something about. You failed to address the criticism that your definition is so vague that it allows for people who wouldn't even profess themselves to be Transsexual.

You failed. You're a fraud. You're a hypocrite. That is why you're done. You're fond of quotes... here is one for you:

"You've been weight, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting." - From A Knight's Tale

Tgirl works for me and for the transsexual girls I know - simple, unambiguous, non-threatening. Tranny just has too many negative connotations to be generally acceptable, shemale likewise.

After reading this long conversation, i think we should stick to Tranny and shemale.

Gawd, but this constant bickering between trannies is tedious (lol)