The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

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Originally Posted by notdrunk

Looks like he wanted to kill somebody. He probably stole it from a family member similar to what happened at the Red Lake reservation.

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My point exactly. In a society without such casual access to firearms, the chances of it happening are hugely reduced. It simply doesn't happen here in the UK.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Wowww......Alex Jones is seriously scarey - and I suspect he has his followers here. He broadcasts to millions, god help us. Little children die, but these nutjobs insist they've the right to own military style guns Jones is unhinged and his bellicosity is truly frightening.

I have just spent nearly a month in the US and it terrifying to see the level of violent hatred and ignorance levelled by the gun lobby against anyone who dares to suggest that there be any further restrictions on guns.

AI remained convinced, as i was on the day of the Sandy Hook slaughter that there will be no successful move to limit this madness. The NRA is too powerful - and the new Congress will blockl all and any attempts to dent this growing madness.

The next big shooting - thirty, forty, fifty deaths?. No chance of change following that either.

The second amendment calls for the right of a "well regulated militia" to have guns - not every ordinary man and woman on the street.

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Alex Jones proudly proclaims that he has a personal arsenal of more then 50 guns, including assault and semi-automatic weapons. There's the argument for gun control right there. He's visibly unhinged, yet Texas (and it would have to be good ol' Tejas), is quite happy to allow him to amass enough weaponry to start his own war.

For fucks sake America.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

My point exactly. In a society without such casual access to firearms, the chances of it happening are hugely reduced. It simply doesn't happen here in the UK.

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Do you remember the Cumbria shootings in 2010? So, it does happen in your country. The history and demographics between our countries are different; therefore, it foolish to compare the two.

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Originally Posted by notdrunk

Do you remember the Cumbria shootings in 2010? So, it does happen in your country. The history and demographics between our countries are different; therefore, it foolish to compare the two.

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Of course I do. My point is that since the Dunblane horror in 1996 when firearm controls were tightened up there has been no repetition of shootings on school premises.

And I also accept that the differences between our countries in regard to gun ownership are huge. However, please take on board that the last time there was a school shooting here, the government responded, with public support, by removing handgun possession from homes and permitting their use only on licensed gun club premises where all weapons are locked in secure safes when not in use.

When there is a multiple shooting here, we do something constructive to make sure it doesn't happen again. You guys do fuck all and then seem surprised when it happens again, and again, and again, and again.....

No further comment required.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Of course I do. My point is that since the Dunblane horror in 1996 when firearm controls were tightened up there has been no repetition of shootings on school premises.

And I also accept that the differences between our countries in regard to gun ownership are huge. However, please take on board that the last time there was a school shooting here, the government responded, with public support, by removing handgun possession from homes and permitting their use only on licensed gun club premises where all weapons are locked in secure safes when not in use.

When there is a multiple shooting here, we do something constructive to make sure it doesn't happen again. You guys do fuck all and then seem surprised when it happens again, and again, and again, and again.....

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The problem with your country's constructive reactions is that it would be considered illegal under our Constitution. Furthermore, the reaction to banning private ownership wouldn't be pleasant. Additionally, it would be impracticable because there are 100s of millions of firearms in the US. Good luck in finding all those guns.

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Originally Posted by notdrunk

The problem with your country's constructive reactions is that it would be considered illegal under our Constitution. Furthermore, the reaction to banning private ownership wouldn't be pleasant. Additionally, it would be impracticable because there are 100s of millions of firearms in the US. Good luck in finding all those guns.

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I agree with every point you make. However, the choice in the USA in terms of taking the smallest practical step to place a degree of control on firearms ownership or use lies between strident and hysterical defence of the status quo by the gun lobby and helpless fatalistic handwringing on the other.

The result is that nothing changes, which means that the gun lobby wins every time. And the killings continue.

As I said before, for fucks sake America.

And still no one can provide a reason not to tighten firearm regulation other than "some two hundred year old men living under entirely different circumstances with entirely different weapons technology gave me the right to carry firearms they never heard of."

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Originally Posted by trish

And still no one can provide a reason not to tighten firearm regulation other than "some two hundred year old men living under entirely different circumstances with entirely different weapons technology gave me the right to carry firearms they never heard of."

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Quite. Where's Jonathan Swift when you need him?

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Originally Posted by notdrunk

The problem with your country's constructive reactions is that it would be considered illegal under our Constitution. Furthermore, the reaction to banning private ownership wouldn't be pleasant. Additionally, it would be impracticable because there are 100s of millions of firearms in the US. Good luck in finding all those guns.

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The Constitution is a barricade standing in the way of a sensible policy on gun control without doubt. And certainly the reaction from certain segments of the public would be hostile. But if it could be done the result would be fewer needless deaths and a very minor curtailment of liberty.

Very sad that these weapons are so important to some people. I've often wondered what must be missing in someone's life that they witness a tragic event and immediately fear that their lethal toys will be confiscated. There's a whole world out there. Get a hobby. Play golf. Play baseball. Play tennis. Build RC cars.

Why do we have to live in a country where people feel pressure to carry a gun because someone else might have one. Where we worry about open carry versus concealed carry. Where you and your buddies compliment each other on your "sidearms"; like "hey that's a nice sidearm. Next time someone cuts you off you should show it to them." It's freaking pathetic. Take your cool sidearms and shove em. Such pseudo-masculinity is a mental disease. Overgrown fucking children.