Anyone else find this F*ed Up

Many industries (National Academy of Engineering, Aircraft Builders Association, Air Medical Memorial, State Bar Associations) to mention a few, have memorial sites on the internet to remember & acknowledge individuals within their respective professions /industry for the contributions and involvement of the memorialized person.

The Grooby memorial is an industry memorial, an attempt to remember and acknowledge individuals who worked in and contributed to the TG/TS adult entertainment industry. Unlike other professions where individuals have usually been full time employees of various organizations and ones business life crosses over into ones personal life, the individuals in front of the camera in the adult industry are usually not employees (thus usually less knowledge about ones personal life off camera) and often go to great lengths to separate their professional on screen persona from their private off screen life. Under the circumstances, to incorporate too much information from an individuals private life in a memorial such as the one Grooby has set up would, in my opinion be crossing the line and very well be an insult to the desires and memory of the individual being memorialized.

As respects the photos used, everyone is entitled to their opinion as to their appropriateness and is a subject that can be debated ad nausium, without resolution.

The fact remains that Grooby made a decision to create a memorial site to acknowledge these individuals in a manner they believed to be respectful, and like other industry memorials, created with the expectation that the majority of visitors would be fans, industry friends and others in the adult entertainment industry.

However, as this thread has brought out, there is always room for improvement.

There are individuals who have been critical of the Grooby memorial site who have their own Transgendered oriented web sites. It will be interesting to see if any of these individuals, some of whom are also involved in the adult industry, are actually concerned enough about the memory of their fellow industry professionals to dedicate space on their sites to create a Memorial more in line to what they believe to be a respectful and appropriate tribute. Hopefully they will then provide a link so as to share their vision with the rest of us.

since its easier to make noise than to make a difference and easier to hurl bricks than build something with them, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

FK

+1 to LAGent and a tentative +1 to Felicia. I would like to see something good come out of this.

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Originally Posted by Star Angel 86

Exactly and a lot of times before getting into porn people warned,if you're worried about someone finding explicit images of yourself then this is not the business for you.It's like back in 70's where out actors would find themselves performing in X- Rated Movies in order to make ends meet.Back then the thinking was well these movies are only shown in the sleazy part of town in some raunchy theater.Low and behold the VCR,DVD & Internet surfaced.

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Even posthumously? Really? :roll:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by LAGent4ts

There are individuals who have been critical of the Grooby memorial site who have their own Transgendered oriented web sites. It will be interesting to see if any of these individuals, some of whom are also involved in the adult industry, are actually concerned enough about the memory of their fellow industry professionals to dedicate space on their sites to create a Memorial more in line to what they believe to be a respectful and appropriate tribute. Hopefully they will then provide a link so as to share their vision with the rest of us.

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Umm, yeah. I'm pretty sure we all know who you're talking about, so are you going to help me with that? I'm a one woman operation and I'm spread pretty thin. Not to mention that Total-TG is a social networking site that allows (and indeed depends on) members to create their own groups and announcements. Please feel free to have at it. ;)

Although, as a side note I do have a project in the works intended to celebrate the lives of transgendered women. With all of the recent developments, I'm going to bump up the schedule on that.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Even posthumously? Really? :roll:

~BB~

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Love or hate it their remembered as Adult Film Stars.
In other words if your ashamed of your adult past it can come back and haunt you.Even in death.

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Originally Posted by Star Angel 86

Love or hate it their remembered as Adult Film Stars.

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Like I said before: I agree, but it doesn't have to be in poor taste. That's all. Porn can celebrate the beauty of the whole woman or degrade them and I think in death, we all deserve the former.

Oh, and another thing, here's the blogroll for the site in question:

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Blogroll
Amy Daly TS Official Blog
Bob from Bob’s Tgirls Blog!
Damazo Blog
Grooby Steven
Japanese shemales
Shemale Inch
The Grooby Blog

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So, yeah, there's exploitation all the way to the end here. :geek:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by blckhaze

while i understand y u wouldnt want certain pics displayed, often many other pics arent supplied and/or available

frankly, if seachai and crew didnt network and post such news, itd just be swept under rugs all day.

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Painfully true. If the producers and the true friends of those lost didn't step up to memorialize them, it is a scant few that would fill the void otherwise.

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Originally Posted by FREEFALLL666

If a girl has retired and doesnt want to be known as a member of the Porn Comunity, then she should request her sets/videos be removed.

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They often do this and most, if not all, of the producers/content providers acquiesce to that request. For one, it's basic common decency, for another, it heads off later content feuds and lawsuits. Still, it's not a cure-all.

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

Unfortunately it's not that easy. Once they're online, they're there to stay...regardless if they're taken down from the originating source.

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See above. Even though a content provider, producer, or what-have-you, removes that content out of courtesy, common sense, or CYA basic business policy, that doesn't mean that muggledywump brazillion viewers haven't already saved, captured, or shared the content. Remember, it is that saved/shared content that the producers are fussing about now.

Nowhere is safe.

And I'm now thinking of those two pics from my misspent youth that I shared here. Christ! I'm fucked! :crazy

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Umm, yeah. I'm pretty sure we all know who you're talking about, so are you going to help me with that? I'm a one woman operation and I'm spread pretty thin. Not to mention that Total-TG is a social networking site that allows (and indeed depends on) members to create their own groups and announcements. Please feel free to have at it. ;)

Although, as a side note I do have a project in the works intended to celebrate the lives of transgendered women. With all of the recent developments, I'm going to bump up the schedule on that.

~BB~

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Bella, I'm more than happy to assist you.

And yes, I realize that you are a "one woman operation" and that your "spread pretty thin". However, in my opinion, I think this subject goes to the very "root" of the concerns you have commented about so many times in the past, the perception of Transgendered individuals. I believe this memorial discussion would be an opportunity for you to illustrate how something could be improved upon or made better for the good of your community which has been the theme of many of your past postings.

However, as far as your "having at it" comment, the implication being that I should undertake such a project, I disagree. While not perfect, I respect the effort made by Grooby to pay tribute to those that have passed who worked in the adult industry.
With all due respect, you are one of the individuals critical of the Memorial site, not me, so please, don't try to pass the buck! I did not know her, I am not in the industry and as such am not qualified to prepare such a memorial. In my opinion, for me to do so would be disrespectful.
I honestly think that something as timely and serious as this is, involving someone in the adult entertainment industry, who you knew ("This is the first time I've actually, personally known someone TS who's died. It's making me a little dizzy"*) would move you to take the opportunity to share your thoughts and perception, given your writing and computer skills not to mention your industry knowledge, about how to Properly and Respectfully memorialize and celebrate this young woman's life. As noted before, "there is always room for improvement."
As you stated in another thread, "Sure, I think it's noble profession, but lots of other people don't including some of the girls who do it. As I've said, a whole person died, not a porn star, and that should be memorialized accordingly."**
You're a smart woman Bella. You have the venue and the skills to correct a situation for someone you knew, who you believe has been memorialized in a manner not befitting them.
At the end of the day, I guess it all boils down to the strength of one's convictions, opinions and credibility which separate those that talk the talk and those that walk the walk.
"I didn't know Jezebel that well, but I did know that she suffered just as much as any transwoman, sometimes at the hands of other transsexuals. I just don't want that to be in vain. ~BB~ " **


My offer to assist you remains on the table. You know how to contact me.

*http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...4&postcount=17

**http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...9&postcount=94

PS: I'm sure I am not alone when I say I look forward to your project that will celebrate the lives of Transgendered women you have in progress.

LAGent, I'm not trying to pass the buck to you, but I am trying to ask for everyone's help. That's what Total-TG is all about - all of us working together against the multitude of issues we all face since, like I said, I can't do it all by myself.

I only knew Jezebel in passing, and she's the only girl I've ever known at all that has passed, so I get my information second-hand just as much as anyone else. That said, it makes a lot more sense to provide people a venue to express their ideas, concerns, memories, etc, without my leadership, so I've just created a new group on TTG called Transgender Memorials. It's an open group which means that, while I would like everyone to register for an account, it won't be necessary to have one in order to view it.

http://total-tg.com/pg/groups/6497/t...der-memorials/

May the fallen not rest in peace, but live on forever in our hearts and minds.

~BB~

PS: If anyone has any shots of Jezebel that are on the candid or more conservative side, please email them to bellabellucci@ymail.com. Thanks.