LOL that made me chuckle. As if going to church will your make the relative's bad karma go away lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by thx1138
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LOL that made me chuckle. As if going to church will your make the relative's bad karma go away lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by thx1138
The police report is interesting, because it rather transparently reeks so very much. (1) It admits the cop was doubly convinced that Gates was the homeowner even prior to asking for ID. (2) The fact the he "told Gates he'd given him his badge twice", when nowhere in the report does he say actually gave him his badge, so the cop was lying. (3) The fact that he walked outside because of acoustics is completely unbelievable. (4) The fact the he was threatening Gates with cuffs before arresting him.
Yeah, on balance now I assume that all cops are lying. I'm surprised that the official report makes it so incredibly self-evident.
My attitude (as I've expressed to friends today) is that I'm astonished that Gates went so far out of his way to be accomodating to the cop. Everyone agrees he provided multiple forms of ID. If I had a cop in my house, would I do that? NO WAY.
Everything I hear from lawyers is say nothing, nothing, nothing to a cop. Give (1) name, (2) address, (3) reason for being where you are (depending on state) and zero, zilch, nothing else. In Gates' situation I would have sat on the couch and said nothing, nothing, no ID or anything. I think Gates was TOO ACCOMODATING, if anything.
In counter to the police report, here's Gates' statement today. It makes a whole lot more sense than the self-contradictory police report. The guy walks with a cane. He has bronchitis from his trip so he can't physically yell:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/bre...s_to_be_d.html
Yeah, in cases like this it's pretty easy to assume that it's the cops who are lying. Seeing the police report in this case just double-reinforces it.Quote:
“The police report is full of this man’s broad imagination,” Gates said in response to a question on whether he had said any of the quotes in the report. “I said, ‘Are you not giving me your name and badge number because I’m a black man in America?’ . . . He treated my request with scorn. . . I was suffering from a bronchial infection. I couldn’t have yelled. . . I don’t walk around calling white people racist.”
Gates continued, “I’m outraged. I shouldn’t have been treated this way but it makes me so keenly aware of how many people every day experience abuses in the criminal justice system ... No citizen should tolerate that kind of poor behavior by an officer of the law. . . This is really about justice for the least amongst us.”
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My attitude (as I've expressed to friends today) is that I'm astonished that Gates went so far out of his way to be accomodating to the cop. Everyone agrees he provided multiple forms of ID. If I had a cop in my house, would I do that? NO WAY.
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Then you would be arrested just like this whining cunt Gates.
You are obligated by law to surrender your ID when asked, refusal to do so will get you arrested.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...logize/?page=1
Yea, cop is clearly a racist....
"When Sergeant James M. Crowley climbed the front steps of Henry Louis Gates Jr.’s house last week and unexpectedly placed himself in international headlines, it was not the first time he had a memorable encounter in the line of duty with a prominent black man. Nearly 16 years ago, as a Brandeis University police officer, Crowley desperately tried to save the life of Reggie Lewis after the Boston Celtics star collapsed while practicing in the school gym."
"Crowley was a certified emergency medical technician when he performed cardiopulmonary resuscitation on Lewis, to no avail, after the player’s heart stopped on July 27, 1993. In a Globe interview later that day, Crowley said he rushed to the university’s Shapiro Gymnasium, confirmed that Lewis had no pulse, and frantically tried to revive him.
“I just kept on going,’’ he said. “I just kept thinking, ‘Don’t let him die - just don’t die.’ ’’
"But people who know Crowley were skeptical or outright dismissive of allegations of racism. A prominent defense lawyer, a neighbor of Crowley’s, his union, and fellow officers described him yesterday as a respected, and respectful, officer who performs his job well and has led his colleagues in diversity training."
yup, definitely a racist....the nerve of him teaching diversity training......
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Originally Posted by trish
OMG!! He wasnt arrested because he's black! He was arrested because he was disorderly! Thats not racism. He was the one spewing hate! My God, open your eyes!
That about sums it up! What a jerk this Gates guy is. I hope his house gets robbed.............see who he calls then!Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootjoe69
OMG, Kramer, you're making the classic mistake of conflating the charge with the reason for the charge :) Open your sleepy little eyes.
Watching the news conference now...boy howdy...this shit ain't going away for a while...
It occurs to me that the reason why most white folks can't relate to this is that even trailer park crackers, who BTW are fair game for anyone to ridicule political correctness apparently does not apply to poor whites, the point being that even the average redneck trailer park resident would probably have been treated better by the cops than this Harvard professor...
No, that is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by beandip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutesQuote:
Police may question a person detained in a Terry stop, but in general, the detainee is not required to answer.[9] However, many states have “stop-and-identify” laws... In Hiibel, the Court held, in a 5-4 decision, that a Nevada “stop-and-identify” law did not violate the United States Constitution. The Court’s opinion implied that a detainee was not required to produce written identification, but could satisfy the requirement merely by stating his name.
Notes: It's different in a traffic stop, you do have to surrender written ID there. There are some few states that have laws requiring presentation of written ID (untested in court thus far), like Colorado. And my strong opinion is that even the "stop-and-identify" laws should be struck down as unconstitutional under the 5th Amendment, but that's the state of the law as of today.