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hefzfavebunii
Get a fucking life. Pick up a 50$ whore on Santa Monica if thats what you want.
I won't pay it
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Originally Posted by
GrimFusion
Really? She charges that much because there are STILL dudes around willing to pay her for her time. You don't need to be an internet troll because you're too poor. Most of us are. Playing bargain-finding cock-block so we can all feel better about ourselves isn't necessary. Sounds like some peanut gallery shit.
Haha ok if that make you feel better over there buddy. Your right I'm poor! Lol
Good one bob
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I vaguely remember a time in my life when I felt so good I couldn't even BELIEVE it! I just didn't make a career out of it, is all.
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Originally Posted by
hefzfavebunii
I don't care if you refuse to pay it? DON'T PAY IT THEN, go somewhere else!! If McDonalds were to charge 1k for a burger would you sit in the restaurant bitching and haggling for the cheaper price? Just go to Burger King and shut the fuck up!
Thank you!!!!
its like wtf? is up with these men making it such a big deal? No one here complains about their work pay salary... Now all of sudden someone dies and they can bitch about how much a girl charges? lol... LOSERS...
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Originally Posted by
Boardwalkempire
So your saying she can charge what she wants but I'm wrong because I refuse to pay it? It's all about supply and demand. I even said she can charge what ever she wants, but I don't have to pay for it.
If Burgerking wanted to charge me 1k for a whopper I would say fuck that and take my ass to McDonald's and get a bigmac for 5bucks.
No one has to pay her outrages prices but by all means let her charge that.
So you are a dumb bitch for telling me to get a life
*Forehead slap*
Domino can charge whatever she wants. If you can't afford it, go look up some porn and get over it, man. What you said wasn't funny; just unnecessary and kinda rude. I'm not trying to flip the fuck out about it, though. Just sayin' that you'd probably figure out how to avoid talking about people while they aren't around to defend themselves. </suggestion>
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Has this thread gone long enough already?
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Originally Posted by
italianamerican25
Has this thread gone long enough already?
Yes, unless you think that the idiots who don't understand how the market works need more time to get it into their heads.
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Originally Posted by
TatianaSummer
hey thanks! well I am a just a little brat! :)
I hope you find everything you wish for my beautiful:) brat friend :)
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The 50 dollar Santa Monica whore will give you a super secret suprise keeps and giving and giving for FREE too.
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Originally Posted by
robertlouis
Yes, unless you think that the idiots who don't understand how the market works need more time to get it into their heads.
I mean it's just feels like it's getting to the point of be repetitive. I saw some of the same stuff said in a thread about Jennifer Paris' rates.
It just comes down to this, if you feel the price is to high. Don't pick up the phone. And on the other end, if she is not getting the calls... then her rate will go down some... it's the nature of any business. How much is that service in demand.
It's not that hard to figure out.
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Originally Posted by
EvonRose
I never asked for your respect, I gave my opinion on the matter. If this affects you, this as to do with you not me, I never said i should be supported 100 percent i said in major circumstances, and i am talking about men who cower, do you cower?
Dead beat dads
Guys who don't pay child support
wife support
cheap
selfish
If this is you, then YES it is directed towards you and no apologies from me.
Nope none of the above. I look for strong, independent and self-confident women who don't need to rely on a man to support them because they think they should be put on a pedestal based on their looks. It's not just people who are cheap or selfish, who have no interest in supporting you, it's men who want partners and not just hiring a whore for life.
I'd happily pay $1000's for the right escort experience at the right time of my life.
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Originally Posted by
EvonRose
To me I don't see how its appropriate for a man to be saying such negativity on how a woman is prized.
Rally and Senchai saying I am in the industry because I don't have confidence to become successful? Yet you say loads of crap about a girl who is trying to be successful with her work and you complain about her charge? That does not make sense to me, There are ppl in life who have potential in other aspects of business we happen to be relatively appealing and as far as I'm concerned this is work, you can never make the money we make in this industry so just give us props just like we would with your line of work that is right up your ally. I think your a bunch of losers complaining and crying about a girls salary just because you can't afford it or you don't make as much. Envious? Frustrated? Insecure? Broke? I mean what is it?
What is the deal with these guys online? Lurkers, and losers. I swear.
There are men who would love to support me, and would love to be with me I'm not saying everyman wants me but to say no one would ever want me> you set yourself up to embarrassment when I do find a good man who loves me enough to do so. But we were not even talking about relationship, I only made a comment for the comment of another girl. So enough about my love life next topic!
You brought your "love life" or lack of it up. I don't give a shit what a girl charges to be an escort, I stated that earlier and if I was of the mood and inclination, I don't think dropping a few grand for the right experience is that bad. I'm sure that you are successful in business, you have the product so sell it for what you think it's worth.
YOU decided to bring in relationships and having a man to support you and that . It's this statement I take issue with.
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Originally Posted by EvonRose
When men cower at the thought of supporting a woman, taking care of her, and becoming that man he should be, I lose respect for that individual masculinity.
Real men don't cower at the thought of supporting a woman. They support her, whether emotionally, mentally, physically and somewhat financially but you seem only interested in the financial aspect. I'm sure you will find plenty of men who would love to support you 100% financially some men will want to hire a whore for a long term basis and put her in the role of a wife but that's not the basis for a relationship and men who do want that, aren't likely to be the good ones in the long run.
It's two different things. Be an escort and make the most money you can, be successful in it but that's not the same has having no respect or thinking that men who don't want to "take care of you" are the ones who are less of a man.
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Lol this thread is still raging on ... still good traffic for Domino site :)
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Originally Posted by
seanchai
You brought your "love life" or lack of it up. I don't give a shit what a girl charges to be an escort, I stated that earlier and if I was of the mood and inclination, I don't think dropping a few grand for the right experience is that bad. I'm sure that you are successful in business, you have the product so sell it for what you think it's worth.
YOU decided to bring in relationships and having a man to support you and that . It's this statement I take issue with.
I was replying to a comment made by another girl about personal relationships, you butted your way into the convo buddy, I gave my opinion since I was asked no one asked you for yours so I suggest keeping your mouth shut, since your way of base. You are making up things that you want to hear, it done deal I am already saying that your point was pointless because you read everything wrong, your misquoting, and adding on things I never said. That's a loser way to try to win an argument. lol...:loser:
I never said I wanted a man to support me, I never said I relied on men for money, i never said I can't support myself, I never said any of the things your saying above. You are talking straight out of your ass! A girl made a comment and asked if these guys complain about escort prizes I wonder what they do in relationships. I made that comment and said in "general circumstances". Where have i said any of the things you claim I said? You can't read and that's not my fault. So bug off, thanks for your opinion but your opinion is worthless. It's off topic from the point was making to the girl not you. So why don't you shut up and read before you come to all sorts of weird conclusion?
FYI I have been making the point the whole time about the men who cower, your the one offended by it. so that pertains to you doesn't it? it's not my fault your a dead beat father, or a lowlife thug who gets women pregnant and don't pay child or wife support...
Call me a whore all you want if that makes you feel better, but your no billionaire, or successful famous businessman your stuck where you belong no matter how much you try to degrade me. Women like us came from an unjust place yet we know how to survive the real world, You will never survive the life we live, so keep babbling about it. 90 percent of the women here are what you call whores go ahead. Yet you admire us and you jack off to us every waking moment of your life. How funny! Your sad. I never said emotional, and all the other aspects of relationship did not matter, I was talking about the financial aspect since I was asked. She only asked that specific question so I answered her, get it? Maybe not, but what do I expect from you. NOTHING.
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Originally Posted by
LibertyHarkness
Lol this thread is still raging on ... still good traffic for Domino site :)
I don't even think this thread is really about Domino anymore... makes me wonder if it truly was in the first place. Seems like it's all about money. lol
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Originally Posted by
EvonRose
I was replying to a comment made by another girl about personal relationships, you butted your way into the convo buddy, I gave my opinion since I was asked no one asked you for yours so I suggest keeping your mouth shut, since your way of base. You are making up things that you want to hear, it done deal I am already saying that your point was pointless because you read everything wrong, your misquoting, and adding on things I never said. That's a loser way to try to win an argument. lol...:loser:
Your conversation is on an open forum. So anyone has the right to state their opinion.
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I've come to the conclusion after reading months of posts from Evon that she unfortunately fits the profile some people have of TS . Oh she's hot...not a question about that. Physically she may even be close to flawless.........but what's that all mean ? She's over analytical, over emotional about most things, way too sensitive, way too pampered and way too inflexible.....but I guarantee she doesn't see herself that way. She'd have most men with one foot out the door inside a week. Evon...you got physical beauty many women would die for....just chill a little.
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Re: Domino Presley $1,000 - half hour??
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Originally Posted by
EvonRose
I was replying to a comment made by another girl about personal relationships, you butted your way into the convo buddy, I gave my opinion since I was asked no one asked you for yours so I suggest keeping your mouth shut, since your way of base. You are making up things that you want to hear, it done deal I am already saying that your point was pointless because you read everything wrong, your misquoting, and adding on things I never said. That's a loser way to try to win an argument. lol...:loser:
I never said I wanted a man to support me, I never said I relied on men for money, i never said I can't support myself, I never said any of the things your saying above. You are talking straight out of your ass! A girl made a comment and asked if these guys complain about escort prizes I wonder what they do in relationships. I made that comment and said in "general circumstances". Where have i said any of the things you claim I said? You can't read and that's not my fault. So bug off, thanks for your opinion but your opinion is worthless. It's off topic from the point was making to the girl not you. So why don't you shut up and read before you come to all sorts of weird conclusion?
FYI I have been making the point the whole time about the men who cower, your the one offended by it. so that pertains to you doesn't it? it's not my fault your a dead beat father, or a lowlife thug who gets women pregnant and don't pay child or wife support...
Call me a whore all you want if that makes you feel better, but your no billionaire, or successful famous businessman your stuck where you belong no matter how much you try to degrade me. Women like us came from an unjust place yet we know how to survive the real world, You will never survive the life we live, so keep babbling about it. 90 percent of the women here are what you call whores go ahead. Yet you admire us and you jack off to us every waking moment of your life. How funny! Your sad. I never said emotional, and all the other aspects of relationship did not matter, I was talking about the financial aspect since I was asked. She only asked that specific question so I answered her, get it? Maybe not, but what do I expect from you. NOTHING.
You clearly stated:
"When men cower at the thought of supporting a woman, taking care of her, and becoming that man he should be, I lose respect for that individual masculinity."
If what you mean by that, isn't being taken care by a man paying for her (and further more, you seem to think that any man who doesn't financially take care of her, must be a "deadbeat father" or a "lowlife thug" ... was that your father perhaps and you need to project it onto all men?) and taking care of her financial means, then you need to look at communicating more clearly. Don't put something on an open forum, if you are not expecting a response.
I never once called you a whore or tried to degrade you? Can you point out where? So don't go playing the victim role, it's unbecoming and either way, I don't see a whore being a bad word when it's specifically referring to sex for money? If anyone should be offended, I should for what you stated I was?
I "... will never survive the life you lead" ? Thankfully no. I was brought up to have more self-respect for myself and for other people than to base my feelings for them on how much they could financially "care for me" ie; pay me to be their partner.
Grow up.
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Every relationship is an understanding, no matter how others subjectively view it, between the parties directly involved. Some guys want a trophy on their arm and some want a saint. Some women want emotional support and some want financial support. But most want something in between and find someone who fits the criteria. We're not going to resolve the "war of the sexes" on HA. But it's great way to kill time. Isn't it? Lol
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Originally Posted by
onmyknees
I've come to the conclusion after reading months of posts from Evon that she unfortunately fits the profile some people have of TS . Oh she's hot...not a question about that. Physically she may even be close to flawless.........but what's that all mean ? She's over analytical, over emotional about most things, way too sensitive, way too pampered and way too inflexible.....but I guarantee she doesn't see herself that way. She'd have most men with one foot out the door inside a week. Evon...you got physical beauty many women would die for....just chill a little.
Why don't you just call her a "lib" and get it off your chest. You know you want to. LOL
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Re: Domino Presley $1,000 - half hour??
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Originally Posted by
EvonRose
...I never said I wanted a man to support me, I never said I relied on men for money, i never said I can't support myself...
correct me if i am wrong but you are an escort no? so you do rely on horny men to support you. if you have a real job, let me know, otherwise, YOU CAN'T SUPPORT YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU ARE DEPENDENT ON MEN FUCKING YOU. if you are going to claim that your primary source of income is from singing...i guess i can't dispute that.
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Originally Posted by
EvonRose
...Call me a whore all you want if that makes you feel better, but your no billionaire, or successful famous businessman your stuck where you belong no matter how much you try to degrade me
i don't know what your financial situation is not steven's, but i'd think that most people would consider a dude that is at the forefront of tranny erotica AND is a large part of the reason for the growth of that genre, is far more successful than an escort/singer. i'm not trying to defend steven here...but really, the attack above is kinda pointless
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You can blowtorch her with logic all you want but she still won't get it. She's dumb. She thinks she knows what it's like to be a woman, but an angry whore is her only familiarity. She is not woman. She is whore in every sense, talking gibberish.
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Originally Posted by
Nicole Dupre
Why don't you just call her a "lib" and get it off your chest. You know you want to. LOL
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I once asked some strippers if their dancing was a calling or a job. Without hesitation, "Oh it's DEFINITELY a job!!!" I thought, man, you call going to a "party" every night a job??!!??
I guess there's a fine line between being a tempermental highstrung thoroughbred, and a selfcentered spoiled mirrorgazer.
All Women Like Presents. I'm not going to buck nature's law...but 500 bucks an hour? When does the CHUMP alarm go off? Especially when you girls insult your own clients for paying for it!!! Then you insult guys for NOT paying for it! In the short time I've been here I've grown fond of lots of the escorts that post frequently. Nicole should be a writer. I heard Evon Rose sing on Youtube yesterday. Wow!! Look out, bitches, or you may accidentally make some friends here!
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Guys still arguing about prices in here?
next thing they will be asking to lower prices on girls websites and shemale websites to $3.99 a month with VIP access, unlimited downloads of HD pictures, Videos, and the whole nine yards of content. Make that $1.99 because I think they can't affort $3.99 a month.
This is incredible! :hide-1:
Tip:
Guys, Masturbation is Free. :):):)
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Originally Posted by
TatianaSummer
Guys still arguing about prices in here?
next thing they will be asking to lower prices on girls websites and shemale websites to $3.99 a month with VIP access, unlimited downloads of HD pictures, Videos, and the whole nine yards of content. Make that $1.99 because I think they can't affort $3.99 a month.
This is incredible! :hide-1:
Tip:
Guys, Masturbation is Free. :):):)
LOL I think you're on to something.
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Originally Posted by
TatianaSummer
Guys still arguing about prices in here?
next thing they will be asking to lower prices on girls websites and shemale websites to $3.99 a month with VIP access, unlimited downloads of HD pictures, Videos, and the whole nine yards of content. Make that $1.99 because I think they can't affort $3.99 a month.
This is incredible! :hide-1:
Tip:
Guys, Masturbation is Free. :):):)
If you're trying to shame us, I don't think it'll work.
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Originally Posted by
Nicole Dupre
Why don't you just call her a "lib" and get it off your chest. You know you want to. LOL
Yea...you got all twisted when I called you that. LMAO...Strange considering all the unflattering things I've called you. But then again you're severely bi polar so you may have been having one of those "off" days. lol
And why the fuck would I call her lib....? this isn't political and I have no idea of her politics. She doesn't inject it into every thread like you....
It sounds like you just needed something to antagonize me about, or you're just shy on material tonight.... maybe you're tired. It's not easy being you ...we're all painfully aware of that !! but at least the hyena enjoyed it. ( that would be Silcc)
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Originally Posted by
seanchai
You clearly stated:
"When men cower at the thought of supporting a woman, taking care of her, and becoming that man he should be, I lose respect for that individual masculinity."
If what you mean by that, isn't being taken care by a man paying for her (and further more, you seem to think that any man who doesn't financially take care of her, must be a "deadbeat father" or a "lowlife thug" ... was that your father perhaps and you need to project it onto all men?) and taking care of her financial means, then you need to look at communicating more clearly. Don't put something on an open forum, if you are not expecting a response.
I never once called you a whore or tried to degrade you? Can you point out where? So don't go playing the victim role, it's unbecoming and either way, I don't see a whore being a bad word when it's specifically referring to sex for money? If anyone should be offended, I should for what you stated I was?
I "... will never survive the life you lead" ? Thankfully no. I was brought up to have more self-respect for myself and for other people than to base my feelings for them on how much they could financially "care for me" ie; pay me to be their partner.
Grow up.
Where in that sentence does it say anything about a female not being able to be successful on her own right? These men who cower do not want to give money to general circumstances or to their family because they are selfish, when they have a responsibility to take care of their kids and wife they don't. This quote had nothing to do with me saying I think a man should support me because i think I'm hot and i want to be materialistic and just be a princess your so stupid!
I never said a man should pay for me to be their partner, you have a habit of talking out of your ass, you really need to get a grip and get your life!
You grow up!
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Soooo we are aiming for 69 pages and beyond!?
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Originally Posted by
italianamerican25
Your conversation is on an open forum. So anyone has the right to state their opinion.
Cool! but his opinion was far off from the point I was making, not only that but to attack me falsely of being this premaddona? yeah I never said anything remotely close to what he made up to try to belittle and win an argument he created, out of an opinion i made from another girls direct question to me... No one asked him anything, so best to have left it alone,
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Originally Posted by
onmyknees
Yea...you got all twisted when I called you that. LMAO...Strange considering all the unflattering things I've called you. But then again you're severely bi polar so you may have been having one of those "off" days. lol
And why the fuck would I call her lib....? this isn't political and I have no idea of her politics. She doesn't inject it into every thread like you....
It sounds like you just needed something to antagonize me about, or you're just shy on material tonight.... maybe you're tired. It's not easy being you ...we're all painfully aware of that !! but at least the hyena enjoyed it. ( that would be Silcc)
She's actually pretty funny, you on the other hand well let's just say humor isn't your strong point.
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seanchai you stated men don't like to hire whores for a lifetime, pertaining tot he bullshit you mad cup about me saying all men should support me and that i feel entitles to such support with i never said by pertaining this you pertain to me as a whore... You rants about this subject for 3 pages, i personally don't get it because i was not even talking about it, i was talking about these loser of mens who can't pay their child support, don't like supporting their family, or the ones who complain about women's success.... You way off dude.
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Originally Posted by
onmyknees
I've come to the conclusion after reading months of posts from Evon that she unfortunately fits the profile some people have of TS . Oh she's hot...not a question about that. Physically she may even be close to flawless.........but what's that all mean ? She's over analytical, over emotional about most things, way too sensitive, way too pampered and way too inflexible.....but I guarantee she doesn't see herself that way. She'd have most men with one foot out the door inside a week. Evon...you got physical beauty many women would die for....just chill a little.
And you don't think ppl think you should chill with your racist remarks? If i fit the profile of a ts, then ppl here can say you fit the profile of a kkk... just saying. You have not heard that from me till today have you? If I got nothing nice to say i don't say anything, i have never personally attacked anyone here, or said rude comments to one, everything has beed a defense for me because some guys here have diarrhea of the mouth.
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Originally Posted by
RallyCola
correct me if i am wrong but you are an escort no? so you do rely on horny men to support you. if you have a real job, let me know, otherwise, YOU CAN'T SUPPORT YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU ARE DEPENDENT ON MEN FUCKING YOU. if you are going to claim that your primary source of income is from singing...i guess i can't dispute that.
I make money of dom working, but if lets say men stopped seeing me for 5k for the night, i would in a heartbeat find a solution.
i don't know what your financial situation is not steven's, but i'd think that most people would consider a dude that is at the forefront of tranny erotica AND is a large part of the reason for the growth of that genre, is far more successful than an escort/singer. i'm not trying to defend steven here...but really, the attack above is kinda pointless
Dude you and his attacks were pointless front he getco, next!
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Evon, I do love that new avi you got up.
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Evon...you are really pathetic.
you are playing a victim because you made crass and unflattering statements about your desire to be financially provided for and now you are backpedaling talking about deadbeat dads. newsflash...you don't have to worry about that do you because you are a transgender whore.
listen...i am not judging you for being an escort...i am judging you on the quality of your words and now your attempt to make them make sense. that's pathetic. if you really did mean to criticize dead beat dads and such, then you should have more carefully chosen your words when replying to a thread about an escort's rates. that you didn't means you probably meant what you originally said...that you expect a man to pay for everything for you. that's the entitlement I spoke of. in fact, in your initial reply to me, you didn't point anything out. it was only after steven's post you changed your tune. well, if you can sing half as well as you can bullshit, maybe the next hard black thing you work with won't be a cock...it will be a mic.
that said...getting back to the original topic.....
i'm really TIRED of reading posts that are about what a client/john can afford. you guys have no clue what anyone here can or cannot afford. and remember...it isn't about if you can afford it...it is if you value it. if you think not valuing something means you can't afford it...go find a jew. they will educate you.
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Man, you guys make me bust up.
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Originally Posted by
RallyCola
Evon...you are really pathetic.
you are playing a victim because you made crass and unflattering statements about your desire to be financially provided for and now you are backpedaling talking about deadbeat dads. newsflash...you don't have to worry about that do you because you are a transgender whore.
listen...i am not judging you for being an escort...i am judging you on the quality of your words and now your attempt to make them make sense. that's pathetic. if you really did mean to criticize dead beat dads and such, then you should have more carefully chosen your words when replying to a thread about an escort's rates. that you didn't means you probably meant what you originally said...that you expect a man to pay for everything for you. that's the entitlement I spoke of. in fact, in your initial reply to me, you didn't point anything out. it was only after steven's post you changed your tune. well, if you can sing half as well as you can bullshit, maybe the next hard black thing you work with won't be a cock...it will be a mic.
that said...getting back to the original topic.....
i'm really TIRED of reading posts that are about what a client/john can afford. you guys have no clue what anyone here can or cannot afford. and remember...it isn't about if you can afford it...it is if you value it. if you think not valuing something means you can't afford it...go find a jew. they will educate you.
wow thats ugly. you sound like a racist misogynistic piece of shit. Go jump off a bridge with your broke ass!!
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rydermorrison
wow thats ugly. you sound like a racist misogynistic piece of shit. Go jump off a bridge with your broke ass!!
yeah...i'll get right on that.
what about what I said was misogynistic? i am merely point out what total bullshit evon is spewing.
if you disagree, tell me why but your reply is as pointless as me having an asshole on my elbow.