Am i the only one

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Originally Posted by nonnonnon

get that badboy inverted and your problems will disappear

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As will 99.9% of your "fans" here. :whistle:

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Originally Posted by Birgitta

And yes its true a lot of t girls do not behave like woman, they want to be special, get loads of attention, etcetc, with respect and admiration for the girls that are into escort to pay for their transition and the rent etc thats not what i mean, but ts in tporn are portryed as ts woman with a gay sexuality, they are not woman, often are not treated like woman, and their admirers do not want them to be woman. This maybe fitting for a lot of girls but not all of us are like that.

And please dont start again calling me closed minded etc, there are a lot of people out there in the world that would not consider me a woman because i am a ts, what makes you think i am any better then them. I can have sympathy and respect and understanding for their opinion as long as they give me the freedom to be who i am. Bella and others here are forcing openmindedness on people like dictators lol

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A good point you made. You demonstrated openmindedness in other topics though, so when you voiced strong negative opinions against groups of people here it was more shocking than if one of the resident bigots had done it.

I think for some of us that have faced oppression (in whatever form it takes) we want to believe in a shared camaraderie against the oppressor (whoever they may be) and in this case you validated the oppressor. (maybe i'm just talking rubbish and have just been reading too much Frantz Fanon lately)

Anyways, for what it's worth I find your ideas interesting although I don't agree withall of the latter ones and hope you keep posting.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

The answer is diversity - and if there's any one thing that all those on this forum should be defending and promoting in its widest possible sense, it's diversity.

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things become truely bizarre when people try to define gender and sexuality in ridiculously simplistic and exclusive binary catergories while not even seeing the irony that they cannot possibly fit into either

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

fuck thats shit.if you can eat a girls pussy than you can sure as hell put my dick in your mouth.
no one puts their cock in my ass without putting mines in theirs mouth.
"this junk in my trunk aint made for chumps"

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Amber, do not feed the trolls! why fg is still on this site is beyond comprehension...

so if i said every trannie should be a top ya'll would agree with me right?

I wasn't going to comment at all anymore, and I won't argue with Birgitta point for point, but... I do find it interesting how quick everyone is to to defend her all of a sudden simply because she rephrased the fucked up things she said... and has a pretty avatar. Don't believe the hype boys: Birgitta could look like big bird for all you know.

Men. Such simple creatures. And as to Birgitta, I have a newfound respect for her as I'm impressed by her manipulation of this board. I couldn't have done it better myself. :lol:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I wasn't going to comment at all anymore,

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I wish you would hold onto to that original intention.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Why a GG?! I'd do it in a heartbeat. :dancing:

~BB~

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Nobody's even talkin to u, stfu already.

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Originally Posted by Schimmel

I wish you would hold onto to that original intention.



Nobody's even talkin to u, stfu already.

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Simmer down, Nicole. :loser:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I have a newfound respect for her as I'm impressed by her manipulation of this board. I couldn't have done it better myself. :lol:

~BB~

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And for good reason, that being that you take yourself way too seriously.

It's not surprising to me that as Birgitta has expressed an opinion you disagree with you and you can't convince other people into turning against her, you now accuse her of manipulating people and have even gone so far as to creating a thread about her in order to further malign her. We have seen this before, and we'll see it again.

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Originally Posted by TJ347

And for good reason, that being that you take yourself way too seriously.

It's not surprising to me that as Birgitta has expressed an opinion you disagree with you and you can't convince other people into turning against her, you now accuse her of manipulating people and have even gone so far as to creating a thread about her in order to further malign her. We have seen this before, and we'll see it again.

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Wrong. I take life seriously, the scope of which is not limited to myself. And I didn't malign anyone. I just thought we all had a right to know something about the background of the person, the n00b person, who has come here to stir the pot. I don't think that's an unreasonable request, but most importantly: why is it that nobody on this board seems to believe that anybody on it has the best interests of the majority at heart? Is it because, like I pointed out on the escort rate threat, people find transsexuals selfish and wasteful? Well, that's all well and good, but it still sounds like stereotyping to me. :wiggle:

~BB~

PS: Only the men seem to be defending her. That's fascinating, but not surprising. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by muh_muh

things become truely bizarre when people try to define gender and sexuality in ridiculously simplistic and exclusive binary catergories while not even seeing the irony that they cannot possibly fit into either

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Not true, i am veeery aware i do not fit anywhere. All the assumptions people make lol pffew

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I wasn't going to comment at all anymore, and I won't argue with Birgitta point for point, but... I do find it interesting how quick everyone is to to defend her all of a sudden simply because she rephrased the fucked up things she said... and has a pretty avatar. Don't believe the hype boys: Birgitta could look like big bird for all you know.

Men. Such simple creatures. And as to Birgitta, I have a newfound respect for her as I'm impressed by her manipulation of this board. I couldn't have done it better myself. :lol:

~BB~

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Haha yeah i thought that was funny too! Maybe i should put the picture with the bird up again...i dont feel like posting my picture just because it could end up anywhere once i do. And i am afraid nobody knows me irl on this board so big bird it is i guess lol

I don't think the majority of the people on this board care if anyone else on it has their best interests at heart, honestly. Maybe the majority of the girls here appreciate your efforts Bella, maybe not, but overall I'm fairly certain that this isn't something the majority of the board values.

As to the defense of Birgitta... More of the men here will defend her because more of them want to sleep with her than want to sleep with you, and I don't mean that as an insult. You see, very little is known about Birgitta just yet, as you've said, but people here have formed their opinions of you by now. Thus, if only by virtue of being new and little known, she's going to be defended by men who have decided that they do not have a favorable opinion of you, especially if they believe that is really her in her avatar. It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Wrong. I take life seriously, the scope of which is not limited to myself. And I didn't malign anyone. I just thought we all had a right to know something about the background of the person, the n00b person, who has come here to stir the pot. I don't think that's an unreasonable request, but most importantly: why is it that nobody on this board seems to believe that anybody on it has the best interests of the majority at heart? Is it because, like I pointed out on the escort rate threat, people find transsexuals selfish and wasteful? Well, that's all well and good, but it still sounds like stereotyping to me. :wiggle:

~BB~

PS: Only the men seem to be defending her. That's fascinating, but not surprising. :rolleyes:

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So what do you want to know bella? I tell stuff about my background and i do understand that my opinion is not loved by everyone lol, and that it is not true for everyone, but it is for me psychologically and emotionally.

Again did not mean to hurt you and i am not manipulating anyone, im way to busy damaging any reputation i might have for sharing my thoughts lil

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Originally Posted by Birgitta

Haha yeah i thought that was funny too! Maybe i should put the picture with the bird up again...i dont feel like posting my picture just because it could end up anywhere once i do. And i am afraid nobody knows me irl on this board so big bird it is i guess lol

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That's fine. I'm not judging your decision, but you need to realize the consequences of that. Namely the fact that nobody knows who are you or from where you're coming from and the only people who defend you want to fuck you, sight unseen. :geek:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by TJ347

I don't think the majority of the people on this board care if anyone else on it has their best interests at heart, honestly. Maybe the majority of the girls here appreciate your efforts Bella, maybe not, but overall I'm fairly certain that this isn't something the majority of the board values.

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Well then I guess I should be the one to leave instead, if that's the way everyone feels. And to be honest, it could save me a whole lotta grief. I don't benefit any from being morally upstanding anyway. It seems that nobody, seemingly anywhere, puts value in it anymore. :geek:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by TJ347

I don't think the majority of the people on this board care if anyone else on it has their best interests at heart, honestly. Maybe the majority of the girls here appreciate your efforts Bella, maybe not, but overall I'm fairly certain that this isn't something the majority of the board values.

As to the defense of Birgitta... More of the men here will defend her because more of them want to sleep with her than want to sleep with you, and I don't mean that as an insult. You see, very little is known about Birgitta just yet, as you've said, but people here have formed their opinions of you by now. Thus, if only by virtue of being new and little known, she's going to be defended by men who have decided that they do not have a favorable opinion of you, especially if they believe that is really her in her avatar. It's that simple.

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I think Bella is being genuine when she says she has another's best interests at heart. She flys off the handle but I don't think she's vitriolic like some others. She's also a conspiracy theorist but that helps keep others honest. I'm sure she and Birgitta would get along quite well IRL.

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Originally Posted by TJ347

I don't think the majority of the people on this board care if anyone else on it has their best interests at heart, honestly. Maybe the majority of the girls here appreciate your efforts, maybe not, but overall I'm fairly certain that this isn't something the majority of the board values.

As to the defense of Birgitta... More of the men here will defend her because more of them want to sleep with her than want to sleep with you, and I don't mean that as an insult. You see, very little is known about Birgitta just yet, as you've said, but people here have formed their opinions of you by now. Thus, if only by virtue of being new and little known, she's going to be defended by men who have decided that they do not have a favorable opinion of you, especially if they believe that is really her in her avatar. It's that simple.

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Guys defending me for my looks is enjoyable but really i am not here to show off, or for the guys, it would be nice to make friends, but i am not looking for romance or sex coz i am in a relationship, if i was not i would have tried to be more charming lol
That is marianne faithfull in my avatar.

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Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream

I think Bella is being genuine when she says she has another's best interests at heart. She flys off the handle but I don't think she's vitriolic like some others. She's also a conspiracy theorist but that helps keep others honest. I'm sure she and Birgitta would get along quite well IRL.

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Yes i am sure of that too, i like her lol. But the feeling isn"t mutual but i understand why.

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Originally Posted by Birgitta

Not true, i am veeery aware i do not fit anywhere. All the assumptions people make lol pffew

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then why do you still insist on pigeonholing people in these silly categories of what youve decided to be either feminine or masculine when you should know best that human gender identity and sexuality just isnt that simple?

whats worse is youre either intentionally or unintentionally implying that anyone who doesnt fit into that worldview loses her or his right to be seen as a true man/woman (yes im aware that this is ultimately a circular argument of absurdity) which from what i can tell is ultimately what bella is rightfully upset about

and for the record no one fits anywhere and any attempts to pigeonhole humans is ultimately doomed to fail
or you end up with 6 billion (or whatever the current world population is) pigeonholes

The majority of the people here want to see dick pics, and you know that full well, Bella. I'm not saying that's all everybody wants, obviously, but this is first and foremost a porn board, and you have to keep that in mind. This is why I shake my head when girls here complain about guys treating them as a simple sexual fetish... You can't be taken seriously when you complain about being treated as a sexual fetish on a board that trades on the very sexual fetish you're complaining about. I mean, this is HUNG ANGELS. It isn't the "Transsexual Empowerment Forum". Let's be clear about that.

As to leaving the board... Hell, I left for quite awhile myself. I think periodically you need to do that. I've had my issues with you, but I would never tell anyone... actually, that's not true... I would never tell you that you should leave the board. Again, this is HUNG ANGELS. It's really not that serious at all. Just remember what this board is and what it isn't, and you'll be alright. However, if you want the "Transsexual Empowerment Forum", I'm afraid you're going to have to be the one who creates it.

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Originally Posted by Birgitta

Yes i am sure of that too, i like her lol. But the feeling isn"t mutual but i understand why.

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It's not mutual because I don't know you! You never gave anyone a chance to before you started being judgmental around here. I would accept your apology and love to get to know you better, if you would offer one instead of continuing to defend your ill-formed statements. I'm sure we probably agree on lots of other topics.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by muh_muh

then why do you still insist on pigeonholing people in these silly categories of what youve decided to be either feminine or masculine when you should know best that human gender identity and sexuality just isnt that simple?

whats worse is youre either intentionally or unintentionally implying that anyone who doesnt fit into that worldview loses her or his right to be seen as a true man/woman (yes im aware that this is ultimately a circular argument of absurdity) which from what i can tell is ultimately what bella is rightfully upset about

and for the record no one fits anywhere and any attempts to pigeonhole humans is ultimately doomed to fail
or you end up with 6 billion (or whatever the current world population is) pigeonholes

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Muh muh, what i said is that the t girl porn scene is being dominated with girls behaving like gay men sexually and that i suspect this is due to the wishes of t lovers of which many are masochistic, bttm, transvestites etc

but in reality a lot of girls are not like that, at least not the ones that eant to live life like a woman as normal as possible, its my view on things thats all

Sorry for the bad english, im writing from my mobile phone which makes it harder lol

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Originally Posted by Birgitta

Muh muh, what i said is that the t girl porn scene is being dominated with girls behaving like gay men sexually and that i suspect this is due to the wishes of t lovers of which many are masochistic, bttm, transvestites etc.

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That's not what you said. If you had said that I would have agreed 1000%! :lol:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by TJ347

The majority of the people here want to see dick pics, and you know that full well, Bella. I'm not saying that's all everybody wants, obviously, but this is first and foremost a porn board, and you have to keep that in mind. This is why I shake my head when girls here complain about guys treating them as a simple sexual fetish... You can't be taken seriously when you complain about being treated as a sexual fetish on a board that trades on the very sexual fetish you're complaining about. I mean, this is HUNG ANGELS. It isn't the "Transsexual Empowerment Forum". .

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I agree 100%. Still there will always be girls new to the scene and there is a lot of stuff you need to learn about being a ts, your mother does not teach you when you grow up there will be men lined up for you, but they want to put on your bra and make love to them as if they are woman themselves lol

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

It's not mutual because I don't know you! You never gave anyone a chance to before you started being judgmental around here. I would accept your apology and love to get to know you better, if you would offer one instead of continuing to defend your ill-formed statements. I'm sure we probably agree on lots of other topics.

~BB~

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But what is it you want me to apologise for? I seriously dont want to hurt anyone and i am really sorry if me blowing off steam caused you to think i do so to purposefully insult people. As a tgirl i am actually a bit frustrated that we are objectified so often into something only some of us truely are, and yeeeah im dissapointed that you never know for sure what the reasons are that someone has for loving you, i find it dissapointing that the guys that support us do not desire that we behave like woman sexually.

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Originally Posted by Birgitta

But what is it you want me to apologise for? I seriously dont want to hurt anyone and i am really sorry if me blowing off steam caused you to think i do so to purposefully insult people. As a tgirl i am actually a bit frustrated that we are objectified so often into something only some of us truely are, and yeeeah im dissapointed that you never know for sure what the reasons are that someone has for loving you, i find it dissapointing that the guys that support us do not desire that we behave like woman sexually.

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Apology accepted. That's all I wanted to read. :yingyang:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

That's not what you said. If you had said that I would have agreed 1000%! :lol:

~BB~

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What i said about you being a parent i should not have said, still from my perspective i still would not want to have kids in the way i am now, allthough it does save one the trouble and agony of giving birth,

But i understand you are a mommy now, im sorry i said that....its just that i met so many twoman that had children and acted so very masculine etc that made me say that,

But i know you are not like them

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Originally Posted by Birgitta

What i said about you being a parent i should not have said, still from my perspective i still would not want to have kids in the way i am now, allthough it does save one the trouble and agony for giving birth

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Are you kidding? She gets the stretch marks, we both get the kid, and I'm just as much, if not moreso, his mother than his actual biological mother (loooong story). I'm sorry for being the exception to the rule, but I did get a win-win-win on this one. :lol:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Are you kidding? She gets the stretch marks, we both get the kid, and I'm just as much, if not moreso, his mother than his actual biological mother (loooong story). I'm sorry for being the exception to the rule, but I did get a win-win-win on this one. :lol:

~BB~

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I am happy for you babe and happy for your kid that he"s got a sweet caring open minded (lol!) Moma, and i admire you for it, i could not raise a kid, still raising myself lol

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Originally Posted by Birgitta

I am happy for you babe and happy for your kid that he"s got a sweet caring open minded (lol!) Moma, and i admire you for it, i could not raise a kid, still raising myself lol

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You can be my kid. :) I do think you mean well and you misspoke by accident now, but the way you dug in just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm sorry too. xoxo

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I'm sorry too

~BB~

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nooooooooooooooooo
it's a trap

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

You can be my kid. I do think you mean well and you misspoke by accident now, but the way you dug in just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm sorry too. xoxo

~BB~

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You know it really makes me wonder a lot that i still am going about things the wrong way, i guess frustration just takes over, you dont have to apologize at all, i understood your reaction and i was never angry about it, only sad that you took it this way, coz it makes me feel like a bad person, something i really dont want to be.

I am not easely hurt on the internet but my words can be a bitch i know and it bothers me i am this way.

Like with prospero, i really like the guy but i did start a fight with him, not coz i wanted too, i guess i just wanted him to understand me lol he is an intelligent guy and im very glad to see there are many intelligent guys on this forum.

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Originally Posted by nonnonnon

nooooooooooooooooo
it's a trap

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Whatever dude. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Originally Posted by Birgitta

You know it really makes me wonder a lot that i still am going about things the wrong way, i guess frustration just takes over, you dont have to apologize at all, i understood your reaction and i was never angry about it, only sad that you took it this way, coz it makes me feel like a bad person, something i really dont want to be.

I am not easely hurt on the internet but my words can be a bitch i know and it bothers me i am this way.

Like with prospero, i really like the guy but i did start a fight with him, not coz i wanted too, i guess i just wanted him to understand me lol he is an intelligent guy and im very glad to see there are many intelligent guys on this forum.

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OMG lady, I can totally relate to that. You just have to try to stay grounded as best you can. I know it's not easy... obviously. :lol:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by nonnonnon

nooooooooooooooooo
it's a trap

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We both are loooool

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Whatever dude. :lol: :lol: :lol:



OMG lady, I can totally relate to that. You just have to try to stay grounded as best you can. I know it's not easy... obviously. :lol:

~BB~

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First i am going to have a good night sleep and meet up with my bf tommorow, that will probably reduce any lingering frustration i might still have in my system lol, and i wont be online much coz my pc crashed, and surfing with my mobile phone really annoys me lol

Xxx have a nice day/evening ehm lol

Xxxx birgit

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Are you blind? I was being sincere. So were the other people, plural, who agreed that Birgitta may have some legitimate issues. She told us that she already is seeing a therapist, so where's the problem?

Oh, right, it's in your head. Stop projecting your anger onto me. You can question my methods, but you shouldn't make the mistake of questioning my motives. I've proved time and time again that they're progressive, not personal.

~BB~

PS: Your girlfriend Nicole was the most brutal TS that's ever posted here. :?

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You're my girlfriend Bella....I just think you got to personal with Brigitta...you of course will deny that, but that's the way I read it. But that was yesterday...today is today. You're a tough chic and give as good as you get. I'm glad you two are not rumbling anymore...there's some vouyers on here that get off on that, but I'm not one of them.

Now you two girls kiss and make up .... slower , w/ some passion ..... now who's gettin sucked ?

I got confused w/ the other thread.

Blimey, it's turned into a love-in. How sweet.