Re: Can You Be Considered High Class When You Sell Sex?
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my my my!
Same thing for escorts, in my opinion they're doing something degrading, demeaning and what i consider inhumane. Nothing is ever going to convince me that some are somehow "higher class" than their streetwalking counterparts. And I do know escorts in real life. And at no point do i think i'm hanging out with a "high class escort" or "lowly street walker", they're just friends and i treat them as such.
I don't get this at all. You're calling this work degrading, demeaning and dehumanizing when everyone agrees that this work has been around since the advent of man. Evidence, would in fact, lead one to think that it's a very human thing, especially for those who freely choose the profession.
But the big thing I don't get is that you're friends with escorts, and if I'm not mistaken, you make posts in various threads glorifying the beauty of some of these girls who are escorts. That seems like a huge disconnect for you.
And finally, the arguments about girls separating themselves into high class escorts and low class escorts is a huge straw man. Where is the evidence that escorts do indeed separate themselves thusly? And don't give me any bullshit anecdotal stories from 3 "girls" who you know. Give me the friggin statistical study where the high classers have separated themselves from their low class sisters.
Re: Can You Be Considered High Class When You Sell Sex?
OK had to pick some quotes from the thread and say my bit:
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jamesb121
To be honest, I though that the U.S. was an almost classless society.
Does it matter though? Not to me but then again I'm British and we have a totally different view of the class system.
We do? I'm British and I don't think your sweeping generalization includes me.. perhaps you have been socially constructed to believe in a class system - seems pretty foolish to me.
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jamesb121
True that...
Really posting that image - you sir have no class.
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my my my!
I'm not insulting them, I just said it is the equivalent of trying to sugarcoat something that is bad.
you can love eating shit, and try to convince me it is good. and then tell me there is gourmet shit. and I will flat out tell you , there is no such thing as gourmet shit, it is all shit.
Same thing for escorts, in my opinion they're doing something degrading, demeaning and what i consider inhumane. Nothing is ever going to convince me that some are somehow "higher class" than their streetwalking counterparts. And I do know escorts in real life. And at no point do i think i'm hanging out with a "high class escort" or "lowly street walker", they're just friends and i treat them as such.
The fault with your opinion is that you are assuming that escorts who choose to do what they do give a shit about what you might think. You can think it is 'demeaning', 'degrading' and 'inhumane' whilst they can happily laugh at fools like you, count their hard-earned money and live the life that they want.
You can love being a moron and try to convince me it is good. Then tell me there are such things as gourmet morons. I will flat out tell you, there is no such thing as a gourmet moron, they are all morons (I corrected your grammar and punctuation because sometimes even morons need help).
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jamesb121
I'm glad you got my meaning.
The UK is obsessed with the class system - the U.S. work ethic (to my mind anyway) is king - work hard and achieve.
I know what you mean regards class by action however, surely it's a persons choice how to act and what to do, regardless of background and wealth.
Parts of your point are pretty fine, but seriously in the UK only the media are obsessed with the class system. The reality is there are the rich and the poor; the poor would much prefer to be rich. That's about it.
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Tapatio
I'm digging this iteration of GroobySteven.
I 100% agree, well like 99.9%. I can do without retard being repeated but making sure the idiots are told they are such works for me.
Re: Can You Be Considered High Class When You Sell Sex?
Gamer girls are classy. Just saying.
Re: Can You Be Considered High Class When You Sell Sex?
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Odelay
I don't get this at all. You're calling this work degrading, demeaning and dehumanizing when everyone agrees that this work has been around since the advent of man. Evidence, would in fact, lead one to think that it's a very human thing, especially for those who freely choose the profession.
But the big thing I don't get is that you're friends with escorts, and if I'm not mistaken, you make posts in various threads glorifying the beauty of some of these girls who are escorts. That seems like a huge disconnect for you.
And finally, the arguments about girls separating themselves into high class escorts and low class escorts is a huge straw man. Where is the evidence that escorts do indeed separate themselves thusly? And don't give me any bullshit anecdotal stories from 3 "girls" who you know. Give me the friggin statistical study where the high classers have separated themselves from their low class sisters.
uhhhmm, where to start with you...
okay. Being friends with escorts, yet still hoping they would choose another profession is not in any way a contradiction. I don't understand, why you don't understand that...
Now, admiring beauty, has nothing to do with profession. There might be really attractive girls in an office, and really attractive girls that are escorts. so i simply don't understand why you even brought that up. when I look at pics on Hungangels, I'm not reading underneath the pic "escort" . to me, she's just a model, and could be in school or any other job. so , again, your point is completely useless to me.
The girls themselves separate into the "high class" thing, which is what this thread is all about. They somehow think they're better or "higher class" than their streetwalking counterparts. And to me, that is a ridiculous concept.
Just because prostitution has existed forever does not make it any less degrading, and i question anyone's voluntary reason for getting into it. Should they lose sleep over my concern? No, and neither should I. Your explanation of the world's oldest profession is like saying, ohhh, cancer is ok, you know, because it's existed forever , it's nice and cuddly now.
If prostitutes want to keep doing it, by all means they're free to make that idiotic (in my opinion) decision. And I think it's idiotic that they somehow think they're better (implied by calling themselves "high class") than a streetwalker (again, my opinion).
I'm not apologizing, it's my opinion, and yes, I do think escorting is bad/degrading/stupid and outright dangerous. And to go into it voluntarily, even more so.
Re: Can You Be Considered High Class When You Sell Sex?
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Originally Posted by
my my my!
I'm not insulting them, I just said it is the equivalent of trying to sugarcoat something that is bad.
I can understand how one might regard selling one’s body to be degrading. After all, it’s just a step away from someone else selling your body and that’s called slavery. But independent prostitutes do not sell their bodies, nor does anyone else. Like any other worker they merely sell a service.
It is not the service that demeans, but the judgement of others. Prostitution per se does not demean the practitioner anymore than collecting garbage demeans the sanitary worker; it is you who demeans prostitutes.
To make a public and judgmental distinction between the services provided by a sex worker and those provided by any other worker (a banker, a barber, a barista, a barrister, a body guard, a grocery bagger, a phlebotomist, a rumba instructor, a manure shoveler, a proctologist, a wine taster, massage therapist, a soldier, an astronaut etc.) is to make a display of your own sorry hangups. To make such judgmental distinctions here is both insulting and hypocritical.
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To think that sex work for 100% willing practitioners of the trade is degrading, etc. means you think that something is inherently wrong with sex... that's like thinking there's something wrong with eating or taking a shit. I think someone had a weird uncle with grabby hands growing up, screwed up the poor guy's wiring.
Re: Can You Be Considered High Class When You Sell Sex?
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Jamie French
To think that sex work for 100% willing practitioners of the trade is degrading, etc. means you think that something is inherently wrong with sex... that's like thinking there's something wrong with eating or taking a shit. I think someone had a weird uncle with grabby hands growing up, screwed up the poor guy's wiring.
I'm ok with YOU liking it. I don't like it FOR YOU, or for anyone else. Are you going to listen to me? No.
there was no weird uncle. I just think it is degrading that something intimate like sex gets diluted into one night stands, prostitution encounters. I generally think sex with strangers and for money is not even really sex, it's just a veiled form of subjugation through low self esteem and self destruction.
If YOU want to do it, fine. If you want to shout from a soap box "im a whore and proud of it" , go right ahead. But don't think you're somehow better than a streetwalker, or less for that matter.
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my my my... I find it absolutely hilarious that you are telling people who escort or sell a service related to sex that they're no better than a streetwalker, and yet you are attacking people for their choice of profession, which makes you trash, yourself. Honestly, you're a hypocrite.
As someone who grew up in wealth, I can absolutely assure you that money doesn't determine an individuals class. Neither does their profession, a persons character determines class and your character needs some serious work. You're entitled to a personal opinion. You aren't entitled to attack people because they don't share or agree with it.
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Did Hallmark teach you about the birds and the bees? Jeezus, you're not a 13 year old girl are you? Sex is as intimate as the circumstances dictate, in much the same way a nice dinner with family members on a special occasion can in fact be an occasion in and of itself VS. going to a McDonalds drive through on your way to a prostitutes hotel room. If you treat every action like it's a 10 on the importance scale ALL THE TIME you're gonna wind up living a sad, frustrating life. You're gonna die angry. Sex can be every bit as empty and recreational as eating nachos at a bowling ally - and it's absolutely fine when it is. Pedistools are so 2005. We all stopped putting stuff on ours... come, join the rest of us humans. There's still some room over there, off to the side for newbies.
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my my my!
I'm ok with YOU liking it. I don't like it FOR YOU, or for anyone else. Are you going to listen to me? No.
there was no weird uncle. I just think it is degrading that something intimate like sex gets diluted into one night stands, prostitution encounters. I generally think sex with strangers and for money is not even really sex, it's just a veiled form of subjugation through low self esteem and self destruction.
If YOU want to do it, fine. If you want to shout from a soap box "im a whore and proud of it" , go right ahead. But don't think you're somehow better than a streetwalker, or less for that matter.
Re: Can You Be Considered High Class When You Sell Sex?
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Skye
my my my... I find it absolutely hilarious that you are telling people who escort or sell a service related to sex that they're no better than a streetwalker, and yet you are attacking people for their choice of profession, which makes you trash, yourself. Honestly, you're a hypocrite.
As someone who grew up in wealth, I can absolutely assure you that money doesn't determine an individuals class. Neither does their profession, a persons character determines class and your character needs some serious work. You're entitled to a personal opinion. You aren't entitled to attack people because they don't share or agree with it.
i'm not attacking anyone, I just think it is sad that they do it. it's their prerogative.
and yes, i think it is ridiculous that one person who sells their body, somehow thinks they're "high class" compared to someone who buys cheaper condoms and lives in a cheaper area. they're both doing the same demeaning/degrading thing (in my opinion) , so why is one better aka "high class" than the other one? they're both in a questionable, dangerous and downright idiotic (if voluntary) profession.
I agree that money or profession does not influence "class", I've been saying that all along. that a "high class" prostitute is no better nor worse than a street walker.
My character is fine as far as I'm concerned. You might think it needs work, as that is your opinion. Just like I have mine.
