Peaceful resolution - Iran Nukes

The Iranians hated us long before they ousted the Shah. They hated us for propping up an arrogant, brutal dictator. He may have had good relations with the West, but not with his own people. A revolt is really democracy in action, albeit in its most extreme form. Other than hypocritical economic self interest, how does a Democracy ever support a dictatorship? Its inherently contradictory to what are supposed to be its core principles.

The Iraq/Iran War was our war, through a tyrannical proxy, trying to get back by force what we had lost by neglect. Which is a very strange way to win back the hearts and minds of the Iranians, don't you think? We cared about what their country could do for us way more than we cared about their lives. And to this day, thats what we project to them.

FK

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Originally Posted by Felicia Katt

The Iranians hated us long before they ousted the Shah. They hated us for propping up an arrogant, brutal dictator. He may have had good relations with the West, but not with his own people. A revolt is really democracy in action, albeit in its most extreme form. Other than hypocritical economic self interest, how does a Democracy ever support a dictatorship? Its inherently contradictory to what are supposed to be its core principles.

The Iraq/Iran War was our war, through a tyrannical proxy, trying to get back by force what we had lost by neglect. Which is a very strange way to win back the hearts and minds of the Iranians, don't you think? We cared about what their country could do for us way more than we cared about their lives. And to this day, thats what we project to them.

FK

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Felicia, you have the diagnosis on the money as usual. It can't be put anymore accurate....thank you for lending your insight to this post!

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Originally Posted by Felicia Katt

The Iranians hated us long before they ousted the Shah. They hated us for propping up an arrogant, brutal dictator. He may have had good relations with the West, but not with his own people. A revolt is really democracy in action, albeit in its most extreme form. Other than hypocritical economic self interest, how does a Democracy ever support a dictatorship? Its inherently contradictory to what are supposed to be its core principles.

The Iraq/Iran War was our war, through a tyrannical proxy, trying to get back by force what we had lost by neglect. Which is a very strange way to win back the hearts and minds of the Iranians, don't you think? We cared about what their country could do for us way more than we cared about their lives. And to this day, thats what we project to them.

FK

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I am with you on that.

My only point was that it wasn't the Iran/Iraq war that started the whole problem. And, that during the Shah's reign the GOVERNMENT wasn't hostile to the west (only to its own people!) But the Shah was a bad bastard no doubt, what with SAVAK and all.

Scipio you a fan of roman history? I am.

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Scipio you a fan of roman history? I am.

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Yep. Studied Ancient History at University (among other extraordinarily useful subjects).

Actually I do find it pretty relevant in light of current events, and the parallels between the USA and the Roman Empire.

Yes ther are too many for my taste, but hey the empire of the united states sounds kool to me. So long as there are no Goths banging down the gates. Oh wait there are lol. By the way i like that you picked Spicio as a screen name.

Scipio,

I suggest you google the name Mohammed Mossadegh. We did not merely prop up a brutal dictator, the Shah, we led the overthrow of his popularly elected predecessor. Mossadegh is still an honored figure for the Iranian people. They still harbor resentment over our handling of that little event.

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Scipio you a fan of roman history? I am.

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Yep. Studied Ancient History at University (among other extraordinarily useful subjects).

Actually I do find it pretty relevant in light of current events, and the parallels between the USA and the Roman Empire.

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History is one of my interests, with ancient history being perhaps my favorite. I've found Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War to be very relevant to today's events. To me, Sparta's overextension of itself following its victory in the Peloponnesian War presents a particularly strong parallel to US actions after the Cold War.

-Quinn

It boils down the this. We must have an even handed appraoch. What is good for IRan is good for Israel. And calling Israel on not following the rules is not anti-sematic. If the US made Israel get rid of its nukes and quit assasinating people and bulldozing homes and give back the land to the ooriginal borders then it would be a good start.

This while at the same time ading pressure to the Palestinian idiots who are committing suicide bombings and funing terrorists to stop what they are doing. Until the is an EVEN approach this roblem will never end.

And to whomever it was who said the Saudis are out allies.....little piece of fact for you: 15 hijackers, Osama, funding for multiple terrorist groups....all from SA. If I had friends like that I would be a loner.

LMAO... you cant make Israel stop anything. Here is a people that have been murdered for well over 2000yrs. They got blamed for everything from the Black Death to witchcraft. Not 61 years ago close to if not 6 million jews were killed by hitler. Now plz tell me how you are going to tell a people that were dam near exterminated to stop protecting themselfs. And as for the plo and other middle east grps, I'll back the jews over them anyday, main because it was the israel's land before the palestinian's. Make them stop lol thats like telling a cornered animal to lay down not goin to happen.