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I'll try to write a whole thing about this. I profoundly, strongly think that transexuality is biological. I'll try to give more stuff later...

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Originally Posted by Saint_Frankenstein

I know what you're talking about. I just don't know. I just look at history and androgynes are found all over the place. They were once highly respected as priests/priestesses in ancient cultures. So I really can't say that there's an increase in it. It might just seem so odd to our culture since it was driven underground for so long since the binary gender system was socially enforced for centuries, which included a harsh dichotomy between males and females, which was most popular in the 19th and 20th centuries. It seems that our cultural beliefs about masculinity are both old and new.

For example, if you look at the Greco-Roman world, there was a pretty big subset of gender variant males with their own socially permitted roles in society. But then gender variance was still made the butt of jokes and guys were encouraged to be "real" masculine men. Male femininity was allowed to an extent, but still looked down on. This extended to their social mores about sexuality. To the Greeks and Romans, it was fine for a male citizen to fuck another man in the ass or get a blowjob from him as long as the guy on the receiving end was not a member of his social class. To be penetrated was to be viewed as giving up your manhood and it was ridiculed. This same mentality still underlies modern Western and Middle Eastern views of male sexuality.

Even during the Christian era, views of gender were more complex then we would think. There are many canonized Saints, for example, who were cross dressers or otherwise gender benders and got along quite fine in the Christian community, with even females becoming monks. (Yes, it seems that the Vatican has forgotten its own very queer accepting history and has gone along with ignorant modern cultural revisionism.) So it seems that this harsh binary view of males and females really is more of a recent cultural thing that really came into the fore in the '50s.

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Yeah. The science is weak because 1) there's very little interest or funding for research in this area, 2) when people do stick their heads above the parapet, they get them shot off. The whole Blanchard/Bailey row has really discouraged any further investigation for a decade now.

Furthermore, because the apparent incidence of the expression of a particular syndrome may be increasing, that DOES NOT mean that the total number is increasing, because there will always be a population which suppresses their urges, and one which expresses them. We absolutely do know that many TG/TS people suppress their natures, some for their whole lives, but we have no way of accounting for this.

The total underlying rate, therefore, is the sum of both those who suppress and those who express, and it would be this rate that would be affected by any innate biological cause; however we have no idea whatsoever of what that rate is.

To make matters more confused, the ratio between suppression/expression appears to be governed by the culture the phenomenon is appearing in, and there is strong supporting evidence for this.

For instance, there is a clear relationship between a reduction of the social prejudice (and violence) against transgender and an increase in the apparent incidence (ie, people who are openly TG/TS).What this means is that even if there were a biological cause, socio-cultural influences are strong enough to mask its expression; nature is modified by nurture, if you like.

Furthermore, there is NO statistical base to work from, other than that done by Lynn Conway, which does not give any kind of historical timeline, just a reasonable estimate of incidence in ONE country, the US, at the time she did her research, and furthermore, while her method is convincing, her results have been widely challenged. (A similar exercise in the UK did produce similar results; however, the lack of control data means this could simply be a function of the method.)

Anyone suggesting that the underlying rates of TS/TG (that is the total of both those who suppress and those who express) are increasing, is going to have to come up with solid, hard statistical data to demonstrate that they actually are and also zero-out the cultural influences. There is just no work, anywhere, that would be of any help here and without that, anyone arguing the toss is just shooting the breeze.

You cannot say TS/TG is on the increase, when you do not know either what the actual statistical incidence is now or what it was in the past, in other words. It's all pure conjecture.

How many of the 'Pretend TV/CDs' are Tops, or Vers?

Many of the TG ladies on this forum say they don't enjoy topping. They only do it to pay the bills. They feel like women where it counts, on the inside.

However these TVs are only 'Pretend' TVs. They don't identify as women, in any way, and don't dress for the reason actual TVs dress.

Since a lot of guys at this forum are interested in being topped, finding a passable 'pretend' TV, who enjoys using her penis, might be the solution to the problem.

What if NYC had a Top/Verse only party every once in a while? Would there be enough ladies, and not 'pretend' tops to make the night worthwhile?