Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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SFTB
Hey stinkypeter, where did I say I prove he's not a racist? Instead of being a reactionary shithead, and making my words what they arent, read it just like I wrote it.
I believe he's and asshole with a gun. Just like I believe your an asshole with a keyboard. I havent proved your an asshole with a keyboard, but I do believe it so.
I see you've exhausted your studies and have gone to name calling. Typical. Here's what you said: "Those of you convinced he's a racist vigilante will never be convinced otherwise, I think he's an idiot with a gun who ended one life and ruined quite a few lives."
I'm sorry, does that not imply that you think he was not racist. Wasn't the WHOLE point of your post to imply that this was not racially charged. Don't get mad at me because poking holes in the garbage that come out of your mouth is easy.
And also, don't get tough because you're behind your computer. Eithe prove me wrong or don't say anything at all.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
If your point wasn't to downplay the racial aspect of this whole thing why post anything at all? You said those who think he's racist will never be convinced otherwise. Haven't you been trying to convince them otherwise THIS ENTIRE TIME.
Call me an asshole all you want (from the comforts of your computer of course) but if you don't want to look foolish don't say foolish things. You're still a pup when it comes to making an argument. Perhaps you can practice on a fried before you make anymore statements that way there's not need for you to get mad when you get called on what you're saying.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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Originally Posted by
StinkyPete1000
I see you've exhausted your studies and have gone to name calling. Typical. Here's what you said: "Those of you convinced he's a racist vigilante will never be convinced otherwise, I think he's an idiot with a gun who ended one life and ruined quite a few lives."
I'm sorry, does that not imply that you think he was not racist.
So now you've changed it from , "I've proven he's not a racist" to I'm implying he's not a racist. You did include my quote. When you whittle your reactinary bullshit down enough to get to my exact words, that I think he's an idiot with a gun, you'll finally be speaking the truth about what I wrote.
You might want to look at yourself. You dont attack the other posters in this thread for saying things like, "He was shot because he's black" or titling the thread "black kid shot while walking through white suburbia" and then failing to mention "By a Hispanic" Are you so hellbent on race that you cant accept this thread was tainted from the beginning? Did white suburbia influence Hispanic vigilantes to crusade against black youths? Or did an idiot cop wannabe kill someone?
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
And at the very least, your point was that this incident was not racially charged (which is different than saying he's racist of course). But the support for that argument was the 911 call. My point was that the fact that he doesn't mention the boy's race means nothing. Find better support. Beforehand, you were posting articles about completely unrelated stories. My point then was also that it didn't support your argument. I get your point, but come on, I hope you understand that what you're saying isn't helping your point at all. It's literally nonsensical.
I can see that you've got this typing thing down to a science (get it) I'm just trying to get you to use your noodle while you type.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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Originally Posted by
SFTB
So now you've changed it from , "I've proven he's not a racist" to I'm implying he's not a racist. You did include my quote. When you whittle your reactinary bullshit down enough to get to my exact words, that I think he's an idiot with a gun, you'll finally be speaking the truth about what I wrote.
You might want to look at yourself. You dont attack the other posters in this thread for saying things like, "He was shot because he's black" or titling the thread "black kid shot while walking through white suburbia" and then failing to mention "By a Hispanic" Are you so hellbent on race that you cant accept this thread was tainted from the beginning? Did white suburbia influence Hispanic vigilantes to crusade against black youths? Or did an idiot cop wannabe kill someone?
Oh boy. First, a quick lesson: Hispanic is not a race (I feel like a broken record) so including that in the title means nothing. Second, yes I've been so focused on race that I've posted other news stories about white people being shot to prove a point, posted a 911 call waiting to hear of the caller would mention race, and spent my time tryin to convince people this was not about race. Yup. I'm sure focused on race.
My beef from the very beginning has been less with the shooter and more with how this whole thing was handled. It really doesn't matter WHY he was shot (which is why I see no reason to answer those that say they know why he was shot). He could have been shot for wearing a hung angels t-shirt. The true tragedy is how law enforcement appear to have handled the situation. In my opinion that's when race probably reared it's ugly head.
There have been tons of articles written about how race plays a crucial role in criminal investigations and the subsequent prosecution. So setting aside the reasons for the actual shooting, the second part (the investigation, arrests, etc) just demonstrate how race still plays a role in many aspects of our lives including the criminal justice system.
In fact, there is a running joke in certain prosecutors offices (which I will not mention) that you're a crappy defense lawyer if you can't work out a good deal for a white client. http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/vie...prosecution%22
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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StinkyPete1000
And at the very least, your point was that this incident was not racially charged (which is different than saying he's racist of course). But the support for that argument was the 911 call. My point was that the fact that he doesn't mention the boy's race means nothing. Find better support. Beforehand, you were posting articles about completely unrelated stories. My point then was also that it didn't support your argument. I get your point, but come on, I hope you understand that what you're saying isn't helping your point at all. It's literally nonsensical.
I can see that you've got this typing thing down to a science (get it) I'm just trying to get you to use your noodle while you type.
Now you've bactracked from I've proven, to I'm implying, to now it's "the point I'm trying to make"
When you get to what I wrote, after listening to the tapes, I think he's an idiot with a gun. My beliefs from what I have listened to. I didnt start a thread mentioning 2 races and leaving out the race of the shooter.
I've posted articles here where race was definitely an issue, the criminals said they were attacking the victims because of the color of their skin. My point was in these cases no hate crime was prosecuted. This guy in Sanford is an idiot with a gun, you are trying to figure what was in his heart and mind, you cant do that, anymore than you can twist my words when what I wrote is right there. You can believe whatever you want.
You cant make a race thing out of an idiot with a gun thing.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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StinkyPete1000
Hispanic is not a race
http://www.census.gov/population/www.../hispanic.html
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
George Zimmerman's 911 call. This guy is deranged.
George Zimmerman 911 call reporting Trayvon Martin - YouTube
Florida's 2005 'Stand Your Ground' law is allowing assholes to literally get away with murder.
“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
Unbelievable.
All you have to do is tell a cop,' I thought Mr. X was going to kill me(with his bare hands) and in most cases if you murder someone after some altercation, most Florida law enforcement won't prosecute. No investigation, no nothing.
The other person doesn't even have to be armed.
Basically if you get in a public shouting match with someone, they have the right under Florida law to smoke you, if they claim they were afraid you were going to kill them first.
50/50 nothing happens to Zimmerman, even though he was stalking his victim.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
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Originally Posted by
SFTB
And? How does this prove me wrong? Because its on the census?? Seriously? Hispanic is a term used to describe a group of people who represent multiple races. That is why there are both black and white puertoricans but both can describe themselves as Hispanic. Come on dude. Read something.
Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
"Now you've bactracked from I've proven, to I'm implying, to now it's "the point I'm trying to make"
Not backtracking at all. If your reasoning for pointing out that the shooter did not mention the victim's race was NOT to support your point that he wasn't racist then what was your reasoning? My point (using "and at the very least") was meant to preempt any backtracking on your part. It's simple, if your focus on his failure to mention race on the 911 call was NOT to prove that he's not racist, then at the very least it was meant to prove that the crime was not racially motivated. But guess what, in either case, the fact that he didn't mention race is moot. Making that point is useless, unless you've got proof that his failure to mention race has meaning. You've not made that argument. So if I got it all wrong, why mention the fact that he didn't mention race at all?
"When you get to what I wrote, after listening to the tapes, I think he's an idiot with a gun. My beliefs from what I have listened to. I didnt start a thread mentioning 2 races and leaving out the race of the shooter."
I don't disagree that he's an idiot. So we agree on one thing. But idiots are certainly capable of making mistakes based on prejudice. You've concluded that he was simply an idiot why? Because he didn't mention the boy's race on the call? Again, that is not logical reasoning. You're playing down the racial aspect of this case because of that one fact. That's short-sighted. Like I said before, my problem is with how the police have handled this but the 911 call establishes nothing.
And, for the last time: Hispanic is not a race, even if it is on the census form. Look at Latin America as a whole. There are people of all races (the ex-president of Peru was of Japanese ethnicity but was a peruvian citizen). The word "hispanic" is a term used to pigeon whole the various cultures of Latin America simply because they speak the same language. I'm of puertorican descent and I can tell you that our culture has very little in common with Argentinian culture for example but you'd still classify us as Hispanic, right? It doesn't make any sense. While Spanish may be the common language, the individuals speaking the language are of many different races.
http://campello.tripod.com/hispanic.html
In fact, the 2010 census was updated to make it clear that Hispanic was NOT a race, it says: "For this census, Hispanic origins are not races." But I guess you wouldn't know that since your parents still fill your census out.
Race and ethnicity in the United States Census - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"I've posted articles here where race was definitely an issue, the criminals said they were attacking the victims because of the color of their skin. My point was in these cases no hate crime was prosecuted. This guy in Sanford is an idiot with a gun, you are trying to figure what was in his heart and mind, you cant do that, anymore than you can twist my words when what I wrote is right there. You can believe whatever you want."
First, your articles are unrelated to this case so using them as examples is pointless. So they were clearly about race but not classified a hate crime...ok. So your problem should be with whoever makes that classification but it doesn't mean anything here. The fact that they were not classified as hate crimes is not the issue. The real issue, at least in my opinion, is how the criminal was treated. If the criminal was quickly arrested and punished, then the hate crime classification is meaningless. Obviously, if this crime here was classified as a hate crime, then that classification means nothing since Zimmerman has not yet been arrested.
I'm not trying to figure out what's in his heart. In fact, I mentioned earlier that my problem is with how this case was handled. Even if it wasn't racially motivated, it's still troubling that a young, unarmed black child can be murdered and the shooter can still walk around a free man while the investigation continues. It's weird that I'm the one trying to figure out what's in his heart when you've already concluded that he's just an idiot with a gun and that this was not racially motivated. How is that NOT trying to figure out what's in his heart?
