WHY.....do you girls insist on going to this place. It never seems to end well.
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WHY.....do you girls insist on going to this place. It never seems to end well.
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/01/b...itating-women/
shit! ...i'm sincerely hoping they get only get deported and get back to their
home Brazil safely so they can never go back to that horror again.
It's not like they weren't warned...they just didn't listen. Just sayin...
Asian Phoenixx had a pretty harrowing experience there a few years back. I believe she was in a male prison cell for several months.
Tourism in Dubai is a great mystery to me as well. Visiting Dubai would be a lot like visiting North Korea if it had a flashy resort city. Even if Dubai makes for a cheap luxury vacation, why would you ever give an autocratic de facto slave society the legitimacy of your tourism dollars?
hairdresser is code for hooker btw....also aesthetician, real estate agent, and massage or nail technician/therapist
I don't think Dubai is that cheap.
"When the security staff saw that their registered names were masculine, they said they were subjected to further abuse."
Not very smart IMHO. They go to the UAE to work as prostitutes in a country were if you're caught you're in deep trouble... and to work as transgendered prostitutes which makes it even worst... and they go there with their passports carrying their "masculine registered names", that's the true definition of stupidity.
To be really honest, I'm impressed they made it through customs and immigration and all the way to the hotel before being detained.
Not surprised - it's a muslim country that isn't Indonesia or Malaysia. I hope Maddygirl is reading this. A few months ago she was asking for opinions about going there and I advised against it but got shouted down by a few Islamophiles who suggested she go and enjoy herself since Dubai is a wonderfully enlightened place and muslims are terribly misunderstood.
Lina Cavalli got deported from Dubai last week too. She messaged me to let me know....in Russian of course. :-)
Crazy thing is I have had a few guys from Dubai hire me here in States... those men love tgirls and ones with curves! LOL
Ive been offered absolutely obscene amounts of cash many times to go over there for a weekend or more, no matter how outrageous and attractive the amount was I never even considered it for a moment.
Absolutely. It's the chance to make a huge amount of money in a short period of time. But the consequences if caught are pretty horrible
Money doesn't talk, it swears. its pure Obscenity, its the worst thing this world ever came up with and money makes people do all kinds of things that they wouldnt do otherwise whether its hurting others or hurting themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by tao1kiku
Thankfully I never put that much value on it to let it do that kind of harm.
Answer to question 1,The more taboo something is in any culture the highest its value on the black market and the more fancy hat market and its consumers come.Quote:
Originally Posted by CORVETTEDUDE
As to point 2.Risk I suppose. I doubt wo many people in transition actually think that Shiite or Suni societies could live with bitching chicks with impressive penises. Well ofcourse not, so there's the rub… reward with a serious risk,
So from the responses i'm gathering that the two knew the risks but went anyway due to the allure of insane money?
its not insane money, but its one of the better places in the world to escort. Some cities just seen to attract larger amounts of escorts than others...
when it comes to escorting a good rule of thumb for them is to clear 1000 US dollars per day for the length of the trip after expenses (flight, hotel, ad, food, etc). so if they work 10 days and come home with 10,000 US dollars after expenses...thats a good trip
now also remember how far 10,000 US dollars goes in Brazil.
London, Paris, Sydney, Dubai, New York City are the big 5 worldwide for high class escorting
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Originally Posted by christianxxx
I remember how far it USED to go. It's not so alluring now but of course, Dubai has always been one of the places that female escorts can do well (and there are a fair few ladyboys working there also).
I'll probably visit for the F1 at some point but ensure the laptop is spotless and I haven't been around anyone smoking weed for a while.
Not at all like North Korea. There are quite a few British people who have a second home in Dubai for the winter; Dubai hosts sporting events through the year (Tennis, Formula 1) and it also provides work for hundreds of thousands of Filipinos who would probably be unemployed at home. It might be naive to think the two Brazilians were not there to earn money as escorts, but it doesn't say that in the article. Caution should always be used when visiting countries like Dubai, and not just for transgendered visitors. Some people with prescription drugs have been arrested if they couldn't prove their doctor prescribed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsmirandameadows
A few things in this article make no sense to me:
These trans women are hairdressers and they have all this money to go to Dubai...hairdressers don't make all that much.
Vacation in Dubai? There's nothing there but malls, skyscrapers and desert...and the sex police...of course, there's money there too but they're hairdressers on vacation, they're not there looking for money.
Ok, let's say these trans women do have the money to go to Dubai...if they're smart enough to get the money together for a trip like this they're smart enough to get information about the potential dangers.
And then what, they were detained 2 days and now they're released and giving interviews while they're still there?
No, something is missing here.
bro, did you even read my post?
Yeah, the article said they're hairdressers, not escorts...if they would have been busted for prostitution the treatment would have been much mote harsh.
Why any Trans would want to visit these places ruled by these religious nut jobs is beyond me, the risks are far to great .. sure you can have a nice time etc but if it goes pete tong then your in a world of shit . .. I did some work in Dubai pre transition and it was mental back then there is no way on earth I would set foot in that hole again as a TS .
Hope they get out in a few months without to much mental/physical damage to themselves .
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Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
why?
It's obviously money.
Actually it's not only money. Middle East, Dubai in particular, is a good place to transit, from North America to Asia.
It has everything from good food, food shopping, night life to gorgeous boys. Perfect place to spend for few days.
So while transiting, why not working at the same time?
I've been there 4 times. A week each time. the first three visits earning between 15-20 K. It's good, but i can earn that money too here in USA.
Then, i have some reviews in Arabic, and this is one of key factors for the upscale Arabs men to see good quality escorts, similar to here in USA.
And boom...I earn 80K in 4.5 days before getting arrested.
Most probably the highest earning escort in the country at the time.
My website was popular in the country, and the government detected it, and did some further research and finally found me working.
All the money was taken, so it's completely waste.
It's an experience.
80K is a lot of money, but at the end of the day, I prefer my freedom rather than staying in jail for almost 4 months.
A lesson to remember
its not that hard to comprehend...Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
you are joking right....let me say this one more time....those 2 are 100 percent escorts. are you for real?Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
your numbers are absolutely fucking hilarious. i love your stories haahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by asianphoenixx
just to be clear the prince of dubai was bringing over famous porn stars for 3-4 days at a time and they weren't making what you claim. you gotta invent lower numbers. good lord.
Wait... those are REAL offers? I've always just considered them "Prince of Nigera" type things. I am going to answer the next one I get but ask to go to Mars instead. I want to introduce the doughnut shaped rocks there to the ladies.Quote:
Originally Posted by TempestTS
I opened up a FB page recently and I think about 3/4 of the friend requests I got at first were all Arabic-related guys. Is that a normal thing? Meh... they don't seem to bother me so friends is friends, right?
Are you implying that 2 trans hairdressers from Amazonas, Brazil having carefully assessed all their big-city vacation options - Paris, Barcelona, London, Moscow, Singapore, Hong Kong, New York, Bangkok - prudently decided to head to one of the most rigid, religio-fascist, homophobic parts of the world to shop and go bar-hopping without having ulterior motives? How dare you!Quote:
Originally Posted by christianxxx
....and here you go again.....just because something sounds absolutely ridiculous and improbable can't you just suspend your disbelief for a moment and just accept it as fact!? C'mon man, the world would be a dull place without fictional accounts of experiences in far-flung places ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by christianxxx
Are you for real? First, I only went by what the article said...second, there's no way the Dubai police lets them go after 2 days and then allows them to give interviews...and my point anyway was that there were numerous inconsistencies in the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by christianxxx
Of course, they likely followed you the whole time...it's easy for them to hack your phone and your computer and then set you up to steal your money.Quote:
Originally Posted by asianphoenixx
So because there's some money there, it's not at all an autocratic society? And the "work" you speak of for Filipinos, Indians, and Malays has routinely been exposed as little more than indentured servitude, whre the managers of these migrant works confiscate their passports, delay wage payments by months or years at a time, cram them into living quarters where it's 12 to a room with hotbunking, and then have complicit police harass, beat, and arrest any worker who tries to complain or escape. It is de facto slavery. Dubai, like North Korea, is evil to it's core, and no amount of Formula 1 racing or five star hotels is going to change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately too many Westerners are blinded by the Chanel perfume, Gucci handbags, Rolex watches, and Hermes scarves which have been used to mask the underlying shit that is the Middle East. The people who run things over there understand perfectly well what appeals the most to Westerners in general and Europeans in particular: Fashion, Football, and F1. If those things exist in an autocratic, repressive country then it becomes more palatable as a place of 'culture' worthy of high praise and vacation recommendations.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsmirandameadows
My fiancee happens to be a Filipina who worked in Jordan and Lebanon and I can relate stories from her about the treatment she and dozens of her compatriots experienced over there that would shock most of the Middle East sympathizers here. Rape is common. Physical abuse is common. Mental and emotional abuse is the norm. And worse, even if they complain to local police they are guaranteed to be mistreated by the police and later the employer.
But hey, if you throw in the 3Fs all is well.
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Originally Posted by tsmirandameadows
Welcome to N.America.
Glass houses and all that.
I'm not saying Dubai is as bad as some places, but when it comes to transphobia and homophobia, I imagine it is far worse than most Western countries. They have banned books with gay characters (The Gulf Between Us) and their openness to outsiders also leaves something to be desired. In 2009, Israeli tennis player Shahar Peer was not allowed to compete there.
When asked about it, the tournament director said that her presence there would incite anger. The next year she was allowed to play, but was not allowed to socialize with other players under the pretext of security. The implication was that even allowing her to go about her business could get her killed!
I'm not saying that Dubai doesn't have tense relations (in fact no diplomatic relations) with Israel, but I think it's extremely disingenuous to pretend that a professional tennis player's mere presence will antagonize people simply because of where she's from. Only a very nasty prejudice would allow someone to make that argument and expect it to be taken at face value.
Of course, banning books with gay characters, and banning athletes because of where they are form does not bode well for anyone who might violate some of their cultural norms.
I like your last statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
I don't think Europe or North America should be the moral police of the rest of the world. We don't have to like the norms of any given culture but we should respect it when visiting. Along with that though, I think it's important that we acknowledge where 'their' culture differs from 'our' culture and the dangers inherent for 'us' visiting 'them'. I think any gay or trans-person choosing to visit a Muslim country is taking a foolish risk in the same way a woman form North America is taking a risk by exposing any part of her body when visiting Saudi Arabia. What pisses me off are the apologists who constantly try to affirm that the Middle East is no different than Europe or North America because they have money or the trappings of wealth.
America where the libraries are full of tearsQuote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
where houses sit empty foreclosed on by banks while the homeless wander the streets in rags or naked and freezing
Where we convince ourselves that freedom is right around the corner just so long as we dont speak the truth
Where we have the police force watching the people and its ok to protest against love and marriage but you better not protest against the banks
Where politicians brag of our great work ethic and trot out a 70 year old grand mother who is proud to still work 3 jobs
But no one bothers to ask why she has to...
Welcome to America
I agree. I am not sure what the risk is from country to country in the Middle East, but if you can be arrested for "impersonating a male", and you are transgendered, the risk of going to the country is too great. I would not visit a country where homosexuality is illegal or books are banned because of subversive cultural content.Quote:
Originally Posted by runningdownthatdream
I know we do have our problems in the United States, and there is still homophobia embedded in the culture, but not to that degree. We have a great cultural divide over this issue, but the U.S Supreme Court has actually said that criminalizing sex acts between consenting adults is unconstitutional. So, not only is it not illegal, but there is some guarantee that there won't be a reversion to that bygone era.
There are differences between North Korea and Dubai.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsmirandameadows
1) I can get on a plane tomorrow and visit Dubai, no visa required -not so with North Korea.
2) When I get to Dubai I can stay in any hotel I want -something I cannot do in North Korea where a) there aren't that many hotels, and b) foreign tourists are assigned a specific hotel.
3) I am free to travel around Dubai whenever I want, by foot, by car, by taxi, by subway, presumably by donkey, horse or camel but I can't confirm the latter three. I am not free to travel around North Korea and will be escorted wherever I want to go, having been given permission to go which in many cases is not given.
4) I can go to Dubai and shop till I drop; I can go to Dubai and not shop at all. I am not sure if there are shops in North Korea.
5) There are night clubs in Dubai, I don't believe there are any in North Korea.
6) Ask someone from the Philippines if they would like to work in Dubai and I reckon 80 out of 100 would say yes. According to the Consul General of the Philippines in Dubai:
"...the number of applications for passport renewals and similar activity at the consulate in Dubai itself has increased by about 200 per cent since December 2012.
“These are signs that the employment opportunity in the UAE and especially in Dubai is growing. There is a demand for more manpower and, fortunately, our nationals are the ones who are benefited,” he says.
The UAE, he says, has become the most preferred country in the GCC and the Middle East for Philippines nationals travelling abroad for employment.
“This country provides a safe and vibrant lifestyle which is unique,” he says.
http://www.emirates247.com/news/emir...06-03-1.508899
-The opportunities for foreign workers in North Korea is =0.
Of the Filipino transexuals I know, 100% would love to visit Dubai for a holiday.
7) Working conditions in the UAE and in Dubai are not ideal, living conditions in the UAE and Dubai are not ideal, but the key point is that the Filipinos, the Indians and Pakistanis, the Bangadeshi and Sri Lankan and Nepalese workers will trade creature comforts for a wage that supports the family back home -that is the bottom line. There can be no comparison with North Korea because there are no comparable foreign working communities there.
-I once worked a low-wage job in the rural South of France and was given living quarters with no running water or toilet. Water was collected from a well in the boss's yard across the way, the fields were my toilet. I did not complain. I was broke and glad for the work.
7) Slavery does not offer its workers any rights, least of all the right to resign from a job and 'go home'. As far as I know, most foreign workers in the UAE and Dubai can resign and go home any time they want, so the comparison with slavery is wrong.
Dubai is not heaven on earth, neither is North Korea; are both autocracies? Yes in their own way, with degrees of flexibility for people who behave themselves. If you know Muslims do not drink alcohol then adapt, and don't expect to have wine with your meals, or retire to a lounge for whisky and cigars, even though that can be done. Comparing the UAE and Dubai to life in Europe or North America is unfair, neither country even pretends to be similar. As long as you know what to expect in either Dubai or North Korea you need not be outraged or surprised, if neither place holds any interest for you, then don't go. I know one transgendered Filipino who will not set foot in Australia, for obvious reasons.