We're Not Gay And We're Not Straight

Are guys like us who are into TGirls totally straight? I say no. We are turned on by male genitalia after all (even though it's "attached" to a feminine form). Let's be real about that.

Are we gay? Again, I say no. Gay means you are sexually attracted to the male persona.

Bisexual? Not in the generally accepted meaning.

And what about those of us who are exclusively into TGirls, or those of us into GG's and TG's?

So what are we? There really isn't a word or terminology for us...not that I really care one way or the other what someone wants to label me, but I'm just saying we're in some sort of in between thing that isn't easily categorized.

Either way, I accept myself for who I am.

We are human thats what we are,not matter what we are as long as is pleasureble for the both sides.x

From the moment you are in this "scene" , wether u be a tranny or a dude, the "straight" vs "gay" dogma is of no use any more.

The sexual identity crises of the cisgender male when it comes to trans women are hilarious to me. You poor dears -having to figure out who you are.

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Originally Posted by Ms.Stepford

The sexual identity crises of the cisgender male when it comes to trans women are hilarious to me. You poor dears -having to figure out who you are.

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No ego problems on your side of the fence I see. Plenty judgmental tho.

I'm a woman point blank period and the men i deal worth are straight regardless of what we do sexually.stop over analyzing everything and go find something to do

Definitely no ego problems. I don't see where I'm judgmental either.

Seriously though, the struggle for straight dudes to feel straight is funny to me because I've been a weirdo queer since as far as I can remember, and fuck I'm just glad that I can pass the process of coming to terms with oneself on, so you can find out that...surprise, you're just run-of-the-mill horny dudes who just want to get their dicks wet, and probably don't have the guts to be queer anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ms.Stepford

The sexual identity crises of the cisgender male when it comes to trans women are hilarious to me. You poor dears -having to figure out who you are.

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Lol...condescend to me, it turns me on...BTW, nice pose, love to pound you some time...

Do we really have to have this one again?

a) who cares.
b) you're whatever you want to be, when you want to be it.

^ FYI its not much fun figuring it all out in your own head. At one point, I was really depressed and almost flunked out during my last year of uni. I went to see a therapist and he told me that I have become to masculine features so that I wasn't necessarily gay. Then he proceeded to explain that I could "un-gay" myself by focusing on my attraction to feminine women. I thought it was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard because I love TS and I am hugely attracted to them and I didn't want to change that. I never went back, I regret nothing.

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

I'm a woman point blank period and the men i deal worth are straight regardless of what we do sexually.stop over analyzing everything and go find something to do

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See, I knew one of you were going to take it that way...and don't bust on those of us who wish to over-analyze...inquiring minds want to know...lol.

I don't usually feel the need to get into this type of debate simply because there is no 'right' or 'wrong' answer. We all are who we are--plain and simple. Notwithstanding that, though, I had a revelation of sorts a week or so ago while logging on here and seeing a picture of Buck something or other--the transman. He's a woman transitioning to a man and by all accounts looks like a man with a cunt. At seeing his picture, I shivered simply because I am not attracted to masculinity. Now, even though he's genetically a woman, there is not a damn thing feminine about him, save the hole between his legs. Then I thought, shit, if wanting to fuck a m to f transitioning person makes me gay because they are genetic men making the switch to femininity vs. wanting to fuck Buck, who is a genetic woman, it's no debate, I'd grease up some fine tranny ass and get to pounding. The irony is that I'm sure most guys who spit on the ground at the mention of banging a m to f transsexual would jump at them with their dick out if pressed to choose between them or a f to m transsexual.

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Originally Posted by dderek123

^ FYI its not much fun figuring it all out in your own head. At one point, I was really depressed and almost flunked out during my last year of uni. I went to see a therapist and he told me that I have become to masculine features so that I wasn't necessarily gay. Then he proceeded to explain that I could "un-gay" myself by focusing on my attraction to feminine women. I thought it was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard because I love TS and I am hugely attracted to them and I didn't want to change that. I never went back, I regret nothing.

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Yeah, I gotcha. But none of it is as heavy to figure out in your head than that you're trans when you're four.

Congrats on knowing what you want and getting it! :)

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Originally Posted by nysprod

See, I knew one of you were going to take it that way...and don't bust on those of us who wish to over-analyze...inquiring minds want to know...lol.

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Take it in what way, I'm just being captain obvious

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Do we really have to have this one again?

a) who cares.
b) you're whatever you want to be, when you want to be it.

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It's a new one for me...it's catharsis...

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Originally Posted by Ms.Stepford

Definitely no ego problems. I don't see where I'm judgmental either.

Seriously though, the struggle for straight dudes to feel straight is funny to me because I've been a weirdo queer since as far as I can remember, and fuck I'm just glad that I can pass the process of coming to terms with oneself on.

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I get your sentiment, but not everyone evolves at the same rate, if you get my drift. Some folks suddenly find themselves neck deep in it and wonder how they got there instead of simply appreciating the fact that their horizons have become expanded (perhaps certain body parts too). :D

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Lol...condescend to me, it turns me on...BTW, nice pose, love to pound you some time...

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Anytime!

So what's not straight about how you see the curve of my waist to my ass and want to fuck me?

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Are we gay? Again, I say no. Gay means you are sexually attracted to the male persona.

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i don't think gay means you are interested in male persona. there are actually many types of gay identities such as bears, twinks, effeminate/flamboyant or gay guys that look/act straight (i.e. you'd never know).

being gay means you're attracted to someone with the same sex or gender as yourself.

so as an example: if you know a butch lesbian who falls in love with a guy who in fact turns out to be a girl (but has been living as a male)- they're both gay.

Many of you will find this video informative if you can sit still for 18 minutes.

Google, I O Tillet Wright: Fifty shades of gay.

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Originally Posted by Bobzz

I get your sentiment, but not everyone evolves at the same rate, if you get my drift. Some folks suddenly find themselves neck deep in it and wonder how they got there instead of simply appreciating the fact that their horizons have become expanded (perhaps certain body parts too). :D

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Those who haven't evolved to keep up with me are what I eat :D

The way I look at it is I gave up trying to figure it out because it really didn't matter. Those are labels. As far as I am concerned if you are with someone and you are happy then the rest doesn't matter. My gf and I have discussed this and we finally said f*** it and live our lives the way we want to without trying to figure out what I am. Her transition journey would be a much heavier trip than anything I could come up with. Just my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Ms.Stepford

Anytime!

So what's not straight about how you see the curve of my waist to my ass and want to fuck me?

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Nothing...but I would want to give you head first...

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Originally Posted by Tim&Erin

The way I look at it is I gave up trying to figure it out because it really didn't matter. Those are labels. As far as I am concerned if you are with someone and you are happy then the rest doesn't matter. My gf and I have discussed this and we finally said f*** it and live our lives the way we want to without trying to figure out what I am. Her transition journey would be a much heavier trip than anything I could come up with. Just my thoughts.

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i think that's a great way to live, but i'm just curious: what do you write when you get forums that request your orientation? do you just write "i don't care what i am" or something like that?

So if a woman has an enlarged clitoris (like 2 to 3 inches) is going down on her gay?
If you have vaginal sex with a trans man is that heterosexual?
If your gg partner fucks you with a strap on what's that?
Or if your gg girlfriend is intersexed with a vaginia but has testicles internally?
You see how stupid shit like this is smh

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Nothing...but I would want to give you head first...

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Nothing wrong with a gentleman making a lady happy ;)

Actually never had that happen. This is the only one I am on. Good question though. If they had a box for whatever I would hit that one. Lol

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

i don't think gay means you are interested in male persona. there are actually many types of gay identities such as bears, twinks, effeminate/flamboyant or gay guys that look/act straight (i.e. you'd never know).

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Yes, but they all personify as male.

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

being gay means you're attracted to someone with the same sex or gender as yourself.

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Exactly my point...TGirls are not the same sex or gender as me (us). I (we) are unquestionably male.

We are unisex:banana:

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Originally Posted by Ms.Stepford

Nothing wrong with a gentleman making a lady happy ;)

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Oh, don't get me wrong...I'm quite happy with myself and where I am...

Asked of me "Ed are ya gay?"

Me: "If you knew everything I have done you would run screaming....I am a damned sight beyond gay"

I ain't gay but I sure as hell ain't straight!

Ed knows how to party!

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

So if a woman has an enlarged clitoris (like 2 to 3 inches) is going down on her gay?
If you have vaginal sex with a trans man is that heterosexual?
If your gg partner fucks you with a strap on what's that?
Or if your gg girlfriend is intersexed with a vaginia but has testicles internally?
You see how stupid shit like this is smh

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id' say the woman with the enlarged clitoris probably someone with an engorged clit (perhaps a hereditary condition or just an embarrassing mutation of that piece of genitalia) so going down on her makes one straight (unless they're female).

i'd say having sex with a transman (if you're a male) is a hetrosexual act because this is a masculine woman. there are actually some women who look like transmen but aren't- they're just extremely masculine in appearance and (in some cases) not lesbians.

if you're girlfriend fucks you with a strap-on i'd say you're bissexual because you're replicating a homosexual act with a heterosexual partner.

if you're girlfriend is inter-sexed i'd say you're bissexual because even they have both sexes

that "shit" wasn't "stupid" at all. the thing that makes it complex is when people bring their feels/wishes/personal opinions into play- but by definition, it's smart as paint.

think of it like this: imagine if 10,000 years from now someone were to excavate a burial site and discover some buried bones in a casket. they remove the bones and just by performing carbon dating, they find that both those individuals were female. they may have lived as man and wife, or wife and wife or just lovers (you'd never know unless some record remains), but just by the bones, you'd know they were female.

a modern example would be pharaoh hatshepsut of egypt. she lived as a male pharoah despite being born female. do we acknowledge her as a male? nope.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Yes, but they all personify as male.

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really? isn't this a generalization? if you want, i can screencap for you what a particular gay male said on another forum that will contradict your statement.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Exactly my point...TGirls are not the same sex or gender as me (us). I (we) are unquestionably male.

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what are you going by to come to this conclusion?

let me ask you a hypothetical question: if someone were in need of medical help and the paramedics asked "please tell me the gender of this person" and you knew they were female to male transsexual- what would be your answer?

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Originally Posted by Ms.Stepford

Yeah, I gotcha. But none of it is as heavy to figure out in your head than that you're trans when you're four.

Congrats on knowing what you want and getting it! :)

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Yeah the two paths in life can't be compared but life is short. You gotta get it right the first time around. :salad

In an FtM trans man, their gender is male.

Their sex is, until we fix the broken way we talk about things, female.

Realize, this is just the way we've been taught to talk about it, by thousands of years of cissexist thought.

Seems this topic picked up it's own thread. Here's my 2 cents:

I don't think we need a third category here. There's straight and gay. Homosexuality by definition means attracted to the same sex.

I'm not. I'm attracted to women. Transexuals look, act, and smell like women. The fact that they have a penis is just a kinky taboo irony. I look at my cock all the time, and cock is all over porn, so it's not like I'm offended by cock. When I take in the whole sight of a transexual girl, the entire form is still very much feminine and that's what I'm attracted to.

As for being a bottom, that too is not necessarily gay in my mind.

A) Anal stimulation feels good, and it's a known fact that many straight couples practice it (on the guy)
B) I'm in touch with my feminine side (which we all have). Not so much that I'm going around all flamboyant like a stereotypical gay dude, but I do envy the pussy power, and how sexy women are, and sometimes I want to be worshiped like that too.

But at the end of the day, I'd man up and do whatever a typical straight guy does. I see myself wanting a wife, and kids, and a normal straight life and being very content with that.

Most GG girls I've dated are snobby little princesses. Not that TS girls are much better, but I hoped that since we have something more in common <cough> that it would be easier to get along with them.

Generally speaking that's been true. On this forum, not so much.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

So what are we? There really isn't a word or terminology for us...not that I really care one way or the other what someone wants to label me, but I'm just saying we're in some sort of in between thing that isn't easily categorized.

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Headfucked!
Once you accept that, ... :shrug

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Originally Posted by tluva

Most GG girls I've dated are snobby little princesses. Not that TS girls are much better, but I hoped that since we have something more in common <cough> that it would be easier to get along with them.

Generally speaking that's been true. On this forum, not so much.

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That's a really stupid hope, founded in fallacy.

My cock doesn't have any bearing on how I relate to people.

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Originally Posted by Jericho

Headfucked!

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In more ways than one!

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Originally Posted by dderek123

In more ways than one!

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On a good day!