Alot of you guys are mistaking passable with beautiful.

We all know there are different tastes for everyone- so this post is not about being critical. It's about a truth that many of you are mixing up.
Being passable has nothing to do with being beautiful. They are two states that can be mutually exclusive- or if you are lucky combined.

We tend to forget that there are many mediocore or unattractive women in the world. Certain transsexuals, can blend very well into society and be extremely passable, and not be beautiful. Of ocurse a girl can be paasable and beautiful, there is no doubt- but transsexuality nor surgery is a gaurantee of being either.

Then comes the end of the other spectrum. There are many beautiful transsexuals who might not necesseraily be as "passable". I know many girls who are beautiful, but you can tell they are transsexuals. They can be striking, just plain beautiful- but this garnishes a degree of attention and one can quickly realize that is indeed not a "real" woman. In fact, most of the transsexuals who tend to fool me, tend to be the most "plain jane" looking girls. Girls you would not look at twice, but they blend in so well, they look like an every day woman.

As a personal prefference, given the choice, I'd rather be beautiful or striking than "passable". Maybe that has to do with growing up feeling ugly? But, I think if one is comfortable with oneself, and lives her life happily to her own aesthetic desires then she can be satisfied and you then you let all those worries go. Some girls just want to blend in and look unnoticible. Still, there are certain people and places who will always clock you. That is just life. We are not talking cross dresser here- or an obviously bad attempt to look like a woman. I don't care who you are- you are bound to get spooked on occassion.

Alot of men expect ALL transsexuals to be beautiful or passable and that is impossible. Just as there are fat,skinny, short, tall, unattractive, ok looking, and beautiful women- you will find the same spectrum with men and in transsexuals. I just think the difference is that most transsexuals strive to be beautiful or passable- but you are dealing with genetics and surgeons are not magicians and everyone has certain limitations. I often find it funny when someone says- oh her hands are too big, her feet-, well yes I feel bad for a girl who has to wear a size 13 shoe but she can't do anything about it. There are a lot of women with big feet- there are shoe sites on the net especially designed for women with larget feet. These products are all made and marketed TO WOMEN.

I certainly do not find every man I see personally attrective- so why should you expect the same from transsexuals? I think this has to do with they myth that we are all beatiful and well hung.

Sopeaking from experience, I can tell you that a lot of men have varied taste in transsexuals. I have seen guys at the parties trying to talk the prettiest of the girls there and then to a drag queen next. I don't know if they are horny, or what have you, but it goes to show you that THERE IS SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE.

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Bauty is 100% in the eye of the beholder, passable is also in the eye of the beholder to some extent. We all see what we want to see and tend to block out that which we would rather not see. But I agree that beautiful does not necessarily mean passable and of course you dont have to be beautiful to pass as a woman. Look around you every day, how many women do you see that you would truly classify as beautiful?

Nice post, Allanah. We do all need a touch of reality sometimes.

I think my fave T-girl is absolutely gorgeous. Nice eyes, infectious smile, and extra parts to die for. But I don't think she'd qualify as 'passable' with feet larger than mine and hands the size of tennis raquets (And I think she's taller than I am, but we've mostly been seated when we spend time together).

It could be said that she's the lucky pairing of beauty and passabilty, but the beautiful part is certainly heading this race, and that works for me. :)

a very down to earth post allanah.... considering the amount of shit thrown about on this board its good to see some posts still actually make some kind of point.....

and by the way you are striking, beautiful and VERY passable..... in a word you are stunning..... but hey thats just my opinion...... :wink:

With all due respect as I stated in an earlier thread not all but many of the uglier tgirls act fucked up, and I don't think it's them being themselves, I think it's the influence of narcotics and/or alcohol............... but I will be honest I do know some boogawolfs/dragonbreath broads I see weekly both gg/& tg that have nice personalities

I apologize if I offended any boogawolfs out there, just speaking my mind............

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With all due respect as I stated in an earlier thread not all but many of the uglier tgirls act fucked up, and I don't think it's them being themselves, I think it's the influence of narcotics and/or alcohol............... but I will be honest I do know some boogawolfs/dragonbreath broads I see weekly both gg/& tg that have nice personalities

I apologize if I offended any boogawolfs out there, just speaking my mind............

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that last sentnce crack me up...... oh shit...... LMFAO!!!!!!!

I have to agree. Many of the pictures posted here are followed by a lot of guys saying 'beautiful!', and im thinking 'manly'. I'm more attracted to a more naturally looking femenine body than the perfect barbi doll (which just might be alannah! lol). Natural breasts or seemingly natural ones are a big turnon for me


On a serious note, I feel bad when I see some beautiful girls that are all scarred up. Patricia Aruajo was sooo hot when I first saw her in a video, but then I saw a later one and saw hoooorible scarring on her chest, and noticed scars on her nose. Made me realize what she has done to look like she does, and feel bad for her that she had to do those things. I'd hope things are better for you girls in North America than in Brazil.

Boogawolf...never heard that one before. ;)

Allanah, you are of course quite right. The most passable tgirl I've had the pleasure of being with, named Kayla, is not the most beautiful (though she is beautiful), and the most beautiful (ok, maybe 3 or 4 could tie for this title) are not fully passable (though they would fool 9 out of 10 on Maury). That most passable girl is so utterly female that, the first time I was with her, I was honestly reluctant to reach down there because I thought she might not be a TS at all. Her voice is totally fem, the most convincingly feminine voice of any TS I've met. All hormonal, no implants, lovely soft 32Bs. And her attitude: as giggly and bouncy as a high school cheerleader.

Yes, she is beautiful, so she qualifies for that rarer combination you mention, but other girls are far more striking without being quite so passable. And some girls as you say are not beautiful, but you'd never "clock" them no matter how "good" your eye (well, I doubt seanchai is fooled very often).

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I would rather be passable than pretty........

I would rather look like a regular girl than look like a made up transy wit big boobs and loads of makeup.Maybe that sounds strange but I feel as though looking real is more important than being pretty.Its about survival in this lifestyle.Especially for the girls that dont escort.Pretty isnt going to get you a job if they can still clock you are a tranny.Pretty isnt going to protect you from the boys on the block when you walk by.Its about being real and being able to blend.Thats my goal.I dont want to be flawless absolute beauty like most transexuals.I just want to look like real tuna so when I walk into a womens bathroom they dont call the police on me.Me being passable is my survival, its my sheild.It allows me to work a daytime job at wal-mart. and it aloows me to survive.Even if I was a ugly tranny I wouldnt care just as long as u cant clock I got a dick im fine.

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you have a good point.
And yea, I'd rather have a passable ts as a gf/wife than one that isn't. Whether shes "homely" or cute/pretty/beautiful it doesn't matter. Just as long as she doesn't look like a guy with a dress (so to speak).

Shalaya, and the poster above:


that is exactly right. Some of us WANT a tgirl, but want her in a real relationship kind of way. I dont want no trophy wife, I just want a real person, that looks, feels, and acts like a real person. She doesnt have to be a beauty queen on the outside, as much as 'passible' (i'd use the word femenine tho)

Thats very refreshing Allanah and Shalaya. Two different views and take on the topic.

I admire transexuals who have strong views on alot of things and not easily sucked into pressure. We are what we are! We make the most of what we have. Bottomline is, I think as long as one is comfortable in their own skin (Wether one is beautiful, fierce and striking..or one is less prettier and passable or both beautiful, fierce and passable) then thats what matters most in the end.

We cannot please everyone..We only got ourselves to please.

"Poor is a child who's self esteem depends on the approval/acceptance of another!"

~Kisses.

HTG

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I think that is a truly ignorant comment. There are alot of "prostitutes" as you say that are "real" and "homely". Have you seen the Hookers on Huntspoint documentaries?

I am not sure were you live- but it seems like a dangerous place. In your post you talk about being able to use the womens bathroom without getting the police called on you- or walking down the street without getting a beat down- maybe it is because I live in NYC- but I have never had that happen to me in all my years of being a trannsexual. If you carry yourself a certain way- people will respect you- they might stare, but they will respect you. Act like a lady and you will get treated as such-

I am a fan of glamour and beauty- and I don't hold a day job. Hence why I have 36DD implants. But that is my choice and I am happy with it.

Life is not a beauty pageant or a competition- which is how most transsexuals see it. Everyone is always worried about who is prettier, younger, this, or that.

Well- the truth is THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE younger, prettier, more passable- what have you.

If you realize your own happiness and designing your looks to comply with your happiness- then you have succeeded whatever that may be.

I have lived many lives- before the porn world. I worked in night clubs, I waitressed, I worked at a make up counter, at a dungeon as a mistress, and I have had long term relationships. Ultimately, who ever loves you is going to love you for you.

No sweetie- I did not take your comment personally. I don't take opinions personally- trust me.

As long as you are happy great.

And for hoe surged , how I am, and how big my boobs are , and my ass- I have travelled all over the US- and some parts of the world I always get treated and respected as a woman. If anything- men are usually trying to pick me up- but I blame that on the boobs.

But to say that I have never been spooked would be a lie- of course I have. But it doesn't bother me-I am not gonna let someone ruin my day by letting them feel better through putting me down.

At the Gwen Stefani-Black Eyed Peas concert, I saw two hot transsexuals (I think one advertises a long time ago and went through SRS, if I recall correctly). My friends pointed out they were men dressed up as women. Through they had smoking bodies, I believe their height, adam's apple, and one had thick wrists gave it away.

From the transsexuals I met in person, there is only a couple that seem passable.

Here is my example of passablity and beauty:
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Passable vs. Beautiful

Ok my take on this is two fold. First, you can look at this as apples and oranges. I think that passable is an issue of what the outside world sees. Beautiful is what the closer world sees. In other words, a beautiful person may never win a beauty contest. In my definition - it is a statement about a person that goes beyond looks. In this type of contrast ... wouldn't be better to be a person with whom those you come into contact with find you to be open, appealing, interesting, etc. etc. as opposed to a person with whom people would only discuss your physical attributes? Rhetorical question of course. In this way - I am suggesting that beautiful is something more the physical attributes.

A second way of looking at this is to consider beautiful and passable only comments as to physical attributes. In that case I'll go with passable - only because my presumption is that the person would be appealing to me - even if she does not fit the great world's definition of beauty. This society's definition of beauty (as mecurial as it is) is not the only that exists. And it is not necessarily the defintion that I subscribe to.

actually the definition of beauty is that its in the eye of the beholder. sure there is a hollywood stereotype of what is beautiful (which is actually artificial nowadays), but different people can have vastly different opinions of who or what is beautiful

passable - that isnt really up for interpretation, it means she can function in society as a female without drawing attention to the fact that she didnt start out that way.

There is a consensus, yes... Objectivity...

But... do I consider that tgirl beautiful or pasable in a shemale perspective? Or because that "person" is beautiful? And that brings another question... Is beauty measure as shemale beautiful or female beautiful? Those are extra measurements when dealing with the concept of beauty in shemales.

For me, beauty knows no concepts or measurements. Beauty is just beauty. That's it.

tsluvr247 that gurl u posted was at my party Sunday. she is very pretty in person too.

in regards to what Allanah n Shalaya r saying... my 2 cents... EVERYONE is clockable by SOMEONE whether it's another queen, a guy, or some old lady. it doesn't matter. some folks have tranny radar n i can ALWAYS tell. my opinion ... what matters isn't that your clockable but that even if u get clocked that the person who clocked u will say she's a guy but god dayum that's a pretty one. if they still desire you or recognize your glamourous after they clock then u know that your a bad, bad bitch.

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tsluvr247 that gurl u posted was at my party Sunday. she is very pretty in person too.

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She goes by the name Nashali now. Her name was Sissy when I met her. She turned many men's heads when she walked in El Gato Negro, TS bar in Chicago. She is a doll and seems to have a good personality too.

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

As a personal prefference, given the choice, I'd rather be beautiful or striking than "passable". Maybe that has to do with growing up feeling ugly? But, I think if one is comfortable with oneself, and lives her life happily to her own aesthetic desires then she can be satisfied and you then you let all those worries go. Some girls just want to blend in and look unnoticible. Still, there are certain people and places who will always clock you. That is just life. We are not talking cross dresser here- or an obviously bad attempt to look like a woman. I don't care who you are- you are bound to get spooked on occassion.

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I agree. Given the choice, I would rather be beautiful than passable. In this world, beautiful people will always be treated better than average, or below average looking people. I believe that holds true for transsexuals as well. Even if people clock you as a TS, if you are beautiful, they will most likely be nice, or at least civil to you.

One thing that we also forget about human nature - if you have a great personality, it tends to help your physical looks. People don't look for your flaws as much and they are willing to give you a break. Conversely, if you have a bitchy or ugly personality, many people will not see you as beautiful no matter how physically beautiful you may be.

Another thing you mentioned... about being comfortable and happy with yourself. I truly believe that if you are comfortable in your own skin and at peace with yourself, the people around you will pick up on that vibe and be more comfortable and relaxed around you, thus helping with your passability.

In my life, I don't care if I get clocked or not as long as people treat me well and with respect.

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I agree. Given the choice, I would rather be beautiful than passable. In this world, beautiful people will always be treated better than average, or below average looking people. I believe that holds true for transsexuals as well. Even if people clock you as a TS, if you are beautiful, they will most likely be nice, or at least civil to you.

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I totally agree, that's what I was trying to convey but u did a better job of articulating it for me. Amen to that.

wtf is a boogawolf????

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wtf is a boogawolf????

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see the poster above you ... :wink:

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in regards to what Allanah n Shalaya r saying... my 2 cents... EVERYONE is clockable by SOMEONE whether it's another queen, a guy, or some old lady. it doesn't matter. some folks have tranny radar n i can ALWAYS tell. my opinion ... what matters isn't that your clockable but that even if u get clocked that the person who clocked u will say she's a guy but god dayum that's a pretty one. if they still desire you or recognize your glamourous after they clock then u know that your a bad, bad bitch.

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You had to go and spoil predjudice against you, didn't you? :rolleyes:

I think the TS's who would rather be beautiful than passable have a better chance for hapiness. There are many, many beautiful TS's. There are very, very few truly passable TS's.

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Originally Posted by Shalaya

I would rather be passable than pretty........

I would rather look like a regular girl than look like a made up transy wit big boobs and loads of makeup.Maybe that sounds strange but I feel as though looking real is more important than being pretty.Its about survival in this lifestyle.Especially for the girls that dont escort.Pretty isnt going to get you a job if they can still clock you are a tranny.Pretty isnt going to protect you from the boys on the block when you walk by.Its about being real and being able to blend.Thats my goal.I dont want to be flawless absolute beauty like most transexuals.I just want to look like real tuna so when I walk into a womens bathroom they dont call the police on me.Me being passable is my survival, its my sheild.It allows me to work a daytime job at wal-mart. and it aloows me to survive.Even if I was a ugly tranny I wouldnt care just as long as u cant clock I got a dick im fine.

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I think that is a truly ignorant comment. There are alot of "prostitutes" as you say that are "real" and "homely". Have you seen the Hookers on Huntspoint documentaries?

I am not sure were you live- but it seems like a dangerous place. In your post you talk about being able to use the womens bathroom without getting the police called on you- or walking down the street without getting a beat down- maybe it is because I live in NYC- but I have never had that happen to me in all my years of being a trannsexual. If you carry yourself a certain way- people will respect you- they might stare, but they will respect you. Act like a lady and you will get treated as such-

I am a fan of glamour and beauty- and I don't hold a day job. Hence why I have 36DD implants. But that is my choice and I am happy with it.

Life is not a beauty pageant or a competition- which is how most transsexuals see it. Everyone is always worried about who is prettier, younger, this, or that.

Well- the truth is THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE younger, prettier, more passable- what have you.

If you realize your own happiness and designing your looks to comply with your happiness- then you have succeeded whatever that may be.

I have lived many lives- before the porn world. I worked in night clubs, I waitressed, I worked at a make up counter, at a dungeon as a mistress, and I have had long term relationships. Ultimately, who ever loves you is going to love you for you.

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co-sign 2 this 2 :D

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Only a prostitue would think beauty sells over realness

Ha Ha Ha

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This was the best post ever. Very funny. You are absolutely right.

Passable and beautiful.

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I think the TS's who would rather be beautiful than passable have a better chance for hapiness. There are many, many beautiful TS's. There are very, very few truly passable TS's.

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wtf??? that makes no sence ... no girl is gonna wish she would be a clockable hot ts over a plain-attractive woman.... every girl would rather they didnt get clocked and if they are a passable plain- attractive woman then they could get surgery to become a beautiful passable woman ... u cant be a hot obvious ts and get more passable ... that just means more plastic which makes u look even more noticiable

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I think the TS's who would rather be beautiful than passable have a better chance for hapiness. There are many, many beautiful TS's. There are very, very few truly passable TS's.

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wtf??? that makes no sence ... no girl is gonna wish she would be a clockable hot ts over a plain-attractive woman.... every girl would rather they didnt get clocked and if they are a passable plain- attractive woman then they could get surgery to become a beautiful passable woman ... u cant be a hot obvious ts and get more passable ... that just means more plastic which makes u look even more noticiable

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How can you write no girl? Do you speak for every transexual woman?

Rarely is a man called 'beautiful'. The be beautiful (on the outside) means being passable.

true that it's different strokes for different folks , i think that
some trannies are "passable " enough for some guys to strike
an interest in them.

in some cases , they are passable enough to want to
have sex with them , - but not passable enough to
take with them around town in public , to anywhere and anyplace
they wanna go to.

to use an example, if not many knew her face/ celebrity status
as a transexual superstar , Vanity could pull that off .

i've experience some reviews of guys that have had an
experienced session with tgirl escorts
and swear up & down that no one would suspect that she
had a tail between her legs .


yet i evetually meet the same escort and i can't come close to
seeing how they cannot detected some signs that she
is a transexual .

not to say that she was not a beautiful transexual , but i don't
see where anyone could say that was impossible to tell if she
was a transexual .

maybe some people are that gullible and easy to fool. .

certain facial features, body language and the way they walk
( yes, it does make a difference ) , the physique , back & shoulders .....
even the voice ,.... are sometimes hugely noticeable.

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Working at Wal-mart I have learned alot of things besides the fact that we put antiseptic on our cucumbers.So if you buy your fruits and veggies from Wal-martr make sure you clean them first.

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LMAO

Would not living in a smaller town city give you the oppurtunity to blend in better and pass- as I am sure people are not used to transsexuals as much as in Metropolitan areas?

I live in a smallish town of about 80,000 , and if a young tgirl like Shalaya worked at the wallmart, most of the town would probly know about it. I think the opinions of people, at least my agre group (25-35), would be pretty good. The older generation here is fucked tho. And of course Alannah would draw attention anywhere she goes (in a good way)

I'm only looking at this from the physical standpoint, since that's what I think Allanah is keying on.
One can be passable, and yet not beautiful, and also vice versa. I've seen some incredibly beautiful TS women at Peanuts and The Yukon Mining Company here in Hollywood, who wouldn't be passable to most, but I've also seen some who were passable, and yet not too beautiful given their overall behavior (femininity and otherwise) and indifference to who they are seemingly.

That make sense ?

I think he meant if u were from there- maybe people would know you because it's relatively small so they would know you- not because of your looks.

Yes thanks Alannah, thats what I meant. I dont mean we'd all look at her and know, I mean once 1 person knows, eventually the whole town does.

I think that might not be a bad thing tho. There wouldnt be any issues with people finding out and freaking out. (like those violent responses and murders in other threads)