Joseph Lieberman, senator from Conneticut is an agent of evil.
He is a criminal
he is owned, bought, and paid off by the private insurance industry to block any attempt to pass universal health coverage for America
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Joseph Lieberman, senator from Conneticut is an agent of evil.
He is a criminal
he is owned, bought, and paid off by the private insurance industry to block any attempt to pass universal health coverage for America
And they say one vote can't make a difference. :twisted:
But Goebels? Tell me how you really feel! :shock:
~BB~
hey, take it easy on the old boy! somebody's got to protect the insurance cartels!
Isn't this closer to the cartoon you were looking for instead of the Joseph Goebbels' one?
Well, if it's any consolation, the film industry hasn't bought him out yet, so he must have some morals. Jeez, those medical insurance companies must command serious dollar
http://archive.salon.com/politics/fe...ood/index.html
Fuck that !
As an American citizen with a proper life and job I refuse to let my too-high-taxes go to pay for the health care of losers who smoke - who drink - who have loser diseases because of corrupt lifestyles - and more.
Pay for the shit you cause yourself. Don't take my taxes for that.
I'm with Joe on this one....
Healthcare needs reform, but the current bills are both monstrosities.
Don't let anyone fool you on these ones. No reform is better than these two bills.
Fix the system- Don't cause more problems.
Funny how that's the first thing you think of. :shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by hereorthere
Write a decent bill first..don't shove this bill down our throats just to say "you've done it".
Actually flabbybody you have it wrong. It was Goebels and his ilk that wanted to socialize medicine together with the Nazis. And we know what their goal was.
Joe Lieberrman is trying to keep the government out of your and my pocket. Get a job, earn money and buy your own insurance. I do not want to pay for your health insurance. You do not pay for my car insurance. Plus there is the slight problem that the constitution does not mandate that the government can mandate that anyone purchase health insurance.
The current bills are fiscal abominations. I'm so sick of Broke Obama placating the constituents that aren't mesmerized by his seductive rhetoric.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic8Ball
How ANY free-thinking human can justify the fiscal irresponsibility demonstrably proven by our government, is beyond me.
The progressive, one-world government is imminent, people.
The dollar is going to collapse and when that happens all your rights will go with it. America will need a new currency, any guesses what that will be?
Democrats/Republicans have violated this country on a moral level for long enough. Two parties can NOT possibly enact legislation by consensus, it's impossible! You see the votes being bribed. Partisan muscle would be much harder with a third party.
I know, it sounds conspiratorial to those who believe Uncle Scam will support you with Social Insecurity and Mediscare, but your unmitigated subservience is what they want.
I bet I get accused of watching Fox News. I do, sorta. I watch CNN and MSNBC, sorta, also.
Watching these extended mouthpieces of the two party monstrosity that encapsulate, indoctrinate and intimidate voters minds disturbs me.
Barrack swore he'd remove special interests from Washington. Now SEIU and labor unions are writing legislation. The ONLY difference between Barrack and Bush is the (R) (D) and perceived skin color. Do people really think the mulatto Barrack is black?
People need to realize that both Republicants and Spendocraps are in collusion with one another. Please wake up before the string-pullers check mate us. It's so easy to see when you don't side with a contrived, faux portion of the media and political sham perpetrated by the global elite. America has been sold by both parties. Sorry!
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I could not have said it better. Thanks for taking the time to inform and educate.
I just want people to realize that "Democrat "and "Republican" are each respective horns on the devil's head.Quote:
Originally Posted by dooskont
It's an illusion and nothing more.
America is being pillaged.
Darn, I seem to get doubles on this site. Double.Quote:
Originally Posted by dooskont
Smart bill right here, make insurance companies non profit like in Switzerland and then make it where people can't sue doctors more than 250,000$ for "emotional damage". Problem solved.
only in america can you guys spend more money on defence then health care wheres your priorities?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trans Mission
he is douche
Lisaparadise:
And who saves everybodies asses in the world? Who defends freedom around the globe. Not the French. Neither the Germans. Dont rely on Scandinavian countries. So lets count the willing . Not many? Not any other than America. The Brits are very good allies but lack the strength. The Canadians supply a token force. Everybody else wants to do traffic patrol. Just check the numbers of troops in Afghanistan or Iraq.
You may be for or against the current form of the health care bill, but to answer the question of the post's title, there's only one reason Lieberman is against it: revenge. He hates the dems for running a candidate against him in the Connecticut elections. At the very least the dems should take away his chairmanship of the Senate Homeland Security Committee.
I think we need to stop fighting all these wars that have very little to do with us and get this healthcare shit takin care of. I'm not sold on Obama's plan but I know how health care works and insurance isn't cheap at all.
I'd like to see a War Tax Bill put into place. When ever there is a war, the bill would require that a tax should be levied to pay for it. The cost of the nation's health care doesn't hold a candle to the expense of the last six years of war.
I´ll re-formulate your post:Quote:
Originally Posted by hereorthere
As an American citizen with a proper life and job I refuse to let my too-high-taxes go to pay for the wars led by losers who exploit the poor because of corrupt lifestyles - and more.
Pay for the wars you cause yourself. Don´t take my taxes for that.
If the health insurance industry wasn't such a mess, universal health care would be a political impossibility. You know why people want universal health care?Quote:
Originally Posted by hereorthere
Because they're sick and tired of all the bullshit they've had to deal with, with the private insurance companies. No one would want government health care if the insurance companies were so much as half way better then they are currently. When you have, people being denied policies- because they're female (which is NOT a pre-existing condition), when you have people with chronic diseases like asthma loosing health care coverage for those conditions for life after getting a lapse in coverage (i.e. being laid of) making it "pre-existing," when you have employer-insurance options that suck* so bad you might as well be uninsured, when privately bought policies fail to cover anything in practice and only exist on paper- that pisses people the fuck off.
If the insurance industry would fix these problems themselves, I would bet everything I own- everything- that most Americans would be completely against the idea of government health care, especially after the feds showed they are willing to play morality enforcers and decide for Americans what procedures they should have access to (i.e. reproductive rights). No one wants DC deciding what treatment options they can have access to, no one sane anyway. That's for patients to decide with their doctors.
Where is all the republican outrage over insurance companies' unethical practices? Because that IS the bigger evil here, and it's the reason why we're even having this talk about universal health care.
Have you ever had a privately purchased policy from a company like UnitedHealth? Do you know how hard it is to get them to pay for anything at all, even the most basic of prescriptions? Hard working people all over this country who are not "diseased welfare exploiters" have these policies and know how bad they are when it comes to actually using their benefits. This goes back to extortion 101 here, if you give someone you're extorting too much trouble, they'll find someone new to protect them, even if the replacement isn't particularly better.
* As a "for instance," many blue collar jobs that offer health care policies do not make it affordable for workers to buy insurance for their entire families through their employer. A friend of mine has a nice factory job, we're not talking a janitorial position here, a college degree, and over a decade of experience. This person can afford health insurance through their employer for themself, but as soon as they try to put their spouse on the policy they end up losing half of their take home pay, because it's so much more expensive for each person listed on the policy.
War tax? We have about a dozen of those on the books, left over from the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, WW1, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Taxes never "disappear" after full filling their original revenue generating purpose. The phone tax levied to pay for the Spanish-American War has more than paid for it, but I wouldn't hold you breath on it being stricken from the books in our lifetimes.
...and we had a great communications infrastructure that served rural American as well as urban. Time to pay for the modern wars.
I dunno, who?Quote:
Originally Posted by dooskont
Whomever it is, they must be very altruistic! :roll:
I believe the answer is Supergirl, isn't it.
Like the insurance industry would fix itself LOL. Insurance is a scam, always has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahG
Health insurance is no more a scam than any other type of insurance... and it suffers all the same pitfalls of the other ones as well.
If you want reform, allow me to shop across state lines for a better plan. We don't need competition against the government, if you actually allowed them to compete against each other costs would go down.
Lieberman's against any public plan, including an expansion of an already chronically underfunded Medicare.
Give me something that works, with out costing me anymore out of pocket than I already pay. That was the hopenchange I thought I was getting.
The "priorities" are being erroneously redirected by the progressives in Washington.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisaparadise
You are absolutely wrong when you say we spend more on defense than health care. That's a flat out lie. Entitlement programs, IE, mediscare, social insecurity and this sham of a health care reconstitution, which is not in even in the budget yet, far outweighs our defense budget. Wars are billions of dollars, entitlement programs are trillions of dollars.
People from outside the US don't equate GDP to legislation. California is the eighth largest global economy and on the brink of bankruptcy. Where does that put the actual country it (California) resides in? California had porn stars running for Governor, are these buffoons surprised that sanctuary cities and unfettered immigration taxing all facets of their economy are reveling? Fiscally responsible, socially irresponsible politicians would be a warm welcome to the inept tards driving this country into politically divided peril.
I hate to be a snobby American, but where there's money, there's corruption and what better financial blackboard to practice these fiscal shams on than a polarized country unwittingly eager to facilitate the biggest transfer of wealth these trillion dollar bail-outs have precipitated. This is calculated, heinous irresponsibility by the grotesque elite.
"United we stand, divided we fall." Are we standing or collapsing under the most precarious ruse to ever wash over the insipid, politically Shepherded generation that gets their information fed to them by news or politicians whom are all accountable to the same whims of some nefarious magnet?
Call a black American the "N" word, call a Jewish person the "K" word, call an Asian person the "C" word and righteous indignation will be rightfully instituted upon the transgressor.
Hating a liberal or conservative is embraced along with the murky tactics the media methodically employs to separate us and that's fair game?
America has never had "Universal" health care and people were literally crossing oceans in rafts to get here. Why does a bill that won't be instituted until just after Barrack is (most likely gets voted) out of office need to be recklessly passed before Christmas?....Special interests people!!!!!!!!!!!...........Special interests are superseding seats.
....Constituency and the effect any politician that hopes to emblazon the badge of incumbent on his subsequent political resume. America, by and large opposes this bill. These are unique times in America.
thing is most Americans are against it now.Quote:
If the insurance industry would fix these problems themselves, I would bet everything I own- everything- that most Americans would be completely against the idea of government health care,
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War tax?
Thank YouQuote:
Taxes never "disappear"
Again ThanksQuote:
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I could not have said it better. Thanks for taking the time to inform and educate.
there are problems with the health insurance but does it take a Trillion dollars to fix it....by the way in those 4000 pages there is not one word about tort reform....maybe it's because most of these assholes are lawyers.
and on top of the money for health reform(?) he wants to throw another couple trillion to cap and trade....this economy will NOT support this...... your taxes are about to go thru the roof, IF you still have one of those.
and just so you know i consider myself an independent.....every 6 to 8 years i vote against EVERY incumbent.....my reasoning the new guy won't know the ropes to steal as well as the old guy.
Poll after poll (except the one’s sponsored by Fox) indicate that Americans overwhelmingly support health care and want a public option.
The dead never come back to life. A war tax should be something that makes us think more than five minutes before launching into a war.
Shopping across state lines for insurance is just a scam to end run the reforms and regulations of individual states. If you want to shop across line you need strong federal regulations on insurance companies.
Yep, that's Joe LIEberman in a nutshell.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
'In an interview with the New York Times, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) revealed Tuesday that he decided to oppose a Medicare buy-in in part because liberals like Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) liked it too much.'
'Lieberman had supported a Medicare buy-in as recently as three months ago.'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_392887.html
the Hartford Insurance cartel that owns and controls Lieberman informed him they didn't want the medicare buy-in for 50 year olds because it would hurt their corporate profit margins. whore Joe dutifully changed his position.
The senate bill has no public option, no buy-in, and stipulates mandatory coverage for younger people currently uncovered. It might as well have been written by the insurance executives from Lieberman's home state.
I hate when politicians take views on issues and then say their reasoning is something other than their personal financial gain.
he's a cunt, a whore, and a liar
flabby, you're insulting cunts and whores :) But your right, the bill has been almost thoroughly gutted as far as I can tell. I'm not sure anymore if I want to see it passed. An alternative that's being discussed and letting it fail but expanding medicaid by "reconciliation".
Idealy you should have just copied the Swiss model.
you might want to rethink that...while many want some sort of reform, they don't want the type congress is proposing.....a bigger government is the last thing we need.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
give me one example of something the federal( for that matter any) govt. runs that is effective, socail security, medicare,medicaid, post office, amtrax......they all lose money
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...th_care_reform
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062303510.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/he...cy/21poll.html
I am not going to get into the hyperbole of people of both sides. But as someone in the medical field I will say that this bill is ridiculous. It has no unifying vision, which has allowed to it to balloon into a monstrosity of pork. We need reform but we should achieve that through 3 small, simple, and independent bills. The first: Reform the out of control malpractice lawsuit system (this will never happen because as Howard Dean has said trial lawyers helped him and his fellow democrats elected so they can very well harm their bank accounts). The second: Allow insurance companies to sell across state lines. That is the real way to increase competition (the idea that a gov. run public option could inc. competition is absurd). The third: fix the archaic loophole developed during world war 2 and tax employee health insurance. This last one sound controversial but essentially you will be putting money back in the hands of the individual.
This bill as it stands now will do more harm than good and will inevitably lead to universal healthcare, which regardless of what you have been told has utterly failed everywhere it has been tried ( we are currently the only developed country moving towards it, all others that have tried it are moving away).
Finally, to the intellectual simpleton who started this thread. I hate when people compare modern day politicians to nazis but if you are at least learn history. Nazi Germany believed that healthcare was a right and socialized medicine was their solution. We are currently moving towards a system THEY would have liked. Does that make democrats Nazis? HELL NO, but you brought it up in the first place.
This is such utter crap I don't know where to begin.Quote:
Originally Posted by UirCelLanAd