The Unfair Treatment Of Micheal Vick

Wow, my man is back at home. I have mixed feelings about Mike. I am disappointed in him and I am also proud of him.

I am disappointed that he did not select better friends to associate with. I am disappointed that he jeopardized his career and reputation. Well, what makes him different than the rest of us? Human beings are prone to making mistakes that can be considered to either immoral and/or illegal.

I believe Mike deserved the sentenced he received, but I also believe that he deserves another chance to be a productive person in our society. If he wants to play and if someone wants to hire him, then so be it! I thought that America was supposed to be composed of a society where you have a choice of deciding what you want to do for a living?!

The NFL is nothing but an organization that provides entertainment to the public. It didn't matter how many games The Detroit Lions won or lost. The Lions nor The NFL were able to save thousands of jobs that were lost within the past couple of years in Detroit, Michigan!

I have a problem with how all of these so-called Animal Rights Groups are treating Mike. I did not see them standing in front of the Insurance Companies Buildings that told homeowners that they would be dropped from their coverage if they were the owner(s) of an aggressive breed of dog! Where were all of the picketers?

I did not see any of the so-called Animal Rights Groups challenging the media when they have portrayed Pit Bulls as vicious animals that attack children and turn on their owners. Where were they?

Now these groups are trying to promote the facade that those pit bulls were these angelic creatures that were poorly victimized by a young black man that felt he was above the law.

Did Mike commit a crime against another human being? Has he ever sold drugs? Is he a threat to society?

It would be interesting to see how many people on this forum were convicted of a sexual crime, a drug crime, and a violent crime.

Does racism play a role in his treatment? Sure it does. The media almost allowed me forget that Martha "America's Favorite Homemaker" Stewart was convicted of a felony. I almost forgot that she served time in a federal institution. I don't see any newspapers, radio shows, and televisions shows discussing her incident. I have never seen or read about anyone challenging her passion and choice to resume doing what she did before she went to prison!

Isn't she back on televison? Hasn't she resumed her daily activities of making millions of dollars? If she went back to work, why can't Mike go back to work?

Mike and Martha were both convicted of non-violent felonies.

Why can't Mike be treated in the same fashion? Oh, I forgot....He is a little darker than her.

Yep, racism is still around. Racism is not wearing the suspenders and straw hat as it did back in the 70's, 60's, 50's, and etc. Racism is wearing a nice tuxedo. It is more suave and sophisticated!

Welcome home Mike! We love you and we will support you in every way as you travel down the road of redemption.

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Mike and Martha were both convicted of non-violent felonies.

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I think that most people would consider torturing and killing helpless dogs violent, not to mention reprehensible.

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Originally Posted by chefmike

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Mike and Martha were both convicted of non-violent felonies.

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I think that most people would consider torturing and killing helpless dogs violent, no to mention reprehensible.

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Can you address the point of no one challenging the fact that Martha Stewart is back on television?

Did Mike physically kill any dogs?

Is Mike a threat to the safety of the community?

Go to your states Department of Corrections Website. Go to the sexual offenders section and type in your address. You will get a chance to see how many sexual offenders are within your area. So, are you trying to say that these guys and women should not be allowed to work for a living? Are they a threat to the safety of your community?

Get back at me.....

I have no intention of addressing any of that crap, slick. I really couldn't care less about your whining. If you don't like what I had to say about your boy I also couldn't care less...

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Originally Posted by chefmike

I have no intention of addressing any of that crap, slick. I really couldn't care less about your whining. If you don't like what I had to say about your boy I also couldn't care less...

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Ummmmmmmm........who's wining? It is just an intellectual discussion that is open to debate. Isn't that what forums are all about? I am not looking to get into a quarrel with a internet personality that I will never get a chance to meet in person.

You responded to my post. Did I force you to respond to my post?

And that's Mr. Slick to you!!!! LOL

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Originally Posted by chefmike

I have no intention of addressing any of that crap, slick. I really couldn't care less about your whining. If you don't like what I had to say about your boy I also couldn't care less...

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You said that you were not interested in addressing any of this crap, but you choose to respond to my post. Isn't responding to my post a form of addressing the matter that is contained within the post itself?

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Originally Posted by drmindbender03

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Originally Posted by chefmike

I have no intention of addressing any of that crap, slick. I really couldn't care less about your whining. If you don't like what I had to say about your boy I also couldn't care less...

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You said that you were not interested in addressing any of this crap, but you choose to respond to my post. Isn't responding to my post a form of addressing the matter that is contained within the post itself?

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Your argument is weak, get over it.

I do not see how a Vick discussion is intellectual... but any who why don't we torture you a little bit?

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Originally Posted by bartholomeus

I do not see how a Vick discussion is intellectual... but any who why don't we torture you a little bit?

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Why isn't it? Is this not an event that is being celebrated by the media? Oh, I forgot we should only comment on the dick sizes of shemales...

Torturing dogs? Do you know anything about dog fighting? I don't think you do. I don't endorse it. I am against it. Dog fighters do not torture their animals. They are well feed, well kept, and put into fights. The dogs are killed when they are seriously injured so they will not suffer emotionally, mentally, and physically from their injuries.

Let's look at race horsing....Wow, the horses are bred and kept with the intentions of being commodities to make money for the owners, investors, and track owners. They are whipped by the jockeys during the race in order for the horse to speed up. I guess you don't see anything wrong with this?

The horses are ran, ran, and ran again until they cannot run anymore. Many have heart attacks and other physical injuries due to horse racing. Many are sold to outfits that kill them here in the U.S and sold to outfits in Europe that slice them down into what they call "Steaks". Four star restaurants serve their patrons horse meat that is elegantly called "Steaks". LOL.......

So this isn't a form of animal abuse?

Torture me? Come on down to sunny Florida where I reside. Don't be suprised to be looking down the barrel of the .380 caliber (that I legally own) that is with me at all times!

Why aren't you addressing the preferential treatment that Martha Stewart has received?

Michael Vick is not a threat to any community or dogs anymore. I am sure he is trying to steer clear of dogs or not. Perhaps he will open a kennel or be an activist for dogs. It's like how a whtie politician gets accused of being racist towards blacks, then the politician makes it known like "Look, I'm not racist, I have black friends." Perhaps Vick will do that but only with dogs.

The things that Vick did doesn't affect me, because I really don't like dogs. I don't know why everyone was making such a big deal about it. Hope he goes back in the NFL though.

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Originally Posted by bartholomeus

Let's look at race horsing....Wow, the horses are bred and kept with the intentions of being commodities to make money for the owners, investors, and track owners. They are whipped by the jockeys during the race in order for the horse to speed up. I guess you don't see anything wrong with this?

The horses are ran, ran, and ran again until they cannot run anymore. Many have heart attacks and other physical injuries due to horse racing. Many are sold to outfits that kill them here in the U.S and sold to outfits in Europe that slice them down into what they call "Steaks". Four star restaurants serve their patrons horse meat that is elegantly called "Steaks". LOL.......

So this isn't a form of animal abuse?

Torture me? Come on down to sunny Florida where I reside. Don't be suprised to be looking down the barrel of the .380 caliber (that I legally own) that is with me at all times!

Why aren't you addressing the preferential treatment that Martha Stewart has received?

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I was on your side until you made this stupid argument. American horses are not sold to "outfits" that then sell their horse meat to Europe - you idiot.

If society judged Michael Vick of a crime and convicted him either as punishment or rehabilitation, then he's served his time.
What is the point of having a penal system, if after you've served time you continue to be discriminated against?

He should be allowed back into his profession. Failure to permit do that, shows the inability of the system. If he was going back to work in a dog farm, that would be a different matter.

As distasteful as his crime was to me, I have to agree with the OP, that Martha Stewart, wasn't stopped from running her business, Jeffrey Archer wasn't stopped from being a writer, blah, blah, blah...

Does anyone really think Mike Vick won't be able to resume his career? The NFL views him as a valuable commodity in my opinion and he will go back to making millions. The Martha Stewart argument is not accurate until he is banned from making a living and then is only germane if he is black balled.

I don't think that will happen though.

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Originally Posted by drmindbender03

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Originally Posted by bartholomeus

I do not see how a Vick discussion is intellectual... but any who why don't we torture you a little bit?

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Why isn't it? Is this not an event that is being celebrated by the media? Oh, I forgot we should only comment on the dick sizes of shemales...

Torturing dogs? Do you know anything about dog fighting? I don't think you do. I don't endorse it. I am against it. Dog fighters do not torture their animals. They are well feed, well kept, and put into fights. The dogs are killed when they are seriously injured so they will not suffer emotionally, mentally, and physically from their injuries.

Let's look at race horsing....Wow, the horses are bred and kept with the intentions of being commodities to make money for the owners, investors, and track owners. They are whipped by the jockeys during the race in order for the horse to speed up. I guess you don't see anything wrong with this?

The horses are ran, ran, and ran again until they cannot run anymore. Many have heart attacks and other physical injuries due to horse racing. Many are sold to outfits that kill them here in the U.S and sold to outfits in Europe that slice them down into what they call "Steaks". Four star restaurants serve their patrons horse meat that is elegantly called "Steaks". LOL.......

So this isn't a form of animal abuse?

Torture me? Come on down to sunny Florida where I reside. Don't be suprised to be looking down the barrel of the .380 caliber (that I legally own) that is with me at all times!

Why aren't you addressing the preferential treatment that Martha Stewart has received?

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I don't think you know about this case!

The dogs who weren't game or who were losers were killed in many different ways, including body slamming, electric shock, and drowning.

All of that is cruel. If he just wanted to put them out of their misery, there's other ways to do that.

So if Martha Stewart gets preferntial treatment for her case, from a different judge, in a different jurisdiction, why should we care about Michael Vick?

If you're so concerned, lodge a complaint about the Stewart case.

Why don't you come out and tell us why you are so concerned about Vick?

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Originally Posted by seanchai

If society judged Michael Vick of a crime and convicted him either as punishment or rehabilitation, then he's served his time.
What is the point of having a penal system, if after you've served time you continue to be discriminated against?

He should be allowed back into his profession. Failure to permit do that, shows the inability of the system. If he was going back to work in a dog farm, that would be a different matter.

As distasteful as his crime was to me, I have to agree with the OP, that Martha Stewart, wasn't stopped from running her business, Jeffrey Archer wasn't stopped from being a writer, blah, blah, blah...

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In the case of Martha Stewart, she's the CEO of her own company. You can't stop her from returning to it. In Vick's case, it's up to the NFL to let him back. I think he'll be back and playing soon, probably not starting for a little while, but he'll be back.

The NFL is an image league and the only way Vick is coming back is if he me makes a true and sincere apology for his actions and I'm not sure he has it in him to do that. Plus you have to think about if any team in the NFL wants to deal with the protesters that will come along with signing him.

Corporate America is the most powerful institutional group on earth. The media is a part of that group, so are the private prisons, among others. They stand to make hundreds of billions of dollars from whatever lingering postcolonial fear that white americans have of black men. Let me repeat...HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF BUCKS....

When you throw in the fact that dog fighting would make the average american hurl, you can forget about impartiality, not when there is so much money at stake. Saying they would not tilt the coverage to take advantage of americas deep racial stereotypes, is like putting the "Fox" in the henhouse and saying "keep an eye on them for me". Most young americans dont even know they have these stereotypes until they are confronted with Hard Evidence, or until their hero Obama lays out the polite version in a political speech.

...once you understand the money, the rest is like dominos falling. the uproar was inevitable after such coverage, how are the animal rights people going to sit still after seeing those images. Not to mention the majority of white americans who have no frame of reference for this type of sport, which is ironic, considering that the sport was traditionally practiced by poor whites in the rural South.

Football is celebrated by black and white, but I dont think the general public realizes how savagely Warlike it is. But yet we expect the men that perform at the top of this savage war sport to play croquet and sip tea for recreation.

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This thread is BS!

I dont know if its BS, and I dont usually respond to these threads, but the first post seemed well thought out and gunuine.

-Söze

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Originally Posted by Quiet Reflections

The NFL is an image league and the only way Vick is coming back is if he me makes a true and sincere apology for his actions and I'm not sure he has it in him to do that. Plus you have to think about if any team in the NFL wants to deal with the protesters that will come along with signing him.

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How you figure that I mean he jsut served 19 months in jail and lost damn near everything he had. I'm sure any apology he comes up with will be sincere. The only protesters that are gonna make a scene is gonna be crazy ass Peta anyways.

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Originally Posted by drmindbender03

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Originally Posted by bartholomeus

Let's look at race horsing....Wow, the horses are bred and kept with the intentions of being commodities to make money for the owners, investors, and track owners. They are whipped by the jockeys during the race in order for the horse to speed up. I guess you don't see anything wrong with this?

The horses are ran, ran, and ran again until they cannot run anymore. Many have heart attacks and other physical injuries due to horse racing. Many are sold to outfits that kill them here in the U.S and sold to outfits in Europe that slice them down into what they call "Steaks". Four star restaurants serve their patrons horse meat that is elegantly called "Steaks". LOL.......

So this isn't a form of animal abuse?

Torture me? Come on down to sunny Florida where I reside. Don't be suprised to be looking down the barrel of the .380 caliber (that I legally own) that is with me at all times!

Why aren't you addressing the preferential treatment that Martha Stewart has received?

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I was on your side until you made this stupid argument. American horses are not sold to "outfits" that then sell their horse meat to Europe - you idiot.

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No, you are the idiot!!!!!! The story was featured on HBO Real Sports several months ago! They showed the whole process with hidden cameras. Jackass

Sure Mike deserves another shot at the NFL...Gives me a chance to root for my fav team, the Browns, to scramble another QB!

Personally, I wish Vick had gotten a min wage job picking up dog crap (with his bare hands) rather than construction job at 10.00 an hour...

He deserves another chance to rehab himself as any convict does. But he just doesn't have the kind of feelings about animals that some dog lovers do...Even rehabbed, he strikes me as the kind that will kick his dog in the head if the dog barks at the door bell..you either have feelings toward dogs or you don't...

and no matter what else happens, 20 years from now, when you think of MV, you'll always think about dead pit bulls first! :thumbsdown

the thing is it isnt his right to play in the nfl, he has the right to work again sure but the nfl has the right to decide who "works" in it

i think its ok personaly if he plays again but it isnt his right

heck no one knows if he even still has the skills to play at an nfl level, he may of not lost a step at all or he may not even make a team even if one gives him the chance

The man served his time.Personally i don't see sending anyone to the pen.for first conviction dog fighting.That said,he's done his time,loss his money,and loss his job.To debate whether he should be allowed back into the NFL is silly.He has a right to make a living,he has a right to do it in his craft.This is America,you do your time,pay your dues,go on with your life.All this he needs to show remorse,he needs to volunteer,is a bunch of silly bullshit.He needs to go back to his career,and on with his life.

I think public perception is irrelevant. These questions and points need to be directed towards Roger goddell. Jamal Lewis was convicted and jailed of federal drug trafficking and did not miss one game (even though goddell was not the commish at that time) Tank Johnson had federal weapons charges and served jail time (goddell was the commish) Now you have Dante Stallworth who has killed someone and he is going to jail for two months, and their not asking him to show"remorse" before he can come back into the league. Matt Jones was driving under the influence of cocaine and had more in his lap, he didnt have to show "remorse".

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I think public perception is irrelevant. These questions and points need to be directed towards Roger goddell. Jamal Lewis was convicted and jailed of federal drug trafficking and did not miss one game (even though goddell was not the commish at that time) Tank Johnson had federal weapons charges and served jail time (goddell was the commish) Now you have Dante Stallworth who has killed someone and he is going to jail for two months, and their not asking him to show"remorse" before he can come back into the league. Matt Jones was driving under the influence of cocaine and had more in his lap, he didnt have to show "remorse".

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Because killing animals is great than killing human being's didn't u know that?

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Originally Posted by Quiet Reflections

The NFL is an image league and the only way Vick is coming back is if he me makes a true and sincere apology for his actions and I'm not sure he has it in him to do that. Plus you have to think about if any team in the NFL wants to deal with the protesters that will come along with signing him.

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How you figure that I mean he jsut served 19 months in jail and lost damn near everything he had. I'm sure any apology he comes up with will be sincere. The only protesters that are gonna make a scene is gonna be crazy ass Peta anyways.

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like i said I'm not sure he has it in him to do that. He might. However one thing i know for sure is that not everyone that does their time learns their lesson

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Originally Posted by Solitary Brother

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I agree 100%.

He has essentially lost everything; respect, his job, his skill, and his money. His is most likely more impoverished than when he was a kid. Is he any smarter? Probably not, but as stated above he has lost everything and at least deserves the right to attempt to make a living.

I love animals. I live trap, and take ants out of the house vs. killing them. Dog fighting is not only reprehensible, but I feel that taking the life, or doing horrible things to an entity that cannot defend itself is ghoulish.

With that being said, let the guy at least attempt to reset, and hopefully change his life around.

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Originally Posted by Solitary Brother

This thread is BS!

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Why do people read and post on a thread they feel is bullshit.So many other threads to chose from?

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Let's look at race horsing....Wow, the horses are bred and kept with the intentions of being commodities to make money for the owners, investors, and track owners. They are whipped by the jockeys during the race in order for the horse to speed up. I guess you don't see anything wrong with this?

The horses are ran, ran, and ran again until they cannot run anymore. Many have heart attacks and other physical injuries due to horse racing. Many are sold to outfits that kill them here in the U.S and sold to outfits in Europe that slice them down into what they call "Steaks". Four star restaurants serve their patrons horse meat that is elegantly called "Steaks". LOL.......

So this isn't a form of animal abuse?

Torture me? Come on down to sunny Florida where I reside. Don't be suprised to be looking down the barrel of the .380 caliber (that I legally own) that is with me at all times!

Why aren't you addressing the preferential treatment that Martha Stewart has received?

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I was on your side until you made this stupid argument. American horses are not sold to "outfits" that then sell their horse meat to Europe - you idiot.

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No, you are the idiot!!!!!! The story was featured on HBO Real Sports several months ago! They showed the whole process with hidden cameras. Jackass

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My issue wasn't with them selling horses it was with you using it a) as part of this argument and b) the words you chose ("outfit" oooh sounds criminal). If you eat beef, pork, chicken or lamb ... then why not horse or dog? I've had them both, and they were both pretty decent. It's a lame argument here.

drmindbender03 wrote:"Does racism play a role in his treatment? Sure it does. The media almost allowed me forget that Martha "America's Favorite Homemaker" Stewart was convicted of a felony. I almost forgot that she served time in a federal institution. I don't see any newspapers, radio shows, and televisions shows discussing her incident. I have never seen or read about anyone challenging her passion and choice to resume doing what she did before she went to prison!"

What are your thoughts on OJ? High profile celebrity, got a second chance, blew it. :popcorn

Here's the thing. He committed the crime, was arrested for it, and found guilty. I think he's a piece of human shit for torturing another living thing for no reason. I'll not have anything to do with ANYTHING he's associated with.
Yes, he's done his time. yes it's over. but nothing can redeem him for what he did.
His Smug attitude when he went to trial, and his disdain for the whole thing really made me loath him.

I'm waiting for someone to tote out the "us militarty, Middle east prisoner torture" bomb now


That said, if you still like him as a sports guy, that's your thing, and I'll not fault you for it. I'm allowed my opinion, just as you're allowed yours. Neither opinion needs to be right. That's the beauty of opinions.

So the OP seems to believe that minor Fraud makes you as much of a monster as the sick individual Michael Vik..

My god I stole a quid out of me moms purse when I was 5 I guess that puts me in a worse league than an Arsonist..

Sory but Rehabilitation depends on the crime. A man whos supposedly an inspiration, so much so this OP moron deems someone two steps away from serial killer territory treatment as unfair.. No guy should be in therapy for life and doing charity work. Not earning millions.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

If society judged Michael Vick of a crime and convicted him either as punishment or rehabilitation, then he's served his time.
What is the point of having a penal system, if after you've served time you continue to be discriminated against?

He should be allowed back into his profession. Failure to permit do that, shows the inability of the system. If he was going back to work in a dog farm, that would be a different matter.

As distasteful as his crime was to me, I have to agree with the OP, that Martha Stewart, wasn't stopped from running her business, Jeffrey Archer wasn't stopped from being a writer, blah, blah, blah...

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Well put. It's one thing to prevent someone from reentering a profession that related to their crime (like an accountant accused of embezzling their client's money), but to prevent someone from otherwise making an honest living after prison is counter productive. Of course it's the prerogative of the NFL to hire who they want, but I think as a society we need to rethink how we look at people who have served their sentence.

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Here's the thing. He committed the crime, was arrested for it, and found guilty. I think he's a piece of human shit for torturing another living thing for no reason. I'll not have anything to do with ANYTHING he's associated with.
Yes, he's done his time. yes it's over. but nothing can redeem him for what he did.
His Smug attitude when he went to trial, and his disdain for the whole thing really made me loath him.

I'm waiting for someone to tote out the "us militarty, Middle east prisoner torture" bomb now


That said, if you still like him as a sports guy, that's your thing, and I'll not fault you for it. I'm allowed my opinion, just as you're allowed yours. Neither opinion needs to be right. That's the beauty of opinions.

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Yeah the water boarding but here we are talking about Vick and if he should be allowed back into the NFL. As a side note many convicts have a hard time getting back to normal life and jobs, why shouldn't he? maybe we should be thinking of what needs to be changed in the system, and not just for one individual.

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If society judged Michael Vick of a crime and convicted him either as punishment or rehabilitation, then he's served his time.
What is the point of having a penal system, if after you've served time you continue to be discriminated against?

He should be allowed back into his profession. Failure to permit do that, shows the inability of the system. If he was going back to work in a dog farm, that would be a different matter.

As distasteful as his crime was to me, I have to agree with the OP, that Martha Stewart, wasn't stopped from running her business, Jeffrey Archer wasn't stopped from being a writer, blah, blah, blah...

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Well put. It's one thing to prevent someone from reentering a profession that related to their crime (like an accountant accused of embezzling their client's money), but to prevent someone from otherwise making an honest living after prison is counter productive. Of course it's the prerogative of the NFL to hire who they want, but I think as a society we need to rethink how we look at people who have served their sentence.

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Then they should put him in a Trainers position at least for a year or so. For him to have been a role model and to have been convicted of such a vile act then he needs to earn his chance again.

If a teacher had been convicted of torturing a cat to death, would you want her in a classroom again?

Is this a Black thing? seriously? Would certain people on here be so quick to defend this knobhead if he had been a white country boy who done the same?

Personally I couldn't give a shit about his race, he played for NFL whatever . To me as a dog lover justice will not be served until he is drenched in offal and then attacked by wolves. Dogs are mans best friend. I don't know how any human being could do that to a dog .

He's served his time. Fine but as far as I'm concerned if the animal rights loons hound him good . Not a fan of them, dealt with them on a professional basis before. They are not above digging up peoples parents and spreading paedophile rumours, starting fires etc etc. As far as I'm concerned they deserve each other.

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orse it. I am against it. Dog fighters do not torture their animals. They are well feed, well kept, and put into fights. The dogs are killed when they are seriously injured so they will not suffer emotionally, mentally, and physically from their injuries.

Let's look at race horsing....Wow, the horses are bred and kept with the intentions of being commodities to make money for the owners, investors, and track owners. They are whipped by the jockeys during the race in order for the horse to speed up. I guess you don't see anything wrong with this?

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Only a complete moron with the morals of a psychopath could possibly compare horse-racing to dog-fighting.

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Four star restaurants serve their patrons horse meat that is elegantly called "Steaks".

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Indeed they do; it's very good too. I have eaten it many times and certainly will again.

But four-star restaurants and butchers never buy ex-racehorses or any other ex-anything horses for human consumption. All meat, of whatever type, which is sold for human consumption in Europe, is subject to very, very stringent rules on the breeding, raising, health, killing and butchering of the animals; horses too.

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So this isn't a form of animal abuse?

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No.

All horses sold for humans to eat in Europe are bred and raised specifically for the purpose, just like cattle and sheep, usually by specialist farmers who understand the business. No more cruelty is involved than in any other form of meat eating.

So unless you are a Vegan, I suggest you STFU.