White folks who try it(another rant of mine)
Have any of you gotten negative feedback/hateration(Sexy Jade term credit noted) from white people you work with or come in contact with about Obama?
What I mean is comments about him being killed?
Im sensing some bitterness out there by SOME(not all thank god) tired ass white folk and they are really starting to try it.
I KEEP getting comments and a tone that makes me think these people want him to get killed.
Whats fucked up is I cant say anything at work back because it could be deemed making a threat and I would be fired.
Im not the most liberal black guy in the world I am a former republican turned independent but some of these comments i keep getting and all this media HATERATION on Obama is sickening.
As a black american I am VERY proud of Barrack Obama but more than that all RACES AND CREEDS should embrace this man because his is not an idiot like the guy in there now!
Im just wondering how you all feel about this.
Re: White folks who try it(another rant of mine)
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Originally Posted by Solitary Brother
Have any of you gotten negative feedback/hateration(Sexy Jade term credit noted) from white people you work with or come in contact with about Obama?
What I mean is comments about him being killed?
Im sensing some bitterness out there by SOME(not all thank god) tired ass white folk and they are really starting to try it.
I KEEP getting comments and a tone that makes me think these people want him to get killed.
Whats fucked up is I cant say anything at work back because it could be deemed making a threat and I would be fired.
Im not the most liberal black guy in the world I am a former republican turned independent but some of these comments i keep getting and all this media HATERATION on Obama is sickening.
As a black american I am VERY proud of Barrack Obama but more than that all RACES AND CREEDS should embrace this man because his is not an idiot like the guy in there now!
Im just wondering how you all feel about this.
I don't like how you are using them phrase "white folk" why not just use crazy ass right wing mccain supporters because god knows mccain doesn't have any crazy ass black right wing supporters***cough****larry elder***cough****micheal steele.
http://www.hungangels.com/board/posting.php?mode=quote&p
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Originally Posted by BeardedOne
Contrary to accepted norms, even the KKK has endorsed Obama. What the fuck is =THAT= about?
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Originally Posted by SarahG
That's a no brainer, they know the whole election even if Obama loses, will cause a backlash that will swell their ranks (and as a result: their funding).
The Klan's plan is for all these "angry white people" hearing of Obama being with "blacks who were terrorists in the 70s" will help their recruiting.
Bearded and Sarah, IMO you are two of the more informed and level-headed posters on HA, but please... some basic research will reveal that Obama was NOT endorsed by the KKK.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kkk.asp
http://www.tampabay.com/features/hum...icle822701.ece
I don't deny that there is one of those stupid chain emails going around, but don't be mislead here- snopes is dropping the ball on this one.
The Klan, and other groups- really are using this election to help with recruiting. Don't believe me? Here's an article from Time magazine talking about the issue from Sept. 26: BTW the emphasis in bold is added by me, not TIME magazine.
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The Klan will, however, have pamphlets and membership applications on hand for any audience members who happen to share the Klansmen's views. Some examples of those views: Obama's election "could be the destruction of America," says Greene, who states categorically that he would not vote for a black candidate. Says the Emperor of the Mississippi White Knights (the group's ritual leader), who asked not to be identified: "Locally, every place that has come under black rule has declined, and has declined sharply." He cited Jackson, Miss., and Washington, D.C., as examples. "Not all black people are particularly bad people," the emperor adds. But leadership, he asserts, "is just not in their character ... it's just not in their ability." The Obama campaign did not return requests for comment.
The quote is talking about the Klan's presence at a University that was to hear McCain speak.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...xid=rss-nation
EDIT/ADD- like I said, they see and know there will be a benefit here whether Obama wins or loses. Snopes may very well be right in that there has been no formal endorsement, but many of these groups are so tiny, fractured and independent that even if they did make an endorsement- we'd never know it. I don't buy that anyone was voting for Obama in the primaries out of some weird, perverted hate group party line of "anything being better than Hillary" but nonetheless there IS strong evidence that these groups are taking action to get support from those disenchanted by Obama or his alleged associates.
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Originally Posted by braveman
So what? All sorts of organizations are using this election to raise money and increase membership, it happens every four years. Yea, an Obama win may bolster membership by maybe 1000 or 2000 people, in the more than dozen or so different Klan groups around the country.... this is a nation of 300 million people. In other words, the Klan, Aryan Nations, and most other racist outfits are on the fringe and are destined to remain there.
I agree that they're on the fringe, but that doesn't mean they'll stay there absolutely.
Hate groups have been growing in certain European countries, and in the case of antisemitism, crime is actually increasing in countries like Russia, France, etc... not decreasing. Just because hate is going out of style in the here and now of America, does not mean that change is to last (although I hope it does).
However I agree it is unlikely that these groups will suddenly swell in size or power anytime on the visible horizon, so we pretty much agree there.
But the danger is more than just group membership statistics, and will be cold comfort for the victim of anyone who gets individually "inspired" who then goes out and murders someone based on hate doctrines. The group of teenage boys that beat a Hispanic to death in northern PA had no hate group affiliations, and their actions if going by the statistics, show a violence on the scale that exceeds that of some of these small klan chapters (many of which are insignificantly small and have not, in recent years, murdered anyone).
You didn't see Hispanics being suspected of being illegal and promptly getting beaten to death by high school students before the Republicans started going off about the "illegal alien problem" in the national political realm- I personally see a link here, not a cause and effect relationship, but more like a minor attributing/influencing factor- and this is what I fear the Obama backlash may lead to, even if it is rare isolated incidents, in the future.
Note I am not saying this means that Obama shouldn't have run for president. Perceived change always causes a backlash of -some- kind, but at the same time it would be false to assume that these groups will not benefit from this election process, especially when you have networks like Faux news trying to convince the masses that Obama is bed fellows with black terrorists of the 1970s (hmm, didn't that network also LIE and say that Obama was educated in his early childhood in a radical islamic religious school?).
The sad irony of the whole thing is that McCain lost the 2000 primaries largely because of racism on the part of the neo-cons.
Re: White folks who try it(another rant of mine)
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Originally Posted by Solitary Brother
Have any of you gotten negative feedback/hateration(Sexy Jade term credit noted) from white people you work with or come in contact with about Obama?
What I mean is comments about him being killed?
Im sensing some bitterness out there by SOME(not all thank god) tired ass white folk and they are really starting to try it.
I KEEP getting comments and a tone that makes me think these people want him to get killed.
Whats fucked up is I cant say anything at work back because it could be deemed making a threat and I would be fired.
Im not the most liberal black guy in the world I am a former republican turned independent but some of these comments i keep getting and all this media HATERATION on Obama is sickening.
As a black american I am VERY proud of Barrack Obama but more than that all RACES AND CREEDS should embrace this man because his is not an idiot like the guy in there now!
Im just wondering how you all feel about this.
Why should I embrace him, he isn't proposing anything new, its all the same old far left polices that liberals have been talking about for decades (ya sure he adds a few twists), some of them have already been implemented and failed. He has done everything in this campaign that other politicians before him have done. There is nothing really unique or special about him, other than he might be the first black president. I don't like him and it has nothing to do with him being black, its the terrible policies he wants to implement.
I have to say now that Obama and McCain are moving closer and closer to being the same candidate I are starting to think it would be better if Obama wins so we can put this racism bullshit to rest. I don't deny it still exists in America, but its being way overblown in this election. How many of these racist whites would have been voting for a white Democrat? I thought all racists were Republicans? How many more blacks are going to vote this year because of Obama, that wouldn't have voted at all for white candidate?
Of course Obama would be better than Bush, you could probably pull a random person off the street and they wouldn't fuck up as bad as Bush has done. Why do liberals hate Bush so much, he is the most socialist president we have had since FDR. Bush will go down as one of the top 10 worst presidents ever, I would say even a President Palin would be hard to outdo Bush.
I think Obama will win and end up being the black Jimmy Carter.
White folks who try it(another rant of mine)
Re: White folks who try it(another rant of mine)
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Originally Posted by PapaGrande
Why should I embrace him, he isn't proposing anything new, its all the same old far left polices that liberals have been talking about for decades (ya sure he adds a few twists), some of them have already been implemented and failed. He has done everything in this campaign that other politicians before him have done. There is nothing really unique or special about him, other than he might be the first black president. I don't like him and it has nothing to do with him being black, its the terrible policies he wants to implement.
Generally I agree with your assessment, I don't particularly see an advantage to much of what Obama's had to say... or Hillary for that matter.
But I do think that, this time around, it is the better of the two evils (another topic entirely).
I don't think this thread is about people who have a disagreement with an "Obama presidency" on true political ideological grounds. There are, without any doubt, some who are wanting to see Obama dead just because he is black. I also feel there are many, perhaps more than we realize, who won't vote for him strictly because he is black, or because his dad is islamic, or because his name rhymes with Osama.
The racism in America has not left to the point where it is a nonissue in every state, there were states, particularly in the bible belt- that turned on McCain in the 2000 primaries when the swift boat groups (then under different names) ran around phoning people to imply he had an interracial child. In the wake, republicans in these states ended up voting for Bush the clown everyone thought couldn't win, not the war hero with a nonwhite adopted child.
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I don't deny it still exists in America, but its being way overblown in this election.
But is it? Only election day can truly tell us that answer, it will be interesting to see what people say going in & out of the polling locations. It certainly is the, as I believe AP put it, "big elephant in the room"- we have evidence in recent elections to show that race plays a huge issue, especially in certain states.
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How many of these racist whites would have been voting for a white Democrat?
There certainly are people who would use race as a litmus test in either political party... however there is evidence in the forms of studies that republicans and democrats DO tend to have different conceived notions of racial stereotypes. Not only does direct "i won't ever vote for a black" play a role of some kind, but so does the person who has all these bad misconceptions in their mind about other races.
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I think Obama will win and end up being the black Jimmy Carter.
Agreed, I think no matter what Obama will be a one term presidency if he wins, and I don't see it going any better than the Carter years- we already have the energy & economic worries...
